Jayz2cents' video on the Fury X

[The Benjamins]

Isnt the low overclocking margins because of fury x using a similar underlying architecture to the 200 series, and just more cores?

 

the 290/ 290x barely overclocked, and this seems to be a similar story

 

no 290x is GCN 1.1 Fury is GCN 1.2 (R9 285 / R9 380) my 290X can get almost 100 with no voltage change, just like the fury, but I can get 100-200 with 100 mV and 200-300 with 200 mV (as far as I can remember) so its not bad, you just need to be able to overvolt it.

 

i think the fury is so new the OC software cant/does not know how to adjust voltage.

[VagabondWraith]

Yea, just like I'm sure a custom fan profile would have helped a reference 290x.....

I can't speak for a 290x. I CAN speak for a 980 Ti. I never get over 65 in gaming.

[Lord_Karango17]

no 290x is GCN 1.1 Fury is GCN 1.2 (R9 285 / R9 380) my 290X can get almost 100 with no voltage change, just like the fury, but I can get 100-200 with 100 mV and 200-300 with 200 mV (as far as I can remember) so its not bad, you just need to be able to overvolt it.

 

i think the fury is so new the OC software cant/does not know how to adjust voltage.

What would that be in actual core clocks? cant say that I have seen a 290x go above 1100mhz, however my experience with them has been fairly minimal...

[Casperian]

This guy is a big NVIDIA fanboy lol. Get his scummy video off the channel.

 

You can instantly tell he is biased. I love how he says the 980ti can overclock more when he hasnt even overclock the fury...

He did, he got it to 1128 from 1050.

[Lord_Karango17]

This guy is a big NVIDIA fanboy lol. Get his scummy video off the channel.

 

You can instantly tell he is biased. I love how he says the 980ti can overclock more when he hasnt even overclock the fury...

thought he said that he did oc the fury x

[The Benjamins]

What would that be in actual core clocks? cant say that I have seen a 290x go above 1100mhz, however my experience with them has been fairly minimal...

 

the farthest I got mine was 1250 I think, I ran it at 1200 ish for a while. but when I overclock my monitor it cause the monitor to artifact if I had a overvolt. then I dropped it to 1050.

 

I think the display controller chip didn't like the extra voltage when pushing 100Hz 1440p over DL-DVI. ( that is close or beyond the limits of the cable/ports.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1knE1MXUbQ3tyR48CuD_6K_EfCF3cHHqL9ra5NPt6o8U/edit#gid=1

[Ryoku]

 

you can't compare a water cooled gpu to a air cooled one apples and oranges man, wheres the EVGA 980 ti hybrid in this benchmark? oh its conveniently missing.  Jays 980 ti hybrid video had 50 degree celcius max overclocked to 1484mhz. It costs more but nvidia usually does, so that's your trade off cost more but better performance with overclocking or cost less with lower performance overclocking.

[samuel]

Am I the only one who finds this guy annoying? His acting does not remind me of a real tech enthuziast...but a lucky guy who has a lot if views. Linus has his charm with his bad jokes and unknowledge. /nohomo

[Misanthrope]

you can't compare a water cooled gpu to a air cooled one 

 

Actually if they cost the same you absolutely can.

[Deletive]

So much hate for AMD... once again I think the Fury non X will take the show with it's lower price and performance to justify being 50$ more then the 980...

This card can actually be worth picking up for more people that are not in the US market.. 980ti and fury X are both priced pretty much at 800$ CAD None reference is bring that up like 50$. The fury non x will be priced the same as a non reference 980ti in the US at like 670$.

AMD atleast has some leverage to get people to buy their cards because it's already watercooled. but the 390x can go away because that shit is OP in Canada compared to the 290x.

What really annoys me is that AMD maybe not have drivers every other game launch but atleast they don't crash all the time like most of my nvidia drivers did on my old card. (750ti).

[Misanthrope]

Am I the only one who finds this guy annoying? His acting does not remind me of a real tech enthuziast...but a lucky guy who has a lot if views. Linus has his charm with his bad jokes and unknowledge. /nohomo

 

It gets worst when you get into some of the obvious omissions and character flaws myself and @Notional have pointed out.

[Casperian]

So much hate for AMD... once again I think the Fury non X will take the show with it's lower price and performance to justify being 50$ more then the 980...

