According To 8chan's /tech/, Windows 10 Could Be Fairly Malicious

[LAwLz]

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement

 

What the flying fuque?

So all that about not using the content of our emails and such was just a load of bullshit because as soon as Microsoft feels like it, they can and will access it.

[Techhog]

If you're paranoid, an amazing workaround has been found, but it's kinda crazy. Here's how to do it:

 

Step 1: Turn off the feature

Step 2: 

[mr moose]

It's not undisclosed? Then can you please tell me what data they collect? Not in vague terms but like actual "they collect X and Y and Z and A and B".

All I can find are some very vague terms that don't actually tell you what they collect and how much.

That article about Microsoft getting the source code reviewed is 12 years old, and a lot has changed since then. For example Microsoft has entered the ad business and are far more interested in personal details now. Don't assume that Microsoft are exactly the same as they were 12 years ago.

Also you didn't answer my question. Do you or do you not think that collecting an undisclosed amount of personal information without the majority of users' knowledge is bad?

Like I said before, even Microsoft themselves classifies it as malware, regardless of how much info they collect.

I do think that collecting data without a persons permission is bad, but I also don't think MS is doing that. I think that the person the OP linked is paranoid and likes to jump on conspiracy like theories. Unfortunately like some people in this forum too, there is a clear difference between collecting data that is necessary to provide the service and collecting personal data unbeknownst to the user. Nothing in the privacy policy sets out that they are collecting private data, but in fact the opposite, It stipulates that any data shared with third parties is so they can provide services to the user. That is a legal statement which they must adhere to and they must make, if they collect data and sell it then they are opening themselves up for all sorts of legal ramifications.  And don't think you are the first person to assume they are doing this,  Just about every tech security specialist on the planet has had the same thought and many have even checked data packets and looked into what information MS are collecting, just like they have for Apple, google etc. 

 

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement

 

What the flying fuque?

 

1. They have to hand over data under court order or if the data they have is in breach of current law

2. when spam emails or their virus scanners pick up malicious code in emails or user accounts are being used to spread then in order to prevent that they have to do something. (would you prefer they didn't?)

3. This just means if you try to hack into MS or another persons account your information will be used to prevent it happening again and probably handed to the authorities.

4. Is pretty clear and if you have an issue with it you must be a criminal or using your account for illegal purposes.

 

So all that about not using the content of our emails and such was just a load of bullshit because as soon as Microsoft feels like it, they can and will access it.

 

You clearly didn't read the privacy policy.   Even number 4. reiterates that they will not inspect personal data but hand it over to law enforcement for proper investigation.

And that is when they receive information pertaining to the use of said account, NOT when "they feel like it".

[Nowak]

I just love how it's completely okay for Google to do these same things, but when Microsoft does it they're literally the devil.

[burnttoastnice]

Well Pando Media Booster is only a threat to your data cap if you have one. It's distributed with League of Legends and if it was some form of threat of any kind it would have been pointed out long ago. or should just serve as more proof as to why this information is mostly being used by an 8chan user to try and be an internet hero.

 

Also Cortana, Siri, and Google Now all work the same, so again a non-issue.

 

Wifi Sense fully disable-able(new word are fun amirite)

 

And Ive heard from several people that Windows Defender can be fully turned off permanently if there is another anti-virus/malware installed. I cant confirm/deny this though.

 

That word Pando has malware and ads written all over it

[burnttoastnice]

We both know that's not going to happen anytime soon... it might never happen.

 

Not in the consumer space anyway. Exceptions being smart/portable devices which are literally all powered by Linux.

 

Steam OS - maybe if it picks up a little more popularity and LOTS more compatibility.

[Solkia]

 

4. Is pretty clear and if you have an issue with it you must be a criminal or using your account for illegal purposes.

 

Or you have anxiety and don't like feeling like you're being watched.

 

Or all the people who still download music free and don't realize it's theft.

 

Or the fact that nothing is as black and white as "if you don't like x you must be y"

[NAP51DMustang]

That word Pando has malware and ads written all over it

except its just a client to enable P2P sharing for those that don't want to have to build it themselves.

[linuxfan66]

except its just a client to enable P2P sharing for those that don't want to have to build it themselves.

And it improves patch download speed for everyone playing the game. Nothing wrong with that...

[mr moose]

Or you have anxiety and don't like feeling like you're being watched.

 

You're not being watched, it says so, ergo if you suffer anxiety from that you are paranoid.

 

 

Or all the people who still download music free and don't realize it's theft.

 

 

So you think people are smart enough to read the privacy statement before using software but not smart enough understand that downloading copyright content is illegal?  

