Twitch updates sexual content policy

[Bitter]

This is going to be very selectively applied. I feel like the wording implied that drawing women is more ok since breast was mentioned like conventionally attractive young woman drawing nude women in skimpy clothes will be more tolerated than a chunky hairy bear twerking on a pole drawing Magneto making out with George Washington while fondling Jeff Bezos' crotch.

[Kisai]

Rolled back 10 minutes ago:

https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Sexual-Content-Policy-Update?language=en_US

[TetraSky]

And just like that, Twitch is getting blocked on every "public" networks in the same way porn is getting blocked.

 

16 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Rolled back 10 minutes ago:

https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Sexual-Content-Policy-Update?language=en_US

 

Nevermind. 

lol

They wish they could've predicted the outcome of this stupid ass decision... Of course there would be people showing tits and ass on stream to minors (I've seeing posts on reddit about drawings of CP and furry peen, that's worse). Whoever initially made the decision for this will likely get fired if they aren't at the top.

[Poinkachu]

1 minute ago, TetraSky said:

And just like that, Twitch is getting blocked on every "public" networks.

 

 

Nevermind. 

lol

Seems they underestimated people's "willpower" to tread the fine line.

[Yua]

24 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Rolled back 10 minutes ago:

https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Sexual-Content-Policy-Update?language=en_US

They are only rolling back on the artistic nudity.

 

Twitch thots can still be thots but now artist can be banned again for drawing a cleavage. Awesome.

 

Twitch only wanted to spare themselves of moderating, the issue was that they weren't really hiding this stuff from underage accounts, now the only real win for artist is gone and all the negatives remained.

Youtube also has kids, and also has a bunch of soft-porn. But youtube doesnt shove this down your feed in a click of a button. Specially not to kids.

[Uttamattamakin]

4 hours ago, LAwLz said:

In before arguments about how some ex-hot tub streamer who is now doing nude body painting and twerking on a stripper pole is totally an artistic expression and not at all porn. 

 

I am sure these new rules were introduced to cater towards high-class connoisseurs of art who just value fine expression of creativity. Not at all aimed to allow soft-core porn.

Pole dancing need not be "porn".   Tell me there is no art in this.  
 

Cosplay based on this anime (Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt). 

Pole dance does not imply being naked.  If anything having certain parts exposed might even be painful  if they stuck to the pole.  It can be kinda like this. 

 

Now imagine that was a more precious part and stuck with friction instead of cold.) 

 

Guys the fault for this lies in young men.  Young men will watch a attractive woman suck at gaming while a less attractive woman can be GREAT and not get a thing.  Indeed they'll pay to just look at a woman "live".  If I was 20 years younger than I am now I would certainly have an only fans myself.  (I could credibly still do that for about 10 more years.)  Even if one does not make 1000's of dollars, for someone who is just getting by on a minimum wage, making a couple hundred can make a difference. 

 

[Brooksie359]

8 hours ago, 8tg said:

Parents watching their children recreate public mass shootings in GTA, gunning down crowds of civilians, desecrating and burning the corpses vs one singular breast on the display

Ah yes inflate violent video games to the worst possible scenario vs the most minimized version of nudity. I'm sorry but you clearly don't have a good argument if you need such an example to make even an ok argument. I mean I would even say that yeah parents would probably be way more appalled from just a single breast on the screen vs if they glance at their kid playing GTA and see them shooting civilians. Also from a psychological perspective porn is alot worse than violent video games on the developing mind. 

[8tg]

58 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Ah yes inflate violent video games to the worst possible scenario vs the most minimized version of nudity. I'm sorry but you clearly don't have a good argument if you need such an example to make even an ok argument. I mean I would even say that yeah parents would probably be way more appalled from just a single breast on the screen vs if they glance at their kid playing GTA and see them shooting civilians. Also from a psychological perspective porn is alot worse than violent video games on the developing mind. 

Karen tier take.

