New Windows 7/8/8.1 updates spy on you just like Windows 10

[NeatSquidYT]

Oh I'm sorry I interpreted "I really don't care about the whole spying thing" as you saying that you didn't care about the whole spying thing. How silly of me.

By spying, I don't mean hacking into webcams and watching people take a shit. You're taking things out of context. Microsoft with these new updates won't go "lol watch this guy jacking off to some Asuna hentai lelelelelelelel". By spying I meant the level that Microsoft is doing it to, I mean, it's as if I'm actually commenting on the original post like I'm on a forum, how silly of me.

[CommandMan7]

*Immediately scrolls to Trik'Stari comment to see what he says*

[TheRisingMyth]

Either take it or are completely oblivious. We're only a miniscule percentage of the internet's user base; the overwhelming majority have no idea what 'internet privacy' means. They can't get information from everyday news outlets because most are owned by huge corporations and politicians who profit from collecting and selling personal data and have no urge to go out of their way to research what's happening because it doesn't impact their everyday lives in any way.

 

Even though Internet Privacy is a big thing for me, the more i invest my energy in it, the more i understand there's much better things i can do for the world with that wasted time.

 

The quest for privacy is vain and won't result in anything tangible just for the simple fact people benefit more than they lose by using it and honestly... you fucking agreed to the EULA, so the solution is to format your Windows partition really.

[2FA]

I think half of you have forgotten that you don't own your copy of Windows, you only license it. If you don't want a big company doing what it wants with it's own product, go run Linux; problem solved.

[Shakaza]

I'm surprised at how many people liked this post. Your logic is immensely flawed throughout the whole post.

Oooh, look at you acting all high and mighty. How about you describe what is flawed about it, 'cuz it seems fine to me. Teach us, oh grand master of logic.

[FatalityDiablo]

XP! I'm coming home!!

[TheRisingMyth]

Oooh, look at you acting all high and mighty. How about you describe what is flawed about it, 'cuz it seems fine to me. Teach us, oh grand master of logic.

 

Hate isn't constructive.

 

Quotables and proverbs in arguments are stupid and miss completely the context of the debate.

 

The NTH NTF argument is figurative at most. Of course we have dicks and genitals to hide, but that's not inclusive of the essence of what we hide. It's inherent and almost instinctive.

 

Extreme analogy.

 

Information collection doesn't impact OS enjoyment. It's the user sentiment that does.

 

You're welcome.

[Shakaza]

Hate isn't constructive.

 

Quotables and proverbs in arguments are stupid and miss completely the context of the debate.

 

The NTH NTF argument is figurative at most. Of course we have dicks and genitals to hide, but that's not inclusive of the essence of what we hide. It's inherent and almost instinctive.

 

Extreme analogy.

 

Information collection doesn't impact OS enjoyment. It's the user sentiment that does.

 

You're welcome.

Meh, it's debatable whether I'd consider it hate.

 

Also meh, his quote seems relevant and contextual to me.

 

I'd agree with your third point.

 

I wouldn't consider the analogy extreme considering what he was replying to.

 

I think he was probably saying that people like him who value privacy have their enjoyment adversely affected by this change. He's not saying that it isn't subjective.

 

See, was that really so hard? I really hate it when people say "Oh, look how bad that post is." without even explaining what problems they have with it. To me, it's like they're saying, "This post is so bad and flawed, but I'm too godly to take the time to explain why." And now the argument can resume in earnest, presumably between you and him. I really don't know a lot about this whole spying thing, so I'll quietly take my leave...

[Murdoch]

Tell me more about how Microsoft cares about what porn you watch. Guess what, they don't. They collect information for diagnostics/telemetry and information that is directly needed to provide a service such as Cortana features.

 

You honestly think they're just harvesting data because they care about what you're up to? You're not that special. None of us are.

 

I'd be inclined to agree that's all it's being used for. But I'd be curious if anybody could point me to the reasons why as a home or pro user, I can't turn telemetry off.

