GTX 980/970 Pricing & Reviews

[BiG StroOnZ]

If AMD has to rely on water cooling their prices are going to go up. AIOs for GPUs are rare enough in the first place, and they're not easy to construct. Every card has different length and width too. It's going to be wildly expensive to make AIO coolers for anything apart from the flagships, or the AIOs will suck.

 

Frankly I'm shocked AMD hasn't gotten in bed with Swiftech or EKWB on such a project. Asetek isn't that great in the first place, and AMD touts quality of its products even when they're inferior (usually against Intel, whereas the GPU war is a cyclical affair).

 

It's only natural for prices and costs of products to go down in the future as they become more available; you see this happening when technology progresses and get's better. AIO's as a whole will go down which will allow them to construct them for the same amount of money it takes them to put R&D into a quality and effective air cooler. AIO watercooling is fairly simply, it doesn't take much effort to implement into existing GPU's. Just look at the NZXT Kraken G10 bracket. It costs literally $30. That's obviously not what it costs to manufacture. Add in a watercooler that is more than enough for a GPU like an H55 that's $60 again but that's not what it costs to manufacture. These prices in the next 10 years will drop greatly. You will be able to get better than H105 and H110 performance for $60 by then without a doubt. The AIO is going to evolve over the next 10 years (delivering custom loops temps). It's going to change the CPU and GPU industry. Watercooling a CPU or GPU means higher clock speeds, and lower heat. Doing it from the factory means being able to deliver a higher quality and better performing product. The only limiting factory with main computer components like CPU's and GPU's is heat. Air cooling is a very old method of addressing this problem. It can be remedied quite easily. I see in ten years without a doubt Air Cooling obsolete on the Desktop PC. By then I see companies that currently create performance Air Coolers, either jumping on the bandwagon with their own version or completely disappearing from the industry altogether.

 

Getting in bed with Swiftech or EK only delivers a product to a niche section of the industry. An effective AIO gives everyone access to the advantages of watercooling, not just niche enthusiasts. 

[Adnanklink]

OMG!! A VR mode from nvidea!!!!! Woo, this means no need for a third party driver for games that dont support vr natively and I now have a reason to upgrade my cf 7870s.

[LukeTim]

I wonder if they're putting less CUDA cores in their consumer GPUs to make the Quadro/ Titan line more viable 

 

or if this is some kind of sick joke

 

This isn't less cuda cores!

GM204 replaces GK104 not GK110! And GK104 had 1536 cores, compared to GM204's 2048...

[Thony]

I wonder if they're putting less CUDA cores in their consumer GPUs to make the Quadro/ Titan line more viable

or if this is some kind of sick joke

Another one who doesnt watch all wan shows and doesnt know that Titans and Quadros have professional use featers like "double precision" which makes 0 difference in gaming.

Hope now u know key difference between gaming and rendering cards

[Techhog]

I wonder if they're putting less CUDA cores in their consumer GPUs to make the Quadro/ Titan line more viable 

 

or if this is some kind of sick joke

>Implying that Titan isn't consumer/"prosumer"

[ACatWithThumbs]

This isn't less cuda cores!

GM204 replaces GK104 not GK110! And GK104 had 1536 cores, compared to GM204's 2048...

It may be the Maxwell counterpart to GK104 but it is still meant to replace GK110.

The Maxwell counterpart of GK110 is probably planed for next year and probably with a bigger memory bus.

I really want to know the CUDA performance in rendering because if it performs worse I will buy a 780Ti or Titan instead. 

[Tetragrammaton]

...2 780 in SLI (not even the Ti...it's not worth it)...is more than enough power, I run Battlefield 4 with ultra settings no problem with one 780 (3G memory)...I'm adding another one...if I really wanna be cocky I can run a 3 card setup that can destroy anything you can throw at it. I've been around pc hardware for years...I've learned a few things along the way, I could have bought the 780Ti...but...like I've just mentioned...been around the block...I don't run around that block anymore!!!

[Zeruel]

...2 780 in SLI (not even the Ti...it's not worth it)...is more than enough power, I run Battlefield 4 with ultra settings no problem with one 780 (3G memory)...I'm adding another one...if I really wanna be cocky I can run a 3 card setup that can destroy anything you can throw at it. I've been around pc hardware for years...I've learned a few things along the way, I could have bought the 780Ti...but...like I've just mentioned...been around the block...I don't run around that block anymore!!!

Well I'm running the ROG swift at 1440p @ 144hz so I need all the performance I can get.

[patrickjp93]

That would be because Asetek now owns the patent for AIO solutions for GPU's.

PFFFT! It's not even an original concept. What patent lawyer was stupid enough to approve that? Once AIOs were made for CPUs, GPUs was a triviality in terms of innovation, even if the application is difficult.