This card can actually be worth picking up for more people that are not in the US market.. 980ti and fury X are both priced pretty much at 800$ CAD None reference is bring that up like 50$. The fury non x will be priced the same as a non reference 980ti in the US at like 670$.

AMD atleast has some leverage to get people to buy their cards because it's already watercooled. but the 390x can go away because that shit is OP in Canada compared to the 290x.

I think AMD might pull an NVidia here like GTX 970 vs 980 where 970 was the better option. R9 Fury - with it's custom coolers and the like - might be a killer. Here's to hoping. 

[Deletive]

I think AMD might pull an NVidia here like GTX 970 vs 980 where 970 was the better option. R9 Fury - with it's custom coolers and the like - might be a killer. Here's to hoping. 

AMD always hate the better options being the x950's and non x's. it's going to be really nice to see where that card performance if it's performance differents is like ~10% of the fury x it'll be a true winner.

[Altecice]

Yea, just like I'm sure a custom fan profile would have helped a reference 290x.....

 

It did?

 

 

Jay is mediocre when it comes to benches. We are talking about the guy who plays BF4 @ 75 fov, and did a full bench run in Witcher 3 with vsync on (and used the results in his vid). He is ok, and I do watch a lot of his stuff, but he is an admitted green team person. He tries to justify this with numbers not lying, but really, we all know that is not true, as you can just use certain settings and games, that favour one over the other. To his defence, it does seem like he doesn't use GameWorks, so that is very much competent.

 

But in this review, he uses only massively overclocked NVidia cards against a ~50mhz OC'd Fury X. He states this and then does a quick run of factory 980ti's, though we don't know what speed they run at, and compares that to the 50mhz OC'd Fury X, and uses that tiny oc against it. Not exactly fair.

 

I do get the critique of the small OC of the card, since AMD themselves, have stated this is an OC's dream card. Let's see, once the voltage regulation is unlocked, which we might see on software soon. As long as the MOSFETS can handle it, it should be good all around. The critique on not being able to OC HBM is really dumb though. NOTHING comes even close to the HBM Fury X has, no matter how much OC the GDDR5 vram gets, so what's the point? A new tech, that might not have the necessary headroom or stability in OC, as manufacturing is completely new. At least PCPer stated this was a complete non issue.

 

There is a reason why 980ti's are clocked the way they are: It is what NVidia can guarantee, so not all will be able to OC to 1500, or even 1300mhz. But at least he admits his bias, so just bear that in mind.

 

 

 

Linus literally dropped the card out of his car. These things happen, who knows what had gone wrong. Maybe one of the HBM modules had lost contact to the interposer or something. That is what happens, when you launch revolutionary technology.

 

 

This is perfectly fair, Is it Jays fault the card was marketed as an 'overclockers dream!' yet it can barely do shit. There is no point in saying 'once the voltages are unlocked' thats not acceptable if you market for one thing you damn well make sure it delivers on that from the get go. This is further backed up when you look at the AMD benchmarks and compare them to everyone elses results, AMD are lying about that as well so its really not a shock...

 

He is testing both cards at the best they can possibly be and it shows why the 980Ti with a small OC can beat it for Price/Performance. AMD is in a bad place IMO. Not to mention the pump sound and coil whine that the Fury X produces, it will put ALOT of people off.

 

Just to be clear I am not a green team or red team, I buy whoever is currently the best (I currently own two 290x's) but I plan to jump ship to 980Ti's for the better performance. At least I waited to find out about the Fury X but its not delivered on its promises for me.

[Notional]

This is perfectly fair, Is it Jays fault the card was marketed as an 'overclockers dream!' yet it can barely do shit. There is no point in saying 'once the voltages are unlocked' thats not acceptable if you market for one thing you damn well make sure it delivers on that from the get go.

 

He is testing both cards at the best they can possibly be and it shows why the 980Ti with a small OC can beat it for Price/Performance. AMD is in a bad place IMO. Not to mention the pump sound and coil whine that the Fury X produces, it will put ALOT of people off.

 

Like I said, the 980ti is only guaranteed to handle its stock speed. We cannot really conclude on Fury X's OC potential until we get software, that unlocks the voltage. It's fair to state this in the review, as he reviews what he has here and now. However software updates could unlock this soon. AMD usually don't voltage locks like NVidia, so this is not unrealistic to expect.