 

Is there some truth to the argument that Home and Pro users, are essentially "beta testers" for Windows 10?

[patrick3027]

Soon you'll have to run Linux to use torrents ...

 

http://www.irishexaminer.com/technow/tech/windows-10-users-are-being-banned-from-torrent-sites-349932.html

[TheRisingMyth]

Meh, it's debatable whether I'd consider it hate.

 

Also meh, his quote seems relevant and contextual to me.

 

I'd agree with your third point.

 

I wouldn't consider the analogy extreme considering what he was replying to.

 

I think he was probably saying that people like him who value privacy have their enjoyment adversely affected by this change. He's not saying that it isn't subjective.

 

See, was that really so hard? I really hate it when people say "Oh, look how bad that post is." without even explaining what problems they have with it. To me, it's like they're saying, "This post is so bad and flawed, but I'm too godly to take the time to explain why." And now the argument can resume in earnest, presumably between you and him. I really don't know a lot about this whole spying thing, so I'll quietly take my leave...

 

 

I'm not too godly to take the time to explain. Look when i created my account, and see my post count. The forum isn't just my life, and i'd like to have the liberty to express my disagreement without having to elaborate on it.

 

There are far more intelligent posts on this thread that didn't get much praise, it's just the way i feel and i'm entitled to my own opinion. No one is required to comply.

 

Edit : To put it more bluntly, i'm more of the "post-and-go" type of guy. My apologies if my response felt in anyway half-assed.

[deviant88]

Windows 10: When the product is free, you are the product.

 

Windows 7/8: When the product isn't free, fuck it we'll still make you the product.

 

Microsoft 2015

Windows 10 isnt free, if you never owned windows you still have to pay the same price like before.

Its their policy that changed that people dont understand, not the windows fault.

Their policy now is it track everything you do bla bla, i wonder if someone with balls that uses win7/8 can sue microsoft and win since they changed their policy and applied it to win7/8 aswell with new spyware updates but when you install win7/8 you dont agree to such a policy its the old ones.

So why are they sending such updates to services like win7/8 that have a different policy to begin with, beats me.Or i missed something and they reserve the right to change their policies how they want when they want without your consent, but i think the law says they must make you re-agree/re-read such policy when it changes, and i havent seen any in win7/8 that says i have to agree to new policies or they disable my windows.

Or better when they issue such updates they should update the windows policy aswell and make the user read and agree with it again if they want any further updates.

[Accursed Entity]

I don't know about some users here but I have Windows 10 to notify me before even downloading an update. 

 

[Shakaza]

I'm not too godly to take the time to explain. Look when i created my account, and see my post count. The forum isn't just my life, and i'd like to have the liberty to express my disagreement without having to elaborate on it.

 

There are far more intelligent posts on this thread that didn't get much praise, it's just the way i feel and i'm entitled to my own opinion. No one is required to comply.

 

Edit : To put it more bluntly, i'm more of the "post-and-go" type of guy. My apologies if my response felt in anyway half-assed.

Sorry, I've experienced a lot of people like that in the past, so I apologize that I automatically assume the worst. There's no need to apologize to me, since I'm the one at fault here. 

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

The funny part is you all get worked up about "spying", while using the internet and Android phones.

 

The NSA is literally tapping the internet fiber lines. It doesn't matter what OS or software you use.

 

Don't want your information collected? Don't use the internet. Period.

 

No amount of FOSS will protect you.

 

By the way, these updates appear to just be for diagnostics/telemetry data so that's no big deal really. I love how overly dramatic people are that diagnostics and telemetry is now "spying".

 

Bring on the hate.

Firstly not everyone uses off-the-shelf android phones.  The majority does, but then again the majority is just plain dumb when it comes to these things. 

An Android phone using an AOSP rom without the gapps (Google Apps) package is clean, the AOSP source code is visible to everyone.  Android only becomes a data mining tool once you install the Google Apps.

