Finnish Gaming Tournaments not allowing female participation per backward IeSF regulations

[Rafy]

Tournament List:

Male Competition: Dota 2, Starcraft 2, Hearthstone, Ultra Street Fighter IV

Female Competition: Starcraft 2, Tekken Tag Tournament 2

 

 

"In accordance with the International e-Sports Federation's (IeSF) tournament regulations, since the main tournament event is open to male players only. This is to avoid possible conflicts (e.g. a female player eliminating a male player during RO8) among other things."

"The decision to divide male and female competitions was made in accordance with international sports authorities, as part of our effort to promote e-Sports as a legitimate sports."

 

 

 

It's an absurd division. Seemingly it tells us that Ultra Street Fighter IV is for boys, and Tekken Tag Tournament is for girls; that women aren't meant to play Dota 2 or Hearthstone; and that while both men and women can play Starcraft 2, they damn well better not do it together.

Responses from IeSF.:

 

"1 - promoting female players. We know that e-Sports is largely dominated by male players and females players are actually a portion of the overall player base. By hosting a female-only competition, we strive to promote female gaming on a global scale.

"2 - International standards. IeSF is very close to get e-Sports recognized as a true sports like it should be. Part of that efforts is to comply with the international sports regulations. For example, chess is also divided into male / female leagues."                                                                                       

 

Another response, this time on their facebook:

 

"In the last hours we have received lots of feedback from your regarding the IeSF 6th e-Sports World Championship, particularly regarding the male/female tournament division.

"We want to thank you for your interest in e-Sports and for sharing your opinions. The e-Sports community opinion is always important to the IeSF.

"Our top priority is to promote e-Sports in the best ways we can. We believe that listening is important, are we're now collecting your opinions from the social media, and we will update soon."

 

This is disgusting!

 

Source: http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/07/02/hearthstone-tournament/

[Jogostar]

I threw up in my mouth a bit.

[N0ksuu]

Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan!

But yeah this sucksss.. Fix it plz.

[Rorgash]

wow thats fucked up and backward like hell, all other espot tournaments i have seen have had females in them with everyone else.. someone tell Scarlet that she cant compete with the boys....

[techswede]

 

 

"The decision to divide male and female competitions was made in accordance with international sports authorities, as part of our effort to promote e-Sports as a legitimate sports."

If that's what it takes to make it a legitimate sport

Then F**K legitimate sports..

 

PS. Screw you OP.. Your profile pic made me refresh the page three times! 

Well played.. Well played

[Misanthrope]

Shit like this not only makes me sad but empowers extreme feminists. While it annoys me that they go to such extremes, I cannot in good conscience object to their tactics when I still read shit like this in motherfucking 2014.

[Verne]

This news has been spreading like wildfire on the Internet today. It's quite a stupid rule. I can see why having females compete in their own tournament helps promote them since they are vastly outnumbered by male pro gamers (keyword: pro), but in the end it just does more harm than good.

[LAwLz]

Not sure how to respond to this.

On one hand, it's stupid to separate men and women in something where men don't have an advantage in (unlike physical sports since men have it far easier to build muscles).

On the other hand, this seems (at least to me) as something they did in order to have more female players in the tournament. By having a female only competition alongside they can ensure that it doesn't become a sausage fest.

But then again, bringing gender into it to begin with is stupid if you ask me. Not having the women play the main game is also absolutely ridiculous. Just let whoever play whatever they want, regardless of gender.

Actually I do know how to respond to this. The one that thought of this clearly didn't think it through properly... What a dumbass.

 

 

Shit like this not only makes me sad but empowers extreme feminists. While it annoys me that they go to such extremes, I cannot in good conscience object to their tactics when I still read shit like this in motherfucking 2014.

Trust me, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why you should support "extreme feminists".

As someone from Sweden, I know just how insane the extremists are. Strive for equality instead (note: equality is not the same as uniformity, and you can't get equality by only focusing on the issues one side has).

[frustratedrocka]

...really? REALLY?!

[deviant88]

Why the freaking hell is there women and men categories??? this aint soccer what the hell they should all be able to compete in same category,what why should there be a female league to begin with thats like admitting women are weaker?! at this e-sports.

 

[Misanthrope]

Trust me, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why you should support "extreme feminists".

As someone from Sweden, I know just how insane the extremists are. Strive for equality instead (note: equality is not the same as uniformity, and you can't get equality by only focusing on the issues one side has).

I don't support them, I'm just pissed that crap like this leaves the door open for them to justify their extremism, that's what I meant to say.