 

Or the fact that nothing is as black and white as "if you don't like x you must be y"

 

This is an advertised policy that forms part of the product description/use agreement, When they say personal content is not viewed or logged they are legally bound to observe that. 

 

Honestly people are paranoid.  If it is that worrying don't use it.  Certainly don't use facebook, skype, Instagram or any online services that is free for that matter, Don't buy online and use paypal becasue their privacy policy is just as bad. 

[handymanshandle]

Unless Linux picks up A LOT of fucking pace for gaming and productivity in the coming 12 months.

That'd be amazing but Adobe and many devs still haven't shown any love for Linux.

 

I don't see a huge need to upgrade to Windows 10 unless a majority of games I'm interested in happen to be DX12, or if the games that were originally DX11 or earlier get updated for DX12 support. (Though there's a chance when I actually will have to choose 8.1 or 10 in 2016 that there'll be DX11 or later and new games that support DX12.)

I sort of like 8.1 but I can tolerate 10. I like the option to use the charms bar which is something 8.1 has, 10 doesn't give you the option to have the charms bar.

Also the search bar location sort of sucks.

[linuxfan66]

That'd be amazing but Adobe and many devs still haven't shown any love for Linux.

I don't see a huge need to upgrade to Windows 10 unless a majority of games I'm interested in happen to be DX12, or if the games that were originally DX11 or earlier get updated for DX12 support. (Though there's a chance when I actually will have to choose 8.1 or 10 in 2016 that there'll be DX11 or later and new games that support DX12.)

I sort of like 8.1 but I can tolerate 10. I like the option to use the charms bar which is something 8.1 has, 10 doesn't give you the option to have the charms bar.

Also the search bar location sort of sucks.

They could put charms as a thing off by default...it wouldn't have been that hard

[sgloux3470]

None of this really bothers me.

 

I'm not running a server for a corporation that needs to protect trade secrets.  I play video games and jack off to porn.  

 

 

But for something like Windows, after buying it for $100 and expecting to use it as an operating system, you would think your own computer wouldn't NATIVELY be wasting your bandwidth and NATIVELY be bugging you with ads and personal info. This can be bad especially for people with high speed internet but with low bandwidth caps as well as people who have low internet speed with no cap (like DSL) since what little bandwidth they have to begin with will get used against their will.

 

 

There are options for metered connections readily accessible that prevents it from using bandwidth if you have a limit.

 

In fact, there's a ton of options presented in Windows 10 for nearly all of the forementioned features.  

 

Personally, I'll take a more effective search, Cortana and logging in with an online account because they have a net benefit in my computing experience.  The data they collect is primarily used to improve the user experience, although obviously I'm sure the NSA can get whatever they want at any time. (Hope the NSA doesn't object to my taste in asian qt3.14's. )

 

[SpaghettiCarbonara]

Also, everything mentioned in the OP is true. Here is more "reputable article" on the matter.

 

Thank you, I'll add it to the OP.

 

The claims it makes are false. End of story.

Until you give me evidence that Windows 10 is malicious, it is false.

Clearly mentioned. You aren't using Windows 10 to know.

Never said that. I said that it is not as bad as Google, and people are fine with Google policy.

And again, you can turn off or not use these features, much like you don't have to use Google services.

I see no validations from you. All I see is a small segment of the privacy policy that you point out which has been covered by Microsoft.

 

Have another look at the OP, have a look at LAwLz' post in the spoiler tag, then come back and say that again. He did his own testing and found it to be true.

 

Now you want to talk about W10 being "malicious" or not. That wasn't mentioned in the 8chan post, that was me. Want to know why I used that word?

I sat in my chair thinking for a better word than "malicious" for a good 5-10 minutes because of how harsh of a word it is compared to what's actually going on. I couldn't think of one, so I thought "screw it, that'll do" and typed it in. Happy?

 

I do think that collecting data without a persons permission is bad, but I also don't think MS is doing that. I think that the person the OP linked is paranoid and likes to jump on conspiracy like theories.

You're not being watched, it says so, ergo if you suffer anxiety from that you are paranoid.

 

You forget easily, friend.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA

 

There were (no doubt) very good privacy policies in place at the time. What they've displayed in the last couple of years is that they have no problem breaking their own policies if it suits them. Policies don't mean shit in the large-scale corporate world.

[mr moose]

Thank you, I'll add it to the OP.

 

 

Have another look at the OP, have a look at LAwLz' post in the spoiler tag, then come back and say that again. He did his own testing and found it to be true.