 

edit, I mean shit that’s not even the worst possible scenario, that’s literally a mini game in gta online, showing up in the shit neighborhoods in the game and starting an NPC gang war

A solid portion of that game is basically just crime ring logistics, which personally I think any child should aspire to get into logistics, wether that’s automotive parts like myself or massive amounts of illicit drugs like Franklin and Lamar, proper life lessons there

 

It’s pretty funny how quickly people dropped “doom is corrupting our children” when they realized video games mean they don’t have to be a parent for a few hours a day. And the same applies to twitch, they’ll be up in arms over little Timmy seeing anime titties on a drawstream, only to stop caring shortly after when little Timmy isnt outside skinning the neighbors cats anymore (because he spent his formative years playing excessively violent video games with no restriction).

[Brooksie359]

54 minutes ago, 8tg said:

Karen tier take.

 

edit, I mean shit that’s not even the worst possible scenario, that’s literally a mini game in gta online, showing up in the shit neighborhoods in the game and starting an NPC gang war

A solid portion of that game is basically just crime ring logistics, which personally I think any child should aspire to get into logistics, wether that’s automotive parts like myself or massive amounts of illicit drugs like Franklin and Lamar, proper life lessons there

 

It’s pretty funny how quickly people dropped “doom is corrupting our children” when they realized video games mean they don’t have to be a parent for a few hours a day. And the same applies to twitch, they’ll be up in arms over little Timmy seeing anime titties on a drawstream, only to stop caring shortly after when little Timmy isnt outside skinning the neighbors cats anymore (because he spent his formative years playing excessively violent video games with no restriction).

Yeah that is the most unhinged take I have ever seen. The implication that violent video games leads to serial killer behavior is actually insane. There has been a ton of studies on violent video games on developing minds and the evidence that it causes and long term psychology damage is just not supported. Compare that to porn which there are alot of studies that shows if you get exposed to it early it can cause a whole host of psychology issues and even overconsumption in adults can cause issues too. Honestly the only issues with violent video games has on kids is the same as video games in general and not specific to violent video games. Anyways I still stand by what I said. You bring up a specific part of a specific game to try and make a point vs a breast which is probably on the milder side and super generic. How about you compare it to the worst case like you are with video games or just do something that is actually not such and extreme for video games. 

[Uttamattamakin]

4 hours ago, Kisai said:

Rolled back 10 minutes ago:

https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Sexual-Content-Policy-Update?language=en_US

Reading that it sounds like the first mission in Cyberpunk 2077 could be considered violating that policy since you see, right at the start.

 

Spoiler

a fully frontally naked woman and carry her up close and in your face in that game. 

Let alone a lap dance from GTA V or online. 

That's the thing about the USA.  We are so uptight about the human body but fine with mass destruction all day every day.  

[05032-Mendicant-Bias]

4 hours ago, Kisai said:

Rolled back 10 minutes ago:

https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Sexual-Content-Policy-Update?language=en_US

The headlines made me believe Twitch was becoming Only Fans, but as I understand now it's was to allow nude drawings and not the real thing? And now that too has been rolled back.

 

Youtube gets away with "aristic nude yoga". Perhaps Twitch is not at the scale where it can get away with it with their payment processors and advertisers?

It must be a really thin line to thread, clothed enough that advertisers and payment processors are okay with it, but nude enough to expand into other audiences.

 

Overall I'm confused by this saga...

[Mark Kaine]

13 minutes ago, 05032-Mendicant-Bias said:

The headlines made me believe Twitch was becoming Only Fans, but as I understand now it's was to allow nude drawings and not the real thing? And now that too has been rolled back.

 

Youtube gets away with "aristic nude yoga". Perhaps Twitch is not at the scale where it can get away with it with their payment processors and advertisers?

It must be a really thin line to thread, clothed enough that advertisers and payment processors are okay with it, but nude enough to expand into other audiences.

 

Overall I'm confused by this saga...

it seems to have been a stupid ass publicity stunt , that inevitably backfired, just much faster than anyone thought it would...

