Biggest misconception in technology?

[NeatSquidYT]

Actually... double nope, since there are two errors in this statement - not sure which one you were referring to, though.

 

1024 gigabytes doesn't equal 1 terabyte. 1000 gigabytes = 1 terabyte.

 

1024 mebibytes = 1 tibibyte

[zappian]

"AMD GPUs are power hungry pigs" (okay I'll give you that one nVidia fanboys)

 

"Watercooling is dangerous" No it's not if you have brains in your head and not pudding.

 

"You need a >1500€ PC for gaming" utter BS

 

Lol console games tell me that all the time.

 

While im not crazy to tell them that a 350 pc can get the same experience ( you would have to make a lot of compromises)

 

If you save up and buy say a 700 dollar pc like the one below you can have a decent 1440p gaming machine, a excellent computer

and save a lot of money on games justifying the original investment.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($60.97 @ OutletPC) 

Memory: Team Elite 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($65.98 @ Newegg) 

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($249.99 @ Amazon) 

Case: Antec GX500 ILLUSION  ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($53.20 @ Directron) 

Other: Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD ($54.00)

Total: $724.02

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-25 06:25 EST-0500

 

Patience is a virtue.

[zappian]

"AMD GPUs are power hungry pigs" (okay I'll give you that one nVidia fanboys)

 

"Watercooling is dangerous" No it's not if you have brains in your head and not pudding.

 

"You need a >1500€ PC for gaming" utter BS

 

Lol console gamers tell me that all the time.

 

While im not crazy to tell them that a 350 pc can get the same experience as a console ( you would have to make a lot of compromises)

 

I say that if you save up and buy say a 700 dollar pc like the one below you can have a decent 1440p gaming machine, a excellent computer

and save a lot of money on games justifying the original investment.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($60.97 @ OutletPC) 

Memory: Team Elite 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($65.98 @ Newegg) 

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($249.99 @ Amazon) 

Case: Antec GX500 ILLUSION  ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($53.20 @ Directron) 

Other: Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD ($54.00)

Total: $724.02

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-25 06:25 EST-0500

 

Patience is a virtue.

 

[zappian]

It is unless you want to max absolutely every damn thing.

Is it going to become an issue in the future? yes But I have only encountered 2 games I cant play at absolute max due to vram, Watch Dogs and The New Order. 

But again if you are not the kinda person who needs to max every last thing 2gb will do people for a while.

 

 

It is because most new  games on my 270x already use about 1.8 VRAM on average.

 

So 3 GB will be the new standard probably this year already.

[tonychau77]

1024 megabytes doesn't equal 1 terabyte. 1000 megabytes = 1 terabyte.

1024 mibibytes = 1 tibibyte

No. 1000000 megabytes = 1000 gigabytes = 1 terabytes. 1048576 mebibytes = 1024 gibibytes = 1 tebibytes

[tonychau77]

Beats headphones sound good. They don't.

[Nexxus]

It is because most new  games on my 270x already use about 1.8 VRAM on average.

 

So 3 GB will be the new standard probably this year already.

Oh I agree, im getting the next gen nvidia cards..hoping to get 6gb out of them at least? But ya I wouldnt say 2gb isnt enough, its just not enough if you wanna max everything out there.

[Speedbird]

1024 megabytes doesn't equal 1 terabyte. 1000 megabytes = 1 terabyte.

 

1024 mibibytes = 1 tibibyte

 

The whole mebi, gibi, tebi thing was started by hard drive manufacturers who couldn't count to 1024. They would market a 1000GB hard drive as 1TB, while Windows only sees 931GB. The companies stated that they're doing it right, because the SI prefixes mega, giga and tera mean 10⁶, 10⁹ and 10¹². And that's how it started. I disagree, and think that an exception should be made for bytes, and and a megabyte should mean 2⁶⁴ bytes. The funny thing is that DRAM companies don't do it, and 4GB of RAM is 4096MB of RAM.

 

And 1024MB should be 1GB, not 1TB.