 

Now you want to talk about W10 being "malicious" or not. That wasn't mentioned in the 8chan post, that was me. Want to know why I used that word?

I sat in my chair thinking for a better word than "malicious" for a good 5-10 minutes because of how harsh of a word it is compared to what's actually going on. I couldn't think of one, so I thought "screw it, that'll do" and typed it in. Happy?

 

 

You forget easily, friend.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA

 

There were (no doubt) very good privacy policies in place at the time. What they've displayed in the last couple of years is that they have no problem breaking their own policies if it suits them. Policies don't mean shit in the large-scale corporate world.

 

I haven't forgotten anything,  The government obtaining data from MS is not the same as MS snooping and using that data themselves.  They are very different things, the NSA can and probably does take data from any company that has it regardless of their privacy policy.   

[othertomperson]

I haven't forgotten anything,  The government obtaining data from MS is not the same as MS snooping and using that data themselves.  They are very different things, the NSA can and probably does take data from any company that has it regardless of their privacy policy.   

 

So Microsoft collecting more information to give is undesirable. Microsoft themselves appeared to understand this when they moved their cloud data centres outside the US, but clearly that was more PR rather than an actual commitment to privacy.

 

Given everything that we know about the NSA, that is verified public information, people are still throwing around the word "paranoid" unironically?

 

And @GoodBytes I want you to come up with a link to me saying that I have ever been fine with Google doing this. I want you to address the fallacy you keep repeating that one company doing something awful makes it OK when another company does the same.

 

I like Windows 10 on the whole. It has some pretty gaping flaws, however. Credit and criticism where due.

[mr moose]

So Microsoft collecting more information to give is undesirable. Microsoft themselves appeared to understand this when they moved their cloud data centres outside the US, but clearly that was more PR rather than an actual commitment to privacy.

 

Given everything that we know about the NSA, that is verified public information, people are still throwing around the word "paranoid" unironically?

 

And @GoodBytes I want you to come up with a link to me saying that I have ever been fine with Google doing this. I want you to address the fallacy you keep repeating that one company doing something awful makes it OK when another company does the same.

 

I like Windows 10 on the whole. It has some pretty gaping flaws, however. Credit and criticism where due.

 

The reason people are using the word paranoid is because so far we have no evidence that MS are collecting private data even though their policy says they aren't.

[othertomperson]

The reason people are using the word paranoid is because so far we have no evidence that MS are collecting private data even though their policy says they aren't.

 

lol apart from all of the parts where Microsoft themselves say they are and that they also sell information to "trusted" third parties?

 

What evidence do you need if you don't trust Microsoft's own admission?

[mr moose]

lol apart from all of the parts where Microsoft themselves say they are and that they also sell information to "trusted" third parties?

 

What evidence do you need if you don't trust Microsoft's own admission?

 

Please quote where it says they "sell" to third parties. 

 

It says they share information with third parties in order to provide services, not sell to third parties that have no tangible link to the services they provide you.

[othertomperson]

Please quote where it says they "sell" to third parties. 

 

It's on the install page if you bother to click customise instead of Express Install.

 

 

See the bit where they share your location with unnamed third parties? Stop digging around in the Privacy Policy and read what's in the actual OS.

 

The page after this has the bit where it sends your browsing history to Microsoft. Because that's fun.

[GoodBytes]

And @GoodBytes I want you to come up with a link to me saying that I have ever been fine with Google doing this. I want you to address the fallacy you keep repeating that one company doing something awful makes it OK when another company does the same.

I was not pointing to you. But if you use Google services and software, you agree at Google terms and condition which include their privacy policies.

[othertomperson]

I was not pointing to you.

 

No, you made a blanket statement about the hypocrisy of anyone who didn't like Microsoft doing this, because apparently no one has issues with Google doing this. Except quite clearly lots of people do take issue with Google's practices. In fact if we didn't have the whole fanboy dichotomy of Apple vs Android on this forum all the god-damned time people would be more open and honest with criticism of both.

[mr moose]

It's on the install page if you bother to click customise instead of Express Install.

 

Here is the privacy statement for windows 10, please tell me where it says they sell to third parties:

 

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-privacy-statement

[othertomperson]

Here is the privacy statement for windows 10, please tell me where it says they sell to third parties:

 

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-privacy-statement

 

I sent you a screenshot of the setting in the OS saying that they do. Why are you being so wilfully blind?

[mr moose]

I sent you a screenshot of the setting in the OS saying that they do. Why are you being so wilfully blind?

 

to start of with that image was not in your post when I responded so don't call me "willfully blind". And secondly all I see are options to turn off those settings, not "selling" data to third parties as you claim.