 

also pseudo "erotic" yoga videos  =/= "nudity" at least i haven't seen any (on yt)

 

 

[Mark Kaine]

29 minutes ago, 05032-Mendicant-Bias said:

It must be a really thin line to thread, clothed enough that advertisers and payment processors are okay with it, but nude enough to expand into other audiences.

yeah, this isn't technically possible. 

 

twitter used to be like this, full on hardcore pr0n for anyone to see, without censors... not sure if that's still going haven't used twitter in the last ~2 years...

 

 

so yes, you can do this, you just have to not give a hoot about any kind of regulations or morality lol. 

 

twitch or yt? nah, they can't do this, way too much scrutiny,  they would never get away with it (although i admit i thought twitch would actually try after reading this "news" headline haha) 

[wanderingfool2]

31 minutes ago, Uttamattamakin said:

Reading that it sounds like the first mission in Cyberpunk 2077 could be considered violating that policy since you see, right at the start.

It literally says this

Quote

This restriction does not apply to Mature-rated games

 

5 hours ago, Kisai said:

Rolled back 10 minutes ago:

https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Sexual-Content-Policy-Update?language=en_US

Kind of saw this coming from a mile away.  Too many people were pushing the limits (like honestly the other day there was a streamer who clicked on the art tab and it was swarmed with nudity).

 

Overall I think this kind of policy is a bit hard to ultimately write though.  While I do think certain artistic things should be allowed it's hard to accurately depict the difference between something sexual vs actual art.  With that said though, Twitch already allow so much of teasing that it's in my opinion already almost a softcore site.  I'm not against such things exist, but when it's a popular platform where kids are there should be more discretion (like not showing the thumbnails/allowing streamers to select more categories than for adults).

 

Overall I have less issue with violence in video games, but I do see issues in terms of sexual nature because there are so many youths who thrive on being able to interact with streamers and get attached to them (and they simply don't have the sense yet to not essentially fall for a streamer).

[Lunar River]

well that didn't take long

[da na]

Seems like people completely misunderstood the policy here. 

Not like people will be streaming naked now... it's for games and art.

 

Twitch has been completely fine with full frontal in first-party games (eg Cyberpunk 2077) for years now, allowing that content to be shown on the site if tagged appropriately. This policy just clarifies that a bit since the rules were a little... murky.

It makes sense in their rolled-back policy that games are excluded from the no-sex blacklist since, well, there would go a good portion of Twitch's userbase.

[Uttamattamakin]

6 hours ago, wanderingfool2 said:

It literally says this

 

Rated 17+.  In the USA now some want to act like you're not mature enough for that until you are 25.  Some states legislate in that manner.    Lets hope twitch can hold the line. 

[wanderingfool2]

2 hours ago, Uttamattamakin said:

Rated 17+.  In the USA now some want to act like you're not mature enough for that until you are 25.  Some states legislate in that manner.    Lets hope twitch can hold the line. 

How are you seriously trying to spin this asinine narrative that Cyberpunk 2077 could violate this narrative.

 

It literally says that the change doesn't apply to mature rated games...and you are essentially trying to state a mature rated game could get people in trouble.  It's very basic level logic here, there isn't any what if's with that game.  Rated 17+ according to ESRB is considered M for Mature.

[Uttamattamakin]

6 hours ago, wanderingfool2 said:

How are you seriously trying to spin this asinine narrative that Cyberpunk 2077 could violate this narrative.

 

It literally says that the change doesn't apply to mature rated games...and you are essentially trying to state a mature rated game could get people in trouble.  It's very basic level logic here, there isn't any what if's with that game.  Rated 17+ according to ESRB is considered M for Mature.

My comment on this is forward looking.  Twtich can face pressure to change its policies.  If you haven't noticed the authorities in the USA love to go nuts about video game content every once in a while.  1993 "Mortal Kombat hearings"  2006 video game violence hearings.   

 

 

 

On the other hand.  This is a different time and at least some people in power are of a younger generation and not scared that Video Games will make the kids murdering sex perverts or whatever. 