 

The NSA may be tapping the fiber lines, but if you know what you're doing they can't trace everything back to you.  You can still make it very difficult for them, and if everyone would do just that, they wouldn't have the resources to check up on every person who is protecting his privacy.  They'd give up on checking everyone and start to focus on the ones that actually matter.

 

The diagnostics and telemetry may very well be just that, but when they mention sharing it with trusted partners, it means that there IS a unique ID involved, which means there is tracking and hence a chance that all the info gets linked to your person.  As soon as they have enough dots, connecting them is pretty easy.  I'd rather not take that chance.

And before you bring up how much info Google or Facebook has, if they have info on you, that's entirely your own fault.  Don't use any of their services and occasionally open Google's search engine in a private window or a VM to search for the most random things that you're not interested in at all.  That way they'll never be able to build a proper profile on you. 

 

You honestly think they're just harvesting data because they care about what you're up to? You're not that special. None of us are.

What makes you think none of us are?

Some of us do have valid reasons to be concerned about our privacy, either because of our background (important family, employer etc), criminal history, known activism or just because we said so many flagged words in forum discussions like this one that our profile racked up enough points to get the wrong kind of attention.

[zacRupnow]

I kinda agree with you. I don't like the fact that the spying does exist but honestly you can't really escape it, it's inevitable in this day and age.

Inb4 Linux users attack... Not inb4 Government workers using secure Ubiquty software use your words to justify spyware.

[LAwLz]

Tell me more about how Microsoft cares about what porn you watch. Guess what, they don't. They collect information for diagnostics/telemetry and information that is directly needed to provide a service such as Cortana features.

 

You honestly think they're just harvesting data because they care about what you're up to? You're not that special. None of us are.

Yeah sure... That's why they still collect a bunch of data even when I turn all of those features off. I am sure my computer calls home to Microsoft as soon as I start typing in the search box because they want to provide me with services... which are turned off.

 

 

I'm surprised at how many people liked this post. Your logic is immensely flawed throughout the whole post.

Feel free to point out where my logic falters. Just saying that it's flawed without explaining yourself does not add anything valuable to the conversation.

 

 

I don't know about some users here but I have Windows 10 to notify me before even downloading an update. 

Yes it will notify you before installing, but if you ignore it Windows will just install it anyway. This thread is not about forced updates in Windows though. It's about updates to Windows 7 and 8.

[Leonard]

Tell that to the Ashley Madison members whom thought their information was secure.  :lol:

[LAwLz]

Everyone don't care about privacy as long as "it doesn't go too far". The thing is that everyone has different opinions of what "too far" is.

The last part of your post is just stupid though.

First you insult people who are fighting for your rights and protection, and then you go "they will hate me". Of course they will hate you if you call them stupid names first. Don't get surprised if you get hated if you throw the first rock.

Hate isn't constructive.

I don't see how I was hating on him. I was giving him advice on how to not be hated. I just told him to not insult people the first thing he does if he don't want to get hate comments directed at him.

 

 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Quotables and proverbs in arguments are stupid and miss completely the context of the debate.

I think the quote was very applicable to the debate. You seem to have missed the point of the quote.

The meaning of the quote is that you should not ignore things you think are bad.

 

 

That's a stupid argument and you know it. If you got nothing to hide then give me all your passwords right now.

The NTH NTF argument is figurative at most. Of course we have dicks and genitals to hide, but that's not inclusive of the essence of what we hide. It's inherent and almost instinctive.

You would be surprised at how many people use it literally. Not sure what you mean with it not being "inclusive of the essence of what we hide".

The people who use it when trying to push for incredibly privacy intrusive projects such as MAINWAY also use it literally. Saying that the phrase is just figurative and should therefore not be taken seriously does not really work when people use it in a literal sense and actually believe that it is a strong argument for why we should abolish the though of having any kind of privacy.

