Google doesn't even hide it anymore

[Mark Kaine]

 

that'll make chrome (and chromium based browsers) basically unusable, also especially from a security standpoint... what do we do now? I don't think Firefox is a viable alternative,  its like people saying "just use linux if you don't like windows" ... sounds good, problem is Linux kinda sucks and is needlessly esoteric and complicated to use... guess what Firefox is? Same thing, just cumbersome, slow, and barely even works, but its maybe all we have... which is always bad if there's only one offer basically.  

 

What other non chromium browsers are there even? what is everyone doing when chrome finally breaks ublock origin?  can ublock origin find "workarounds"? 

[BillBill]

5 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

 

that'll make chrome (and chromium based browsers) basically unusable, also especially from a security standpoint... what do we do now? I don't think Firefox is a viable alternative,  its like people saying "just use linux if you don't like windows" ... sounds good, problem is Linux kinda sucks and is needlessly esoteric and complicated to use... guess what Firefox is? Same thing, just cumbersome, slow, and barely even works, but its maybe all we have... which is always bad if there's only one offer basically.  

 

What other non chromium browsers are there even? what is everyone doing when chrome finally breaks ublock origin?  can ublock origin find "workarounds"? 

Maybe try Opera or Brave browser 

[LAwLz]

Brave has a built-in adblocker, which won't be affected by the depreciation of manifest v2, and it supports all the same filters as uBlock Origin.

You might need to tweak a few things to get it working as you want though. It comes with some crypto stuff that I have turned off.

You could also install the light version of uBlock, although it doesn't have the same extensive capabilities.

 

But I mean... It's not like Google was ever trying to hide it. They were very open about how they were going to depricate manifest v2, which is what uBlock Origin relied on.

[podkall]

Not sure how much coverage DuckDuckGo extension has when it comes to security from ads, but I assume at least it might be partial one.

 

15 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

What other non chromium browsers are there even? what is everyone doing when chrome finally breaks ublock origin?  can ublock origin find "workarounds"? 

Firefox is my GOAT, it also somehow runs smoother than Chrome for me specifically...

[YellowJersey]

Don't be evil.

[Mark Kaine]

25 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Brave has a built-in adblocker,

Did they stop installing two VPNs automatically?   

 

 

15 minutes ago, podkall said:

Firefox is my GOAT, it also somehow runs smoother than Chrome for me specifically

i mean i tried it a couple of times, it's slow, its confusing,  it doesn't seem stable (crashes, freezes, etc) Chrome is far from perfect but at least its stable and pretty lightweight, for me at least.   

 

edit: all alternatives seem to have glaring issues, none of them seem stable, or usable (from a reliability standpoint) they all seem to be trying to much, instead of keeping it simple...

 

Vivaldi... same thing

 

 

the one thing i care about (besides adblocking/extensions and customization) 

...

[Monkey Dust]

Wow, a lot of shade thrown on Firefox there. Firefox is fast enough, all modern browsers are fast enough, in use the difference should be pretty much imperceptible. Yes, you do need a backup Chromium browser, because some sites don't work well, with Firefox. Personally, I use Brave as my backup.

 

I haven't noticed any stability issues with Firefox, at least not for a good few years. Have you tried a fresh FF install?

 

The only non-Chromium browsers are now just Firefox, and a couple of spin-offs (but if you think FF is esoteric and complicated, they're more so) and Safari, which of course is Apple only.

[podkall]

11 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

i mean i tried it a couple of times, it's slow, its confusing,  it doesn't seem stable (crashes, freezes, etc) Chrome is far from perfect but at least its stable and pretty lightweight, for me at least.   

it's funny that for me it's the exact opposite, PCs are weird sometimes...

[Crunchy Dragon]

Been using Firefox for over a decade, never had any issues with it.

 

Having a Chromium-based backup browser isn't a bad idea, but generally Safari and/or Edge are good enough to cover the small handful of sites I visit that Firefox doesn't.

[Mark Kaine]

8 minutes ago, Monkey Dust said:

The only non-Chromium browsers are now just Firefox, and a couple of spin-offs (but if you think FF is esoteric and complicated, they're more so) and Safari, which of course is Apple only.

yeah... im just learning most (all?) "alternatives" are chromium based with their own "adblocker" built-in... which is, uh, sketchy at best...

