Why does everyone hate the 4080?

[Mark Kaine]

27 minutes ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

NGreedia

[heimdali]

3 hours ago, ewitte said:

They say they shipped 100k.  Not sure how that translates into actual numbers.  The 0.05-0.1% estimate was in the video.  They had been talking directly with Nvidia, partners, etc.  Really though the point of it is MOST of the failures were incorrectly seated.

Has NVDIA still not recalled these cards?  Apparently they are a fire hazard and it's a design flaw.  If I had bought one, I'd have returned it for either a refund or a fix.

 

[ewitte]

2 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Has NVDIA still not recalled these cards?  Apparently they are a fire hazard and it's a design flaw.  If I had bought one, I'd have returned it for either a refund or a fix.

 

Did you read anything posted from the GN video?  First, they were NEVER a fire hazard.  A melting connector is not a fire.  Secondly it has been shown it is a very tiny amount and likely mostly down to user error.

[Mark Kaine]

27 minutes ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

If you insist on brand new, buy a brand spankin' new 6900xt at $629, problem solved.

 

 

to be sure i just checked in my country,  the cheapest 3080 i can find are 750 (which roughly translates to 750 usd) *new* while most of the more expensive models are 1000, a water cooled evga for sub 1000!  Which im very tempted to buy rn! : D

 

i kinda have a hard time believing its much more or at all more "expensive" in northamerica (which OP seems to imply)?

[Omga4000]

15 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

i kinda have a hard time believing its much more or at all more "expensive" in northamerica (which OP seems to imply)?

The cheapest one I've found is being sold for 779$ right now: https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3080-gaming-z-trio-10g-lhr/p/N82E16814137677

[Mark Kaine]

23 minutes ago, ewitte said:

First, they were NEVER a fire hazard

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/where there's smoke%2C there's fire

 

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26 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Has NVDIA still not recalled these cards

yep, it is unbelievable to me that they're still being sold...

 

 

7 minutes ago, Omga4000 said:

The cheapest one I've found is being sold for 779$ right now: https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3080-gaming-z-trio-10g-lhr/p/N82E16814137677

see? i dont even want to argue about what was said earlier or not, im just gonna say this is a really good deal,  its even a trio Z, not some palit lol ... and you really don't need a 4080, i think not?  i mean come on, this is basically 2000 series all over again,  which was a "slight" improvement for "a lot" more money (until the supers came along iirc)

[Omga4000]

10 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

see? i dont even want to argue about what was said earlier or not, im just gonna say this is a really good deal,  its even a trio Z, not some palit lol ... and you really don't need a 4080, i think not?  i mean come on, this is basically 2000 series all over again,  which was a "slight" improvement for "a lot" more money (until the supers came along iirc)

"Need" is a strong word. She wants to be able to run games with RT @ 4K, something the 3080 would struggle to do.

Not to say that the 4080 is superb at doing that, but it's definitely better than the 17 FPS the 3080 offers.

 

We've been compromising our entire life. Everyone who isn't rich has probably been experiencing thing similar to what I have.

When you're young you don't have the money and you tell yourself that playing on medium settings is fine for now.

When you're old then spending 1,200$ on a GPU is wasteful and you continue telling yourself the medium settings are fine.

 

I don't NEED a GPU at all, but I'll be lying if I said I didn't want a 4080/4090 and just run my games without thinking much of it, while enjoying the beauty of the technological advancements such as Ray-Tracing, Unreal Engine 5 and VR games at max settings.

Wish it was cheaper, but this is the current reality 

[heimdali]

35 minutes ago, ewitte said:

Did you read anything posted from the GN video?  First, they were NEVER a fire hazard.  A melting connector is not a fire.  Secondly it has been shown it is a very tiny amount and likely mostly down to user error.

Yes, that's why I asked.  Even if it's not a fire hazard, why don't they recall them and come up with a better connector that doesn't lead to such user errors.  They should have done better testing, shouldn't they?  And better, make cards with better power efficiency ...

 

[Chewyloop]

As somone who personally purchased a 4080fe, I can confirm this is 100% buyers remorse

[Omga4000]

19 minutes ago, Chewyloop said:

As somone who personally purchased a 4080fe, I can confirm this is 100% buyers remorse

This has been said like 20 times, are people unaware you can cancel and return products?

Or even "better" - act as a scalper and sell it for a profit.

[Chewyloop]

2 minutes ago, Omga4000 said:

This has been said like 20 times, are people unaware you can cancel and return products?

Or even "better" - act as a scalper and sell it for a profit.

After the dark clouds of remorse clear I'll be left with my awesome 4080 card.

 

Wisdom gained by decades of experience. Cheers.