[zappian]

Oh I agree, im getting the next gen nvidia cards..hoping to get 6gb out of them at least? But ya I wouldnt say 2gb isnt enough, its just not enough if you wanna max everything out there.

 

True but i kinda resent buying a 2 GB card and i dont recommend it to anyone.

 

This is my reaction when people want to buy a 960 on these forums , i dont want people making the same mistakes as i did if possible.

 

[NeatSquidYT]

No. 1000000 megabytes = 1000 gigabytes = 1 terabytes. 1048576 mebibytes = 1024 gibibytes = 1 tebibytes

 

Yeah, mistype sorry.

[DirkW]

1024 megabytes doesn't equal 1 terabyte. 1000 megabytes = 1 terabyte.

 

1024 mibibytes = 1 tibibyte

 

I know. That was #1

 

No. 1000000 megabytes = 1000 gigabytes = 1 terabytes. 1048576 mebibytes = 1024 gibibytes = 1 tebibytes

 

And this is #2.

[Nexxus]

snip

I hear you I will be considering the higher ram option of the 1070/1080s or whatever Nvidia ends up calling the things.

[Tedster]

AMD FX HAS AMAZING PER-CORE PERFORMANCE!

[NeatSquidYT]

AMD FX HAS AMAZING PER-CORE PERFORMANCE!

 

Only Satan says that

[zappian]

AMD FX HAS AMAZING PER-CORE PERFORMANCE!

 

For 2007.

[GarnetDevil]

Don't know if everybody has mentioned this

 

AMD/ Qualcomm CPU/ Android fanboy logic to that of intel

 

moar cores = moar power -> intel suck

moar clockspeed = moar power -> intel suck

their gpu can drive 1080p and 1440p gaming on a 5 ~ 6 inch screen, whereas the HD graphic has a hard time with 1080p gaming -> intel suck

mobile games trailer rendered in PC looks flashy -> mobile games look more beautiful than consoles and PC -> console and PC gaming sucks -> any GPU and CPU OEM of that console suck

[ANewFace]

"AMD GPUs are power hungry pigs" (okay I'll give you that one nVidia fanboys)

"Watercooling is dangerous" No it's not if you have brains in your head and not pudding.

"You need a >1500€ PC for gaming" utter BS

The are power hungry cards.

[AfonsoJR]

Its not that expensive to run triple monitors

[tonychau77]

"AMD GPUs are power hungry pigs" (okay I'll give you that one nVidia fanboys)

 

They're power hungry jets (loud as a jet )

 

The whole mebi, gibi, tebi thing was started by hard drive manufacturers who couldn't count to 1024. They would market a 1000GB hard drive as 1TB, while Windows only sees 931GB. The companies stated that they're doing it right, because the SI prefixes mega, giga and tera mean 10⁶, 10⁹ and 10¹². And that's how it started. I disagree, and think that an exception should be made for bytes, and and a megabyte should mean 2⁶⁴ bytes. The funny thing is that DRAM companies don't do it, and 4GB of RAM is 4096MB of RAM.

 

And 1024MB should be 1GB, not 1TB.

Making an exception to a well-established system does not solve the problem, but instead bring the problem everywhere. Defining 1 megabyte as 2^64 bytes makes no sense to me as it is way off the current definition of "megabyte". What I ASSUME you are trying to say is 2^20 bytes, which is the current definition of a mebibyte. If we ever make that exception, the definition of "mega-" will become "1000000 or 1048576" instead "1000000", creating more confusion. And more exceptions will be made, affecting other units where centi, deci, deca and hecto may be used. They currently mean 10^-2, 10^-1, 10^1 and 10^2 respectively. WIth the new definition, they will become 2^(-20/3), 2^(-10/3), 2^(10/3) and 2^(20/3), which are 0.00984, 0.0992, 10.079, 101.593 and make completely no sense to me. Those prefix are not rare and can be seen in centimeter, cubic decimeter (aka liter), decibel, hectopascal, etc.