 

8 minutes ago, Monkey Dust said:

Wow, a lot of shade thrown on Firefox

im sorry, i mean i want to like it, but as said every time i try it everything is slow, glitchy, barely works (that's besides im really not a fan of the UI approach and how they handle tabs, etc, which i could still get used to of course,  but... it does barely work... that's the problem,  the search options are also awful... i don't want regional search, ever...) 

[Mark Kaine]

4 minutes ago, podkall said:

it's funny that for me it's the exact opposite, PCs are weird sometimes...

yeah, agreed... its not just browsers... this happens all the time, hardware or software... 

[Needfuldoer]

I've been running AdBlock Plus this whole time (actually since the Firefox 2 days), and they complied with manifest V3 back in May.  

 

https://blog.adblockplus.org/blog/how-adblock-plus-is-getting-ready-for-manifest-v3

 

Chrome isn't complaining about the current version of Privacy Badger either.

[Mark Kaine]

18 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Been using Firefox for over a decade, never had any issues with it.

 

Having a Chromium-based backup browser isn't a bad idea, but generally Safari and/or Edge are good enough to cover the small handful of sites I visit that Firefox doesn't.

Just found out today you can't use Windows sound enhancements and watch YouTube videos at the same time - at all. (which also explains why it never worked for me when i tried)

 

https://support.mozilla.org/mk/questions/1441795

 

 

plus the whole "no matter what i set it too, all (99%) search results will be in German, even if i use US version of Firefox" thing is infuriating... 

[podkall]

11 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Just found out today you can't use Windows sound enhancements and watch YouTube videos at the same time - at all. (which also explains why it never worked for me when i tried)

 

https://support.mozilla.org/mk/questions/1441795

 

 

plus the whole "no matter what i set it too, all (99%) search results will be in German, even if i use US version of Firefox" thing is infuriating... 

I'm not sure how I've managed to de-regionalize my searches, not entirely though, but enough that I can search for EN answers/websites/articles without being shoved non-EN results

[Donut417]

1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

What other non chromium browsers are there even? what is everyone doing when chrome finally breaks ublock origin?  can ublock origin find "workarounds"? 

Firstly this was announced months ago. Secondly FireFox and Opera I believe are non Chrome Browsers. I personally use Safari on my Mac because I had some issues with Firefox. uBlock cant do any work arounds because of the changes Google made with Manifest v3. The work around is find a new browser. 

[PDifolco]

1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

 

that'll make chrome (and chromium based browsers) basically unusable, also especially from a security standpoint... what do we do now? I don't think Firefox is a viable alternative,  its like people saying "just use linux if you don't like windows" ... sounds good, problem is Linux kinda sucks and is needlessly esoteric and complicated to use... guess what Firefox is? Same thing, just cumbersome, slow, and barely even works, but its maybe all we have... which is always bad if there's only one offer basically.  

 

What other non chromium browsers are there even? what is everyone doing when chrome finally breaks ublock origin?  can ublock origin find "workarounds"? 

Switched from Chrome to Firefox for that exact reason, and really I hardly feel the difference (except some missing extensions, say for displaying properly Netflix on my ultrawide monitor...)

It's maybe some tens of seconds slower, but who cares ?

[VinLAURiA]

1 hour ago, Monkey Dust said:

Wow, a lot of shade thrown on Firefox there. Firefox is fast enough, all modern browsers are fast enough, in use the difference should be pretty much imperceptible. Yes, you do need a backup Chromium browser, because some sites don't work well, with Firefox. Personally, I use Brave as my backup.

 

I haven't noticed any stability issues with Firefox, at least not for a good few years. Have you tried a fresh FF install?

 

The only non-Chromium browsers are now just Firefox, and a couple of spin-offs (but if you think FF is esoteric and complicated, they're more so) and Safari, which of course is Apple only.

It's funny how Chrome was originally based on Safari's WebKit before expanding into its own proprietary Blink engine as it dominated market share more and more, muscling every other browser out of the market with Firefox being the only non-Chromium holdout with any real market share. Pretty much a textbook example of that "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy Microsoft used in the past that people still won't let them live down, and now here's another company doing it plain as day and yet regulatory bodies aren't even batting an eye this time.

 

Hell, don't some regions still have "Windows E" versions without IE/Edge installed because it's "anticompetitive", and yet Google Chrome comes default on every Android device?