 

 

Just because one company does something bad doesn't mean everyone else should be free to do that bad thing too.

A lot of clothing companies have children working for them in sweat shops. That doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to all but the biggest company who does it.

Extreme analogy.

So what if it is extreme? The child workers were not meant to be a direct comparison. They were just used as an example to highlight how "let's ignore small things because there are bigger issues out there" is a very bad way of thinking.

You should not give one company a free pass to do something bad just because another company does it as well but on a larger scale.

 

 

So you think it is good that Microsoft are making their older products worse? Why? Why do you want people to enjoy Windows 10 but you don't want them to enjoy Windows 7?

This won't make people enjoy Windows 10 more. It will just make people enjoy Windows 7, and Microsoft in general, less.

Information collection doesn't impact OS enjoyment. It's the user sentiment that does.

Oh come on...

That's shifting the blame to the user. It's like saying getting a fly in your soup doesn't impact the experience, it's the person's distaste for flies that impacts it.

 

But you are also missing the point. The person I was responding to assumes that people who dislike the privacy policies in Windows 10 will now all of a sudden be okay with them. They won't.

In their eyes the update makes Windows 7 worse. He is saying that it is good that Microsoft makes Windows 7 worse in the eyes of some people because that will somehow lead to people liking Windows 10 more. It would only be seen as better in comparison, not by Window 10's own merits, and that's very very bad. You should never try to raise the merits of 1 product by making a competing product worse. I am not saying that that's what Microsoft are doing, but the person I responded to implied that that's a good and acceptable strategy.

[JoshB2084]

Good, KB3075249 and KB3080149 on my W7 optional updates list..

 

[Dabombinable]

I am disappointed in you.

(let it burn)

 

And I'm glad I don't update windows very often. Also glad that, as @LAwLz said, I have control over what gets installed on my computer

I'm just glad that I can't update my copies of Windows without something going wrong (both are OEM discs, 1 Win 7 Home and 1 Win 7 Pro). Though I always need to install service pack1-its the only update that works and its from before this BS (and before people say that Microsoft may change it, I downloaded it for both versions quite a while ago and saved it)

[Dabombinable]

Not the point, hate repeating myself please re-read: if enough people blocks em they can just buy a www.yomama.com.fuckyou domain and that's it, your "fix" is broken.

No the OS is broken by design now it suddenly is very important to have an old windows 7 or 8 ISO, install it offline and then immediately turn off all updates. Which will create some compatibility issues so really we should be just pressuring Nvidia and AMD to improve their Linux drivers.

Yes it's messy, harder to master, full of elitist assholes (like me) but it's just a better solution than this secret spying crap.

Their Linux drivers are actually quite good, though not quite at the same state as Windows drivers. I'm using version 355.06 right now under Ubuntu Gnome (no Amazon BS) and I've noticed that the already absurdly high FPS in War Thunder Windows is even higher under War Thunder Linux (also with Linux and OSX you can play it off Intel HD 4000 graphics, unlike the Windows version. Windows=bloated and buggy POS).

[Dabombinable]

I think half of you have forgotten that you don't own your copy of Windows, you only license it. If you don't want a big company doing what it wants with it's own product, go run Linux; problem solved.

The funny thing is that the pre-online Microsoft OS, which while they could use the internet didn't require it in any way, such as 95, 98SE and ME are all yours, no need for online activation at all. As long as you have the CD key they are all yours.

[Leonard]

They deserved it.

Agreed but i am talking about false promises like the one Microsoft says that we are not being spied on. 

[Accursed Entity]

Agreed but i am talking about false promises like the one Microsoft says that we are not being spied on.

Is more like marketing spying and yeah it sucks, I don't believe what any corporation says anyway, we are being spied absolutely everywhere these days.

 

They deserved it.

 

Although I don't approve what that site stands for, I don't approve private information being stolen by "hackers" either. Is not a matter of "they deserved"... what if that were another page?