 

https://kotaku.com/you-can-now-watch-u-s-congresspeople-stream-video-game-1827731136 Gaetz being interviewed while streaming by the Wasington post.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/522006-aoc-draws-hundreds-of-thousands-of-viewers-on-twitch-livestream/

 

Suppose people who are of the older generations there also heard of it.  Suppose this put Twitch on the radar of those who find their cell phone confusing, think anyone under 25 is a child, and will pearl clutch at the sight of Sandra Dorsett in all her unconscious glory.   Not to mention ALL of the other things in that game. 

 

I'm going to predict right now.   When GTA 6 launches there will be another round of pearl clutching around its content, and its content being streamed.  Then everything remotely like it that has been streamed will be used against video game streaming.  Mark my words.  Make fun of them.   Call me an idiot.    History need not repeat but it often rhymes. 

[WereCat]

On 12/15/2023 at 6:56 PM, Brooksie359 said:

Yeah that is the most unhinged take I have ever seen. The implication that violent video games leads to serial killer behavior is actually insane. 

Indeed. I played Postal 2 as a 9y old and to this day I haven't even killed 10 people yet. 

[Bitter]

19 hours ago, Uttamattamakin said:

My comment on this is forward looking.  Twtich can face pressure to change its policies.  If you haven't noticed the authorities in the USA love to go nuts about video game content every once in a while.  1993 "Mortal Kombat hearings"  2006 video game violence hearings.   

 

 

 

On the other hand.  This is a different time and at least some people in power are of a younger generation and not scared that Video Games will make the kids murdering sex perverts or whatever. 

 

https://kotaku.com/you-can-now-watch-u-s-congresspeople-stream-video-game-1827731136 Gaetz being interviewed while streaming by the Wasington post.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/522006-aoc-draws-hundreds-of-thousands-of-viewers-on-twitch-livestream/

 

Suppose people who are of the older generations there also heard of it.  Suppose this put Twitch on the radar of those who find their cell phone confusing, think anyone under 25 is a child, and will pearl clutch at the sight of Sandra Dorsett in all her unconscious glory.   Not to mention ALL of the other things in that game. 

 

I'm going to predict right now.   When GTA 6 launches there will be another round of pearl clutching around its content, and its content being streamed.  Then everything remotely like it that has been streamed will be used against video game streaming.  Mark my words.  Make fun of them.   Call me an idiot.    History need not repeat but it often rhymes. 

It's always "something"

 

[Stahlmann]

The only real reasons why twitch walked back so fast is because they probably realized that allowing softcore porn is a very slippery slope that can lead to advertisers jumping off very quickly, aswell as possible TOS problems with the app stores.

 

Demanding age verification obviously comes with privacy concerns, which is probably the most important factor for most people. And because of the fact that porn is already incredibly easy to find by typing "porn" into google, clicking on the first result that leads to PornHub and clicking on the "i'm over 18" button. So why should Twitch demand age verification when not even actual porn sites like PornHub do?

[Uttamattamakin]

On 12/17/2023 at 2:25 AM, Bitter said:

It's always "something"

 

Right back to the 1600's there's nothing Americans love more than a good old witch hunt.  Twitch just avoided making it a Twitch hunt. 

At least for now. 

[starsmine]

5 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

The only real reasons why twitch walked back so fast is because they probably realized that allowing softcore porn is a very slippery slope that can lead to advertisers jumping off very quickly, aswell as possible TOS problems with the app stores.

 

Demanding age verification obviously comes with privacy concerns, which is probably the most important factor for most people. And because of the fact that porn is already incredibly easy to find by typing "porn" into google, clicking on the first result that leads to PornHub and clicking on the "i'm over 18" button. So why should Twitch demand age verification when not even actual porn sites like PornHub do?

It would have been no different than the rules for youtube. The goal as far as I can tell was to build a system to take it off recommended pages and be on pages you need to log in to and search for. 

The problem was releasing the new rules before the new system would have been fully implemented. It was half baked. 

[Bitter]

1 hour ago, Uttamattamakin said:

Right back to the 1600's there's nothing Americans love more than a good old witch hunt.  Twitch just avoided making it a Twitch hunt. 

At least for now. 

Twat hunt