[Donut417]

4 minutes ago, VinLAURiA said:

It's funny how Chrome was originally based on Safari's WebKit before expanding into its own proprietary Blink engine as it dominated market share more and more, muscling every other browser out of the market with Firefox being the only non-Chromium holdout with any real market share. Pretty much a textbook example of that "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy Microsoft used in the past that people still won't let them live down, and now here's another company doing it plain as day and yet regulatory bodies aren't even batting an eye this time.

Would like to add. The US government is going after Google with the monopoly laws. Seems that their current targets are Chrome and Android. Hard to say if anything will come of it after January 20th. 

[Mark Kaine]

9 minutes ago, VinLAURiA said:

Google Chrome comes default on every Android device?

which is against EU regulations... the problem is: nobody cares. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[GarlicDeliverySystem]

12 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

I don't think Firefox is a viable alternative,  its like people saying "just use linux if you don't like windows" ... sounds good, problem is Linux kinda sucks and is needlessly esoteric and complicated to use... guess what Firefox is?

Have you even used Firefox in the last decade?

Edit: reading further you seem to have a lot of issues with it, no clue why though. I never experienced any jank with it, to me it works pretty much as well as Chrome.

 

I use Chrome at work and Firefox at home, between the two I don't notice any practical differences apart from less integration with Google apps/services (shocker). For all intents and purposes, Firefox is totally viable and with this probably the best bet in the future.

Things are of course going to work a little different, they aren't a 1:1 clone of Chrome after all. But so do Safari, Edge etc. 

 

11 hours ago, PDifolco said:

displaying properly Netflix on my ultrawide monitor

I use one called ultrawideo: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ultrawideo/ it does the trick, though you appear to have to manually toggle it for best results. 

[Dracarris]

12 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

guess what Firefox is? Same thing, just cumbersome, slow, and barely even works

That is just plain wrong.

 

Maybe you managed to configure/extend FF in a way that breaks it for you. My FF installation is around 8 years old at this point, has several extensions enabled all the time, ublock origin ofc being one of them, and only gets restarted when Windows is restarted, which I do only in 1-2 months intervals when updates are absolutely necessary.

 

Sure that's my personal experience, but judging from this thread here you seem to be in the minority with your experience. Calling Chrome resource-friendly/efficient is also very far fetched IMHO.

[Doobeedoo]

14 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Firstly this was announced months ago. Secondly FireFox and Opera I believe are non Chrome Browsers. I personally use Safari on my Mac because I had some issues with Firefox. uBlock cant do any work arounds because of the changes Google made with Manifest v3. The work around is find a new browser. 

Not true for Opera for a long time now as they switched.

[Doobeedoo]

Why use Chrome even though. So far the addblocker works on Edge blocks stuff properly. I didn't find FF as bad as mentioned, at times some things were off but better then Chrome that's for sure. Aside Opera there is Vivaldi it's alao Chromium based but more customization.

[YellowJersey]

Never understood the hate for Firefox. Been using it since nearly day 1. I have Brave for a chromium based browser, which I need to use for a handful of sites (mostly work related) and I honestly prefer Firefox across the board. There was a period back in the early 2010s (iirc) where FF had some issues (I remember it freezing and crashing a bit), but that hasn't been an issue in a long time. Also been using Floorp and it's quite nice, too.

[Mark Kaine]

9 minutes ago, YellowJersey said:

Never understood the hate for Firefox. Been using it since nearly day 1. I have Brave for a chromium based browser, which I need to use for a handful of sites (mostly work related) and I honestly prefer Firefox across the board. There was a period back in the early 2010s (iirc) where FF had some issues (I remember it freezing and crashing a bit), but that hasn't been an issue in a long time. Also been using Floorp and it's quite nice, too.

i already said this... if you have audio enhancements enabled in windows Firefox does *not* play videos *at all* (only for a second before it freezes) so for all intends and purposes saying there are no glaring issues with Firefox is wrong. 

 

you can say just turn audio enhancements off sure, but that's really detrimental in some situations because i actually *need* it to play games etc (of course youtube also sounds better with audio enhancements) 

 

Also tried floorp btw, it would be nice, if it wasn't so glitchy... popout videos randomly close, when in settings screen randomly flickers, sometimes "forgets" it had tabs open, etc... my initial impression is simply bad, 1/10... good ideas, bad implementations... 

 

Also reasonable criticism  =/= hate, hard to take anyone with such views seriously tbh. 

 

 

i have z e r o feelings about a browser lol.