According To 8chan's /tech/, Windows 10 Could Be Fairly Malicious

[Solkia]

So it's just app store shit? I have no use for the app store so I'm fine with that.

[LAwLz]

Telemetry from the greek; "tele" meaning remote and "metry" meaning measure, it is by definition data that is sent to a remote place for measurement.  You cannot have local telemetry data, the fact they call it telemetry data indicates by it's name that it is data being sent back to MS.  Again this means they are not hiding anything.

Obviously you can't have local telemetry, but you can have an option to turn telemetry off.

[Dobbsjr]

As long as my Visual Studio still works in w10, if any of these are true, it's straight into the IDE to make a program to obliterate them specifically the av not turning off permanently & p2p updates

Please share the program and the source code with us if you succeed in developing.

[Astralify]

A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10

Interesting. I would love for someone to check if this analysis is right. Apparently some people are having trouble believing it because of the source. (like the situation with this very thread)

[Trik'Stari]

A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10

Interesting. I would love for someone to check if this analysis is right. Apparently some people are having trouble believing it because of the source. (like the situation with this very thread)

For some reason, they're also ignoring a similar result from ars technica's analysis.

 

Not to mention giving every single cop-out/excuse excuse in the book. "I have nothing to hide", "other companies do it too", etc.

[Astralify]

For some reason, they're also ignoring a similar result from ars technica's analysis.

 

Not to mention giving every single cop-out/excuse excuse in the book. "I have nothing to hide", "other companies do it too", etc.

Yep. And that "I have nothing to hide" and "they are not hiding anything, (so it's ok)" mentality is why we are loosing more and more of our rights with each passing day.

[Nowak]

Okay, so Ars Technica showed that Windows 10's Start menu is still pinging Microsoft to check for live tile updates or for OneDrive updates even if there are no live tiles or you don't use OneDrive.

 

To me, that doesn't seem like intended behavior. I'll be honest with you guys, Windows 10 was rushed. The July 29th release date was way too optimistic for the state of the product and the Windows Insider program. The RTM build is full of bugs and missing features (like I'm pretty sure they intended for greater privacy controls, and definitely not for the Start menu to ping them for tile updates even if there are no tiles on the menu) and because of it, I've been urging people to wait until the October update before upgrading. It certainly is a more complete product than it was during most of the Insider preview, and it certainly is usable, but it definitely still has a bit of a WIP feel to it.

 

And I'm saying this as someone who beta tested Windows 10 from the first insider build to RTM. As much as I like the product, I at the same time don't because of how incomplete it is. If you decide to upgrade after all, just wait until October (or later.) Your patience will reward you.

[Trik'Stari]

Yep. And that "I have nothing to hide" and "they are not hiding anything, (so it's ok)" mentality is why we are loosing more and more of our rights with each passing day.

It's not just that, it's blind skepticism in the face of evidence. Granted, it's only one trustworthy source, ars technica, unless someone can give evidence either disproving their results, or sufficient evidence that they aren't trust worthy.

 

Okay, so Ars Technica showed that Windows 10's Start menu is still pinging Microsoft to check for live tile updates or for OneDrive updates even if there are no live tiles or you don't use OneDrive.

 

To me, that doesn't seem like intended behavior. I'll be honest with you guys, Windows 10 was rushed. The July 29th release date was way too optimistic for the state of the product and the Windows Insider program. The RTM build is full of bugs and missing features (like I'm pretty sure they intended for greater privacy controls, and definitely not for the Start menu to ping them for tile updates even if there are no tiles on the menu) and because of it, I've been urging people to wait until the October update before upgrading. It certainly is a more complete product than it was during most of the Insider preview, and it certainly is usable, but it definitely still has a bit of a WIP feel to it.

 

And I'm saying this as someone who beta tested Windows 10 from the first insider build to RTM. As much as I like the product, I at the same time don't because of how incomplete it is. If you decide to upgrade after all, just wait until October (or later.) Your patience will reward you.

I completely agree that waiting to see what happens is the absolute best option.

 

 

Also granted that we don't know what is being sent, which to me is balanced out by the fact that turning the privacy settings on apparently does nothing. Something is still being sent to the "telemetry servers". The best evidence would be for someone to record a normal weeks worth of traffic (privacy settings turned off) to these same servers, alongside the same weeks worth of traffic being sent with the privacy settings turned on.

 

I say a weeks worth, with pre-planned activities. For instance, checking email, some google searches, bing searches, maybe some financial transactions, etc. The same activities each time. IF the data goes up with privacy settings turned off, then there is credence that only "meta data" is being sent, if the volume of data is the same, we can arguably state that the privacy settings do absolutely nothing, and that windows 10 is a giant piece of lying malware. (lying because when you turn the privacy settings "on", it generates error messages. Which, if the amount of data being sent in both on and off settings is the same, means they programmed the OS to lie to anyone using it. At least in my book).

[burnttoastnice]

Also granted that we don't know what is being sent, which to me is balanced out by the fact that turning the privacy settings on apparently does nothing. Something is still being sent to the "telemetry servers". The best evidence would be for someone to record a normal weeks worth of traffic (privacy settings turned off) to these same servers, alongside the same weeks worth of traffic being sent with the privacy settings turned on.

 

I say a weeks worth, with pre-planned activities. For instance, checking email, some google searches, bing searches, maybe some financial transactions, etc. The same activities each time. IF the data goes up with privacy settings turned off, then there is credence that only "meta data" is being sent, if the volume of data is the same, we can arguably state that the privacy settings do absolutely nothing, and that windows 10 is a giant piece of lying malware.

 

This. Since I've made a DNS monitoring program, I'll see if I can set my computer offline for a day and try to forward the microsoft requests to my webserver. Most likely it won't complete the handshake if they have implemented SSL properly, but I'm interested in seeing how often exactly they are updating this data on us.