 

Even worse, how many of those 980ti's and Titan X's he showed, had custom water cooling? Then we are talking solutions that are 100-500$ NVidia cards + the other parts of the custom loop. You need to include that cost as well.

 

 

you can't compare a water cooled gpu to a air cooled one apples and oranges man, wheres the EVGA 980 ti hybrid in this benchmark? oh its conveniently missing.  Jays 980 ti hybrid video had 50 degree celcius max overclocked to 1484mhz. It costs more but nvidia usually does, so that's your trade off cost more but better performance with overclocking or cost less with lower performance overclocking.

 

Why not? It's stock card versus stock card, so it really is apples versus apples. If not, then you cannot compare a GDDR5 card to an HBM card either. If you still stand by your opinion, remember that an AIO also adds cost, so the price to performance cannot be compared either then.

[Doobeedoo]

Would like to know which drivers he used, I've just read this thread:
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/393985-fury-x-possibly-reviewed-with-incorrect-drivers/page-1

[Slinkey]

 

 

Now I know for a fact that is BS. Because WE ALL know that a 290X runs hotter than a 780Ti and 980Ti

 

Also just to point something out. The reference Fury X trades blows and is equal to a 980Ti with watercooling. The 980Ti reference is an air cooler.

[IrshaadH]

I still think AMD should be commended for bringing the product to market.  While I'm not interested in buying it, I am all the more excited to see what a next-gen 16nm chip + HBM2 will offer!

[ivan134]

 

Now I know for a fact that is BS. Because WE ALL know that a 290X runs hotter than a 780Ti and 980Ti

 

Also just to point something out. The reference Fury X trades blows and is equal to a 980Ti with watercooling. The 980Ti reference is an air cooler.

 

Maybe you should shoot them an e-mail.

http://techreport.com/review/28513/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-graphics-card-reviewed/13

 

I was not arguing about performance, I was talking about the OP and so many other people on the internet saying the Fury X isn't priced appropriately then point to after market 980ti or water cooled ones that cost more than the reference 980 ti to prove their point.

[ivan134]

you can't compare a water cooled gpu to a air cooled one apples and oranges man, wheres the EVGA 980 ti hybrid in this benchmark? oh its conveniently missing.  Jays 980 ti hybrid video had 50 degree celcius max overclocked to 1484mhz. It costs more but nvidia usually does, so that's your trade off cost more but better performance with overclocking or cost less with lower performance overclocking.

Yes, I can. We're talking about the price, not the performance. The OP and so many others on the internet are complaining about the Fury X's price, when it is actually priced appropriately. Do tell, how much is the EVGA 980 ti hybrid?

[DildorTheDecent]

 That GPU rack though. 

[Slinkey]

Maybe you should shoot them an e-mail.

http://techreport.com/review/28513/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-graphics-card-reviewed/13

 

I was not arguing about performance, I was talking about the OP and so many other people on the internet saying the Fury X isn't priced appropriately then point to after market 980ti or water cooled ones that cost more than the reference 980 ti to prove their point.

 

Maybe I should.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_980_ti_review,9.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review/16

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_290x_video_card_review/15#.VY3Z1xNViko

[Misanthrope]

@Slinkey: A 290x non reference runs cooler than a 980ti (or 780ti) reference blower cooler. A 290x reference would be pinned above 90 and thermal throttle. The only reason for that chart however, it's because the Fury X has a water cooler as the reference cooler, so the comparison between it and a reference 980ti becomes fair game.

[MoonSpot]

Youre a moron, they stated they are fixing the coil while (its to do with the pump btw) before consumer release, also how is it a shitty product? its clearly a step forward for GPUs, youre just too much of an idiot to oversee your fanboyness.

 

I actually am a moron, and I do recall Jay stating that the sample he got from visiontek was for retail.  How is the coil whine coming from the pump?  pump noise was one thing, and coil whine is another.

 

I don't particularly like Jay's testing methodology but it is more good relevant data to consider, and find character assassinations of him in this thread far fetched and in poor taste.

[Thony]

I havent watched it yet but i heard drivers are not good enough yet so im gonna hold my breath until AMD optimizes the shit out of the card.