Windows 10 upgrades to happen automatically

[Jade]

Just like how Google collects cookies to help with advertising. Or how local events would market off of a previous year's statistics. That's like going to a fair and being upset that they kept track of how many people bought a hotdog. "No, I don't want them knowing I bought a hotdog so they know if they sell enough to keep selling them next year." Dull example, I know. But it's what microsoft is doing. They aren't browsing your personal files for information on you as a consumer. They are collecting statistics to better enhance their products. So let's say one statistic is to see how many people use the old control panel vs modern. They could use that along with the click and keyboard statics to see which feature users use the most in order to streamline them and make them more efficient.

Doesn't matter. I should be able to opt out of something on a personal device. I should not be forced to update when the OS itself thinks is a good time for me, have information about me sent to Microsoft when I've explicitly opted out through everything available the control panel. Disconnect/uBlock Origin/"Do Not Track" (part of all decent browsers as an option) is plenty enough to have Google stop tracking you outside of using a Google Account on their services.

[SmittyShmee]

And that's why I didn't switch and don't plan to assuming dx12 doesn't impact many games I care about or if vulcan takes charge, as that is windows 10's only selling point, holding an exclusive version of directX hostage.

 

I'd say I'm kinda in the same boat. I like windows 7 a lot...but they're treating Windows 10 like the Xbox One

 

Win10 exclusives:

• XBone Controllers
• DX12
• XBone streaming to a PC (still don't know why you'd want too)

Thats all I can think about now, but soon that list will grow... because MS will pay companies to stop supporting 7 and 8... because they already do on the Xbox and it unfortunately works.

[christianled59]

Doesn't matter. I should be able to opt out of something on a personal device. I should not be forced to update when the OS itself thinks is a good time for me, have information about me sent to Microsoft when I've explicitly opted out through everything available the control panel. Disconnect/uBlock Origin is plenty enough to have Google stop tracking you outside of using a Google Account on their services.

Do you opt out of those services? If you truely cared about those "private" statistics, then you would. I agree you should be able to opt out of microsofts services, but most people here are doing it to spite microsoft. They don't care about privacy, but they say they do because it's the "cool" thing to do.

[SmittyShmee]

Old news. It was a bug and is now fixed.

 

If you read the article I linked you'd see its not. You'd also see its by the same guy, and written two weeks after your article.

What happened was a "Test" to see if it would work... it did. My article goes on to say in early 2016 its going to happen again.

[Bensemus]

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Google tracks me when I decide to use their services, which are hosted on their servers, using their internet connection. Microsoft is tracking me no matter what I'm using as I can't really opt out of using an OS. Besides YouTube I can use other things to avoid Google for the most part.

[Bensemus]

Do you opt out of those services? If you truely cared about those "private" statistics, then you would. I agree you should be able to opt out of microsofts services, but most people here are doing it to spite microsoft. They don't care about privacy, but they say they do because it's the "cool" thing to do.

Now your just forcing your own views on people who don't want to be tracked by their OS.

[christianled59]

Google tracks me when I decide to use their services, which are hosted on their servers, using their internet connection. Microsoft is tracking me no matter what I'm using as I can't really opt out of using an OS. Besides YouTube I can use other things to avoid Google for the most part.

Sure you can. Use Linux if virtually unreadable and useless statistics are a problem.

[Delicieuxz]

People need to stop with the privacy bullshit. No, microsoft doesn't care that you watch midget amputee donkey porn. Get over yourself.

No, the people with a sense of self-respect need to lay on with the privacy issues until they are no longer issues. I don't care that you watch giraffe porn. Does that mean I get free reign to enter your house and go through your belongings?

[Jade]

Do you opt out of those services? I agree you should be able to opt out of microsofts services, but most people here are doing it to spite microsoft. They don't care about privacy, but they say they do because it's the "cool" thing to do.

I do opt out, yes. I've gone to pretty great lengths with available tools to block the tracking. Doesn't mean I should have to. I should be able to opt out using relatively simple processes; Disconnect/uBlock/Do Not Track are all just a matter of going into settings and installing an extension from a readily available repo, and work great in out-of-the-box configs. Opting out of 10's stuff? A handful of Powershell commands to remove the built-in apps, three different programs to block Telemetry & co, going through Control Panel and disabling all the tracking related stuff, and hoping to god they don't change domains/subdomains for reporting said stats through Windows Update--or disabling updates entirely. Not exactly the easiest of things.

[christianled59]

Now your just forcing your own views on people who don't want to be tracked by their OS.

I didn't force anything on him. I'm simply applying my logic here. I'm trying to pick his brain to understand the mentality behind it. I understand the rebellious nature and the defense of rights, I just want to know what about this specific thing makes it worse than being "spied" on by other services. Hostility isn't my intention.

[Delicieuxz]

Old news. It was a bug and is now fixed.

How does such a thing happen by bug? It still means that they set up a system to override users' update settings. Now why would they have done that?

 

Well, on my PC, the choice to not automatically download and install all updates was changed to automatically download and install updates, and the new Windows 7 telemetry updates were forcibly installed onto my PC. I switched my update settings back to not automatically download and install all updates, and I manually removed the updates which MS had installed onto my PC.

 

Like their OS or not, MS is a sh!tbag company that operates in disservice to its customers.

[techswede]

I really don't want to upgrade.. I like 8.1.. and I'm 99.999% sure that something in my system wont like msx

[christianled59]

I do opt out, yes. I've gone to pretty great lengths with available tools to block the tracking. Doesn't mean I should have to. I should be able to opt out using relatively simple processes; Disconnect/uBlock/Do Not Track are all just a matter of going into settings and installing an extension from a readily available repo, and work great in out-of-the-box configs. Opting out of 10's stuff? A handful of Powershell commands to remove the built-in apps, three different programs to block Telemetry & co, going through Control Panel and disabling all the tracking related stuff, and hoping to god they don't change domains/subdomains for reporting said stats through Windows Update--or disabling updates entirely. Not exactly the easiest of things.

