5960X dissappointment and possible new testing

[TymmVonD]

My mind is somewhat blown after watching LTT's new 5960X video and seeing the gaming results. There is almost 0 difference in FPS from 4790K to 5960X on their test bench. Which means, whatever GPU/s they were running, the 4790K can feed them fine. The CPU is not the issue. Those aren't the results anyone looking to buy x99 "for next-next gen gaming" wants to see.

 

So @LinusTech and @Slick , if the 4790K isn't a bottleneck, we wouldn't see a difference in FPS moving to the 5960X. I know games only use as many threads as instructed, and I'd bet no games utilize 16 threads(for now). If the test was at 4K or 3x 4K, would throwing extra GPUs(creating a bottleneck) at it change the results Or is the 5960X the same performance of 4790K core for core?

 

And... like the i7 vs i5 topics, would there be any advantage with the 5960X(while gaming) over the top Z97 while streaming, VOIP client in use with webcam, several utilities, browser tabs, music player, etc. (basically heavy multi-tasking)? 

 

I posted my car for sale to upgrade to x99 and get a cheaper car with the leftover. In some games, my GPUs run 70% and 50% with Vsync off, and my CPU total would be sitting at either 47-48%(no hyperthreading?) or 97-98%.

 

 

[Karumu]

you practically just upgraded to Z97 and you're selling your car to "upgrade" to X99... priorities...

[Sauron]

No offence, but it was kind of a given that x99 cpus would be a huge waste of money for gaming...

[WereCat]

you practically just upgraded to Z97 and you're selling your car to "upgrade" to X99... priorities...

But.. cores!

[exeacv2]

Per core performance is worse on the 5960x. No reason to go with x99 for gaming.

[-TesseracT-]

Per core performance is worse on the 5960x. No reason to go with x99 for gaming.

Really? source?

[gilm0re3]

X99 is designed for content creation, not gaming. That's why there isn't any difference.Intel used all their resources to add extra cores and more power, not better gaming optimization.

[jezza39]

Most games don't use the extra 2 cores over a 4790k, which means its clock speed the major factor, and it's generally been easier to hit higher clocks on 115X platform so there hasn't been much point.

[TymmVonD]

Really? source?

I believe he's right. The cores are the same, they just cut a bigger chunk of the wafer.

[Wano97]

Really? source?

What do you mean 'source'? It's a fact, go watch intels website

 

How are they a dissapointment? Nobody expected it to be a performance increase in gaming

[jezza39]

X99 is designed for content creation, not gaming.

 

It's designed for multithreaded applications, not just 'content creation'. CAD, calculations and simulations etc. 

[Sauron]

Really? source?

 

Same cores, lower frequency.

[-TesseracT-]

What do you mean 'source'? It's a fact, go watch intels website

 

How are they a dissapointment? Nobody expected it to be a performance increase in gaming

I mean source.

[Wano97]

I mean source.

And I mean what I said, go watch intels website, the cores are clocked lower

[Coombzy]

Anybody buying X99 for gaming is dumb... even if they're mister moneybags. Even for streaming it's not worth it a 4790K can tear through streaming...

[-TesseracT-]

And I mean what I said, go watch intels website, the cores are clocked lower

You asked me what do you mean source, I meant source. What do you mean? Also yes I know the cores are clocked lower 

[Enderman]

1) x99 is NOT for gaming

2) x99 will NOT improve fps

3) 4790k has the same per-core performance as any x99 chip, but it is clocked higher so it will perform slightly better

4) 99.9% of games use less than 8 cores so it is useless to move to x99 just for games

 

Hopefully this will clear it up for people who think x99 is  better for gaming.

[TymmVonD]

you practically just upgraded to Z97 and you're selling your car to "upgrade" to X99... priorities...

I hear ya. Though, if I upgrade, then my son gets the i7, my wife gets the i5 and my daughter gets her own PC with the A10. It's gonna require a lot of swapping of cases and storage drives. I budgeted $2700 to make it happen including upgrading my son's case and the parts for my daughter's PC and getting an ROG Swift or PB278(?) and handing down my 1080 monitors. Then I still need another car.... So far, I have a guy wanting to give me $4000 and his Tuned 03 Mustang for my Untuned 05 Mustang.

[Sauron]

4) 99.9% of games use less than 8 cores

 

*less than 6 cores ^^

[Karumu]

*less than 6 cores ^^

*less than 6 threads ^^

[TymmVonD]

What do you mean 'source'? It's a fact, go watch intels website

 

How are they a dissapointment? Nobody expected it to be a performance increase in gaming

I expected a 15% increase per core over my 4770K. What I didn't expect is it to perform the same or worse for games over the 4790K. I figured 8 Intel cores was better than 8 i7 threads. When I had an 8350, all "cores" would load up on Hardware monitor while gaming.

[Wano97]

I expected a 15% increase per core over my 4770K. What I didn't expect is it to perform the same or worse for games over the 4790K. I figured 8 Intel cores was better than 8 i7 threads. When I had an 8350, all "cores" would load up on Hardware monitor while gaming.

They don't perform worse, just for gaming it might. No game uses that many cores anyways

What did you expect? 8 cores with hyper threading clocked at 4.6GHz?

[Real_PhillBert]

The 5960X uses the same cores as a 4790k but clocked lower. That makes for lower per core performance...

 

For gaming a 5960X does not make any sense at all. Dont sell your car to fund a crazy PC.

[TymmVonD]

What did you expect? 8 cores with hyper threading clocked at 4.6GHz?

No not at all, but they all seem to be getting close. I expected 3.6, maybe 4.0 on good chips, but it looks like overclocking is golden on this new revision. I can't hit 4.6 on my 4770K.

[lachyman]

Let me get this straight, your first problem is you run 2 780Ti's on a 1080p screen. That's insanely overkill and of course the Haswell CPU starts to bottleneck a fair bit. You should run a lot higher res on that setup, your priority should be the ROG Swift if anything (I see you run 120/144Hz and imagine you don't want to step down to 60Hz). On a balanced setup that i7 shouldn't be a bottleneck at all, here for example I use an i5 which is essentially a weaker CPU paired with a 780 and a 1080p screen which fit together and I don't get any bottlenecks at all. 

X99 is for heavier productivity purposes and not gaming, the only CPU in the lineup I could imagine sitting in a very high end rig or a budget workstation is the 5820K, only if DDR4 didn't cost an arm and a leg now.

Also a simple higher res input and downscaling to 1080p could fix quite a few of your problems, if your screen can go to 1440p at least that is.