[ewitte]

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

Yes, that's why I asked.  Even if it's not a fire hazard, why don't they recall them and come up with a better connector that doesn't lead to such user errors.  They should have done better testing, shouldn't they?  And better, make cards with better power efficiency ...

 

1. It is not really Nvidia's design

2. Really this has always had potential of happening. I've had it happen with an 8 pin 4-6 years ago.  Unless we want to recall everything that uses electricity...  At least they don't use open wires anymore!  Was watching videos about dangers around the house.  When electricity was first introduced wires were bare.

3.  It does have slightly (still almost nonexistent) more potential than 8 pin connectors but that is pretty much down to it being a brand-new standard.  There are already plans to make it more fool-proof.

 

Everyone just worries so much about something so little while half the world just risked their lives in a much more meaningful and dangerous way!

 

[Omga4000]

To everyone who was wondering about why the RTX 4080 was pretty much sold very quickly, this is likely because their stock was extremely low to begin with, at least according to Moore's Law Is Dead sources.

 

[-rascal-]

40 minutes ago, Omga4000 said:

To everyone who was wondering about why the RTX 4080 was pretty much sold very quickly, this is likely because their stock was extremely low to begin with, at least according to Moore's Law Is Dead sources.

 

It will depend on the region.

 

A friend of mine was showing me Reddit posts about RTX 4080's sitting on shelves unsold.

I'm just checking the nearby retailer (MemoryExpress here in Canada), and they have multiple brands and models still in-stock.

 

My nearby location alone:

• Gigabyte RTX 4080 Gaming OC -- 3
• Gigabyte RTX 4080 Eagle -- 2
• MSi RTX 4080 Ventus 3X OC -- 5
• MSi RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio -- 3
• Msi RTX 4080 SUPRIM X -- 2

No stock on the ASUS ROG / TUF / TUF OC variants.

Seeing NONE of the nationwide retail locations have them, including warehouse, I'm wondering if they just haven't received the ASUS shipments yet.

 

Best Buy still has MSi Gaming X / Gaming X Trio / ASUS ROG / TUF / Zotac models in-stock....

 

NewEgg Canada still have inventory for the Gigabyte Gaming OC / MSi Ventus / Zotac Trinity models.

[Spotty]

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[Majinhoju]

If consumers think something is overpriced then they should speak up and say it's overpriced.

[Omga4000]

38 minutes ago, Majinhoju said:

If consumers think something is overpriced then they should speak up and say it's overpriced.

Seems like people are doing just that.

[Omga4000]

4 hours ago, -rascal- said:

It will depend on the region.

 

My nearby location alone

Definitely.

Currently, there are 0 4080's in stock on BestBuy, Newegg and B&H in my region (US, WA).

It was gone in less than an hour and I've only seen 2 restocks which were sold very quickly.

 

[Shzzit]

23 minutes ago, Omga4000 said:

Definitely.

Currently, there are 0 4080's in stock on BestBuy, Newegg and B&H in my region (US, WA).

It was gone in less than an hour and I've only seen 2 restocks which were sold very quickly.

 

If it says unavailable nearby, means it’s in stock just not in ur region

[Omga4000]

22 minutes ago, Shzzit said:

If it says unavailable nearby, means it’s in stock just not in ur region

Yes, I mentioned "in my region" specifically.

I'm sure it's available elsewhere, somewhere. Not sure about the entire US stock.

[heimdali]

11 hours ago, ewitte said:

1. It is not really Nvidia's design

2. Really this has always had potential of happening. I've had it happen with an 8 pin 4-6 years ago.  Unless we want to recall everything that uses electricity...

Well, I watched the video gamers net made.  It comes down to contact resistance, which is a well known issue.  Apparently the card can draw up to 600W when overclocked.  600W at 12V means 50A.  AFAIK that's a current used for welding, or at least close to it.  Now look at the flimsy contacts and wires they're using and compare that to, for example, welding cables and contacts, or the cables used to jump start cars.  What NVIDIA does there is outright negligent and they have to know better.  And why do they use so many tiny contacts rather than two large ones able to carry all the current?  They created a recipie for failure.

11 hours ago, ewitte said:

  At least they don't use open wires anymore!  Was watching videos about dangers around the house.  When electricity was first introduced wires were bare.

Interesting, I didn't know they did that.

11 hours ago, ewitte said:

3.  It does have slightly (still almost nonexistent) more potential than 8 pin connectors but that is pretty much down to it being a brand-new standard.  There are already plans to make it more fool-proof.

Yes, those aren't ideal either.  They appear less flimsy, though, and they probably were designed for much less current.

11 hours ago, ewitte said:

Everyone just worries so much about something so little while half the world just risked their lives in a much more meaningful and dangerous way!

Which way is that?

[Chewyloop]

13 hours ago, Omga4000