Well said. As I mentioned, it shouldn't be forced. I'm merely wondering where the line is for some people. For myself, I'd consider them collected data on any of my personal files to be crossing the line. Even if it was just how much storage my photos take up. Although for most people it seems much less personal statistics are the line.

[christianled59]

No, the people with a sense of self-respect need to lay on with the privacy issues until they are no longer issues. I don't care that you watch giraffe porn. Does that mean I get free reign to enter your house and go through your belongings?

But, that's not what they are doing. It's like analyzing sales statistics. They don't go thiugh your belongings. You don't "own" the number for how many times you pressed the spacebar on your keyboard.

[SmittyShmee]

 

 

 

I just wanted to say thanks for justifying this thread with your guys' debate

[Jade]

Well said. As I mentioned, it shouldn't be forced. I'm merely wondering where the line is for some people. For myself, I'd consider them collected data on any of my personal files to be crossing the line. Even if it was just how much storage my photos take up. Although for most people it seems much less personal statistics are the line.

I figure at least some statistics are collected, since the OS tries to guess when a good time to reboot for updates is. But trust me, if gaming wasn't basically "Windows or rekt", I wouldn't run Windows. Linux is great, but the drivers support is frankly... awful. A 'joke' I've seen around puts it well:

Q. What do you say to the Linux user?

A. Nothing, their audio drivers don't work.

 

 

I just wanted to say thanks for justifying this thread with your guys' debate 

Can't tell if sarcasm.... also, I run Windows 10.

[Delicieuxz]

But, that's not what they are doing. It's like analyzing sales statistics. They don't go thiugh your belongings. You don't "own" the number for how many times you pressed the spacebar on your keyboard.

I do, though, as a personal expression, and as personal work. And they do go through people's belongings when they read contents of emails and documents any time that they pass through Microsoft servers. It's not for you, or Microsoft, or anyone else to decide whether I own my actions, my PC activity, and my created content.

 

If your argument were the case, then MS doesn't own the data they collect, and I, and MS competitors should have full access to it.

[Jade]

I do, though, as a personal expression, and as personal work. And they do go through people's belongings when they read contents of emails and documents any time that they pass through Microsoft servers. It's not for you, or Microsoft, or anyone else to decide whether I own my actions, my PC activity, and my created content.

 

If your argument were the case, then MS doesn't own the data they collect, and I, and MS competitors should have full access to it.

To be fair; so does Google if you use Gmail. At some point in time, the email exists unencrypted in Google's servers for them to scan it for viruses, spam, etc.

[DevilishBooster]

Mainly those who used upgrade instead of clean install. Which, last I checked, has been an issue for most OSs. But otherwise, I agree.

So are you saying the people that have issues are the ones who only do the upgrade? Or do the issues come from doing the clean install? I'm looking at upgrading to Win10 this weekend, but if there's going to be tons of problems then I'm not sure about it....

[SmittyShmee]

Can't tell if sarcasm.... also, I run Windows 10.

 

No I'm being serious, I'm glad there is a good discussion going on. Carry on!

[christianled59]

I figure at least some statistics are collected, since the OS tries to guess when a good time to reboot for updates is. But trust me, if gaming wasn't basically "Windows or rekt", I wouldn't run Windows. Linux is great, but the drivers support is frankly... awful. A 'joke' I've seen around puts it well:

Q. What do you say to the Linux user?

A. Nothing, their audio drivers don't work.

 

 

Oh believe me, I would as well. I use a ton of tools to mod my desktop on windows. It would be nice to have more customization but Linux is terrible with games. As well as game development (for me at least).

Can't tell if sarcasm.... also, I run Windows 10.

Yeah I wasn't sure if sarcasm either.

[christianled59]

I do, though, as a personal expression, and as personal work. And they do go through people's belongings when they read contents of emails and documents any time that they pass through Microsoft servers. It's not for you, or Microsoft, or anyone else to decide whether I own my actions, my PC activity, and my created content.

If your argument were the case, then MS doesn't own the data they collect, and I, and MS competitors should have full access to it.

They don't read them. Also, I'm like 99.99% sure they do NOTHING with emails outside their own service (that would be very illegal). And emails though their own services aren't read by them. If anything they just look at how many you sent.

[jagdtigger]

 

I figure at least some statistics are collected, since the OS tries to guess when a good time to reboot for updates is. But trust me, if gaming wasn't basically "Windows or rekt", I wouldn't run Windows. Linux is great, but the drivers support is frankly... awful. A 'joke' I've seen around puts it well:

Q. What do you say to the Linux user?

A. Nothing, their audio drivers don't work.

 

I have to disagree with you on that. I installed many linux distro on many PC and none of them had driver problems...

[raphidy]

But, that's not what they are doing. It's like analyzing sales statistics. They don't go thiugh your belongings. You don't "own" the number for how many times you pressed the spacebar on your keyboard.

Would you like you house to be full of video cameras and monitoring you? I think that the way to interpret data collecting from their perspective.

 

 

And the question is, the data that they collect, is that really yours? I mean if they know that I go to youtube everyday, is that data my own or public statistic?

[christianled59]

So are you saying the people that have issues are the ones who only do the upgrade? Or do the issues come from doing the clean install? I'm looking at upgrading to Win10 this weekend, but if there's going to be tons of problems then I'm not sure about it....

I used the upgrade feature and had no problems. Although a few people have had problems. Clean install is always best with every OS.