 

Does anyone know if setting an access point as metered will disable this telemetry/datalogging bullcrap once and for all?

[Astralify]

I remember microsoft saying that the heavy tracking/spying/keylogging would NOT be present on the retail complete release of the OS. It was necessary  in order for them to improve and fix bugs during the insider program (that's was the reason why I didn't participate. Keyloggers and spying = not OK with me). And it is something that all testers were aware of. Which of course makes sense and they stated they were doing it. But why is it part of the official release? I mean is it still in beta or what? Something is very unclear here...

[burnttoastnice]

Here is the Ars article, if nobody has linked it yet http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/

[KingKeith55]

wait what's 8chan

 

I only know of 4chan

[Solkia]

wait what's 8chan

 

I only know of 4chan

 

A forum no one knew about till gamergaters on /v/ collectively cried censorship and jumped over to it.

[Michael McAllister]

With all this talk about Windows 10 and Microsoft spying, has anyone bothered to run a comparative analysis between earlier versions of Windows and Windows 10?  I would not at all be shocked to find that telemetry data is also being collected in Windows 7 and 8.1.

[burnttoastnice]

With all this talk about Windows 10 and Microsoft spying, has anyone bothered to run a comparative analysis between earlier versions of Windows and Windows 10?  I would not at all be shocked to find that telemetry data is also being collected in Windows 7 and 8.1.

 

The data is sent with Cortana and Live Tile updates. Both are not present in Windows 7. Telemetry data as a whole however has been collected previous versions of windows, just not as much as Win10.

[Michael McAllister]

The data is sent with Cortana and Live Tile updates. Both are not present in Windows 7. Telemetry data as a whole however has been collected previous versions of windows, just not as much as Win10.

 

If previous versions have been collecting data as well, why do people love Windows 7 so much?  Shouldn't people be just as outraged over the data collected in Windows 7?

[LAwLz]

The data is sent with Cortana and Live Tile updates. Both are not present in Windows 7. Telemetry data as a whole however has been collected previous versions of windows, just not as much as Win10.

This is not true. Telemetry data was optional in Windows 7 and earlier. I don't know about Windows 8 though.

It was opt-in and you could opt-out whenever you wanted.

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

If previous versions have been collecting data as well, why do people love Windows 7 so much?  Shouldn't people be just as outraged over the data collected in Windows 7?

 

Because people don't know.  It really wasn't that bad before MS snuck telemetry in with Widows Updates earlier this year.  Lots of people believe Win7 is clean still.  Sadly it's just as bad now. 

 

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2911609/operating-systems/kb-2952664-compatibility-update-for-win7-triggers-unexpected-daily-telemetry-run-may-be-snooping.html

 

Luckily I've disabled all the relevant updates before they were able to install all that filth into my system.  And if a new one is found to be doing sneaky stuff after I've installed it, I'll just format the PC and start updating from scratch again.

 

Microsoft says the Win7 telemetry only runs when opted in to the Customer Experience Improvement Program, but apparently it's sending out data regardless of your settings. 

So either they're so incompetent they can't even make an "off" switch work or they are now truly malicious.  Even though the first one is very likely, my money is on option 2.

EDIT :

This is not true. Telemetry data was optional in Windows 7 and earlier. I don't know about Windows 8 though.

It was opt-in and you could opt-out whenever you wanted.

See the paragraph above.

[LAwLz]

EDIT :

See the paragraph above.

Well damn...

Didn't know about that update. Well... At least you have the option to disable updates in Windows 7.

 

 

For those wondering. I redid the tests Ars Technica did and found the same results on my PC, even though I can't even enable Cortana because she isn't out in Sweden yet. Every time I type something in the start menu it connects to Bing.

I don't know what data is being sent though.

[TeamTactical]

And where is this coming from? 8chan? Well then, toss all that out the window, literally everything goes out. 8chan is as reliable a source of information as 4chan or tumblr. 

 

No proof was provided, this is just another sensationalist headline and article trying to get people back onto that dying site full of child pornography, racism, and hate speech.

 

Somebody's open minded...

[Bsmith]

Somebody's open minded...

I don't blame him, these boards have a reputation for paranoia, hell 4chan's /g/(equivelant to /tech/) is even so paranoid to see chrome as a datamining program.

[LAwLz]

I don't blame him, these boards have a reputation for paranoia, hell 4chan's /g/(equivelant to /tech/) is even so paranoid to see chrome as a datamining program.

But it is. It's not paranoia if it's true.

[burnttoastnice]

I don't blame him, these boards have a reputation for paranoia, hell 4chan's /g/(equivelant to /tech/) is even so paranoid to see chrome as a datamining program.

 

Every letter you type by default goes to google. If you're logged in, well, that gets spiced up with an even tastier cloud-synced bookmarks and web history lunch for Google.

[TeamTactical]

I don't blame him, these boards have a reputation for paranoia, hell 4chan's /g/(equivelant to /tech/) is even so paranoid to see chrome as a datamining program.

Yeah, /g/ has a bit of a shitposting meme with chrome being a botnet, but then the whole of 4chan is like that. Doesn't mean occasionally you get some good posts.

[Bsmith]

Yeah, /g/ has a bit of a shitposting meme with chrome being a botnet, but then the whole of 4chan is like that. Doesn't mean occasionally you get some good posts.

 

It is true that every once in a while something good happens there(like there current deez nutz from /b/) but to use it as source isn't a good thing to do, it gives those places more attention then they need and should get, they can be still good yeah, but making something big makes it go shit, like when /b/ blew up or 9gag which went from fun to junk, reddit is currently heading the sameway with all the recent changes.