It's only natural for prices and costs of products to go down in the future as they become more available; you see this happening when technology progresses and get's better. AIO's as a whole will go down which will allow them to construct them for the same amount of money it takes them to put R&D into a quality and effective air cooler. AIO watercooling is fairly simply, it doesn't take much effort to implement into existing GPU's. Just look at the NZXT Kraken G10 bracket. It costs literally $30. That's obviously not what it costs to manufacture. Add in a watercooler that is more than enough for a GPU like an H55 that's $60 again but that's not what it costs to manufacture. These prices in the next 10 years will drop greatly. You will be able to get better than H105 and H110 performance for $60 by then without a doubt. The AIO is going to evolve over the next 10 years (delivering custom loops temps). It's going to change the CPU and GPU industry. Watercooling a CPU or GPU means higher clock speeds, and lower heat. Doing it from the factory means being able to deliver a higher quality and better performing product. The only limiting factory with main computer components like CPU's and GPU's is heat. Air cooling is a very old method of addressing this problem. It can be remedied quite easily. I see in ten years without a doubt Air Cooling obsolete on the Desktop PC. By then I see companies that currently create performance Air Coolers, either jumping on the bandwagon with their own version or completely disappearing from the industry altogether.

Getting in bed with Swiftech or EK only delivers a product to a niche section of the industry. An effective AIO gives everyone access to the advantages of watercooling, not just niche enthusiasts.

How is it niche? Swiftech has fans of its own, and radiators. It could deliver a better version of the Asetek AIO easily in a closed system. EKWB would be more niche, but they could include Noctua or Nidec Servo (maker of the Scythe Gentle Typhoons of yore) and put together a full system.

[NICKT]

1 > SLI, if you can get equal output in regards to graphical settings and FPS.

 

I think at least, that's what Linus said at one point, that it's better to have a single more powerful card, or some such.

[zacRupnow]

Wow really? Only games benchmarked aren't hard for any modern GPU over $200 to run. All GPU benchmarks need to pass the Crysis test.

[Derranged]

Pricing for the new 980 and 970 have come online at PcCaseGear.

 

980 - $799: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1693&products_id=29083

970 - $519: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1692&products_id=29086

[SpyRosL]

Pricy!

GG Australia

[aduman]

Come to Europe, they switch $ to € and that's it...

[Nacho588425]

Tomber Rider like a baws

[Real_PhillBert]

OUCH!!! I can feel that nut kick from here.

[2mnbars]

EDIT: Wrong thread, pls ignore

[Swndlr]

approx. $465 US dollars for the 970

[Plasma]

http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Graphics_Cards/NVIDIA/56373-GV-N980D5-4GD-B

GTX980, 4GB is $799 at scorptec as well

[AdmiralGeneralPauleyD]

At least my local Scorptec store has them in stock. I happy with that.

[jezza39]

Yuck, hopefully when the early adopter tax wears off we will see some $425-$475 pricing on that 970

[79wjd]

Jensen getting ready to announce something.....

Compared to first Gen Kepler -- 600 series

Maxwell is twice as efficient as Kepler

Third generation of Delta compression 

Memory interface bandwidth improved by 40% 

 

 

Each blade of grass is treated as a geometric object increasing life-likeness.

 

Unified Solver -- forces particles to behave according to physics -- water/anything that flows/flexes. Can change how partciles with varying viscosities behave.

 

Goo Gun: 

Now 4k

Dynamic Super Resolution -- Maxwell can render games in 4k and scale it back to 1080p

1920x1080 vs. 4k scaled down to 1920x1080

MFAA - Multi Frame Samepled AA

"4x MFAA has the quality of 4x MSAA and performance of 2xAA." -Jensen

No AA vs. 4xMSAA vs. 4x MFAA

VR Direct

VR latency reduced

Asynchronous warp -- reduces latency even further

30-40ms response time -- "you're having a great time" anything higher and it sucks.

With MFAA, response times are down to 36ms

Asynchronous Warp -- predicts where you're going to turn after rendering a frame -- brings response times down to 25ms.

"VR a really cool way to play games" - Jensen

"And the Best for last"

...so its not a 900 series announcement I guess. Okay then.

Global Illumination

^ Take 150 GPUs (500 Tera-flops) three seconds to render this image via IRay.

VXGI

"A giant step forward in global illumination" - Jensen

I'm seriously disappointed he phrased it that way... "One Giant leap for mankind (computer kind?)" would have been so much better.

A picture of an Astronaut stepping onto the moon....Is Jensen leading us somewhere.....

Iray vs. VXGI

VXGI indirect lighting

VXGI indirect lighting + direct lighting vs. Iray

They look pretty similar, other than the color from the walls being "over transfered".

Oh god... Jensen's going to prove the moon landing actually happened.

So, the LEM apparently wasn't designed by Apple -- no door handle on the outside.

"Come one, you thought that was a photograph?"

Well, no...its not quite that good...it still looks a bit off like most rendered images. (I'm pretending that the photo was taken with a high resolution modern day camera).

3D rotation of the LEM:

Direct Lighting

Why is there a light behind him?

The render doesn't appear to have that light

And Buzz appears to be too bright:

The initial generated image

With the reflectivity of Neil's suit factored in

"Photo" on the right, rendering on the left.

The first flagship of Maxwell, GTX980:

Throw it! --All 13 pounds of it.

Maxwell

$549 USD

GTX970 -- $329 USD

9000 Engineers and 3 years of work led to the 900 Series.

*insert ubiquitous montage*

Isn't she a beaut'

//Will be updating constantly.

[terrytek]

umm ok then...

[Real_PhillBert]

Cool...

[Enderman]

You're wrong.

Kepler is twice as inefficient as Maxwell.