As for your other thoughts, there's a fine line between trying to be inclusive and patronizing, this clearly crosses into patronizing: let women compete and slowly work their way up the competitive ladders.

[StingBull]

This's what you get if you take a new and emerging concept and force it to conform to an old one. "E-sports" should not be considered sports. They are not sports, they are their own thing.

Same goes for chess but that's beyond salvation.

[Slinkey]

All though I do not agree with not letting females play vs males in e-sports I think it is a necessary step to make e-Sports a real "sports"

[Xorbot]

It makes sense, though.  Do you know how hard it is to animate females in video games?  It would have costed an enormous amount of additional dollars to animate female assassin's in AC Unity.  Since Ubisoft is a big game publisher, it stands as proof that they are 100% correct, are infallible, and cannot be challenged in their assertions.

 

As a result, of course females should not compete with males in digital online card game tournaments... those beings are just too much of a mystery for us--too many unknowns.

 

https://twitter.com/redfivetwo/statuses/476540307275014144

[Albatross]

So we can't even play e-"sports" together? :lol:

 

 

I honestly can't say I'm surprised though. :rolleyes:

[juretrn]

Point being... what exactly? The fact that the organisation behind the event wishes to promote e-sports as an actual sport? I'm sorry, but which sport do you know of does NOT divide male and female competition? As stated by their official response, even chess is divided, despite no sex has any obvious advantage over the other there. Why should e-sports be any different? Way to make an elephant from a fly.

 

Not to mention your thread title is REALLY misleading!

[Yoinkerman]

... What? This is ridiculous. If a person can play, a person can play.

[Misanthrope]

Point being... what exactly? The fact that the organisation behind the event wishes to promote e-sports as an actual sport? I'm sorry, but which sport do you know of does NOT divide male and female competition?

You're misunderstanding the issue: While most of us would like acceptance of e-sports it would be so the e-athletes can get legitimized doing it, for example being offered the same latitude physical discipline athletes enjoy when traveling. They're not exactly the same as sports, but unlike entertainers there is a competitive aspect so it would be easier to try to get those travel permits under that paradigm particularly in countries with overly zealous entry policies.

[juretrn]

You're misunderstanding the issue: While most of us would like acceptance of e-sports it would be so the e-athletes can get legitimized doing it, for example being offered the same latitude physical discipline athletes enjoy when traveling. They're not exactly the same as sports, but unlike entertainers there is a competitive aspect so it would be easier to try to get those travel permits under that paradigm particularly in countries with overly zealous entry policies.

oooookay?

[Legion]

Misleading title.

 

But this is only hurting esports on a global stage. 

Are you going to stop scarlett from competing you know the only decent foreigner left in the Starcraft 2 scene?

Jesus Prime should just send 유라 over or 시윤 should find a sponsor and go either of them would win hands down. 

 

And let me guess the women's tournament is going to have less prize money.

How about you allow them to compete if they want to.

 

Kespa has some shitty rules but they don't ban 유리 from playing for Prime. 

[StingBull]

You're misunderstanding the issue: While most of us would like acceptance of e-sports it would be so the e-athletes can get legitimized doing it, for example being offered the same latitude physical discipline athletes enjoy when traveling. They're not exactly the same as sports, but unlike entertainers there is a competitive aspect so it would be easier to try to get those travel permits under that paradigm particularly in countries with overly zealous entry policies.

 

I'm against lumping everything under the title of "sports" instead of creating whole new avenue (Chess is not a sport)

 

Yeah, visas are a bitch to deal with so why don't we fight against them rather than cheating the established broken system.

[Misanthrope]

I'm against lumping everything under the title of "sports" instead of creating whole new avenue (Chess is not a sport)

 

Yeah, visas are a bitch to deal with so why don't we fight against them rather than cheating the established broken system.

A fair point: I am of the opinion that countries with stupid immigration policies should be completely excluded from hosting such events.

[lachyman]

Making male and female leagues in physical sports makes sense, because males have diffirent physical capabilities than females. But I don't see a reason for dividing mental sports like chess and esports like DotA, when they are all based on mental capabilities and reflexes both genders can equally improve. If so then why are boys and girls able to go to the same class, be tested and compared together? Most likely because they all have an equal chance to pass right? But yeah, school isn't a sport nor are these esports yet they are trying to be which leads the to bullshit decisions.

[LinusTech]

Fun fact.

 

Badminton is the only Olympic sport where men and women compete at the same time on the same playing field against each other.

 

Badminton ftw.

 

http://youtu.be/o2ywdoiBV0Q?t=37m27s

[Accursed Entity]

What a load of BS...