 

And marketing a 1000 GB drive as 1 TB has nothing wrong. What's wrong is that windows confuses gigabyte and gibibyte. Everything in Windows is in gibibyte but it says GB instead of GiB

[79wjd]

While im not crazy to tell them that a 350 pc can get the same experience ( you would have to make a lot of compromises)

Actually, even at $400 you can beat console performance. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($70.99 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: Asus A78M-E Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($25.49 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R7 250X 1GB Video Card  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 

Case: Apex SK-393-C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($23.03 @ NCIX US) 

Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($33.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($87.99 @ NCIX US) 

Total: $396.46 (or if you include rebates, then it would be $410 upfront and $350 after getting MIR back) 

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-24 18:33 EST-0500

 

[dalekphalm]

They're power hungry jets (loud as a jet )

 

Making an exception to a well-established system does not solve the problem, but instead bring the problem everywhere. Defining 1 megabyte as 2^64 bytes makes no sense to me as it is way off the current definition of "megabyte". What I ASSUME you are trying to say is 2^20 bytes, which is the current definition of a mebibyte. If we ever make that exception, the definition of "mega-" will become "1000000 or 1048576" instead "1000000", creating more confusion. And more exceptions will be made, affecting other units where centi, deci, deca and hecto may be used. They currently mean 10^-2, 10^-1, 10^1 and 10^2 respectively. WIth the new definition, they will become 2^(-20/3), 2^(-10/3), 2^(10/3) and 2^(20/3), which are 0.00984, 0.0992, 10.079, 101.593 and make completely no sense to me. Those prefix are not rare and can be seen in centimeter, cubic decimeter (aka liter), decibel, hectopascal, etc.

 

And marketing a 1000 GB drive as 1 TB has nothing wrong. What's wrong is that windows confuses gigabyte and gibibyte. Everything in Windows is in gibibyte but it says GB instead of GiB

Your logic is fairly sound, but the problem is that the confusion and exceptions already exist.

 

RAM manufacturers use an exception to IEC Binary (1024 MB = 1GB, rather then GiB).

 

OS manufacturers and Software Vendors break the rule all the time as well. Granted some OS's now show "MiB" instead of "MB", but not all do.

 

There has never been cohesion in the proper way to use MB vs MiB.

 

I wish there was. However, I think the IEC Binary prefixes are retarded. Saying "Mebibytes" sounds stupid. At least "Megabytes" rolls off the tongue easily.

[MrCthuntoo]

Asus, MSI or Gigabyte were different graphics cards to Nvidia or AMD.

 

 

 

Young Cthuntoo spent a long while wondering why I could not find any Nvidia or AMD branded cards in the computer shops, then it finally clicked that they just sell the chipsets to other companies who then produce the card

[dalekphalm]

Asus, MSI or Gigabyte were different graphics cards to Nvidia or AMD.

 

 

 

Young Cthuntoo spent a long while wondering why I could not find any Nvidia or AMD branded cards in the computer shops, then it finally clicked that they just sell the chipsets to other companies who then produce the card

You used to be able to buy 1st party GPU's back in the 1990's. I don't know how long it's been since they've exclusively sold through 3rd party board partners though.

[MrCthuntoo]

You used to be able to buy 1st party GPU's back in the 1990's. I don't know how long it's been since they've exclusively sold through 3rd party board partners though.

 

Yeah I think that's what threw me off.

 

Back when I was a kid I remember GPUs being sold by the same company that designed them. So fast forward to my teens when I get into building my own PC I just know things have changed and there's now Nvidia cards and ATI/AMD cards, so I got a little confused when I saw all those different brands on the shelf. Although if I was smart enough I would've noticed the Geforce ***/ Radeon **** in the name and realize they're all based on the same chips.

[mrmonmon2]

zappian, on 25 Jan 2015 - 04:42 AM, said:

True but i kinda resent buying a 2 GB card and i dont recommend it to anyone.

 

This is my reaction when people want to buy a 960 on these forums , i dont want people making the same mistakes as i did if possible.

 

 

and here I am running slightly higher than 1440p on a 2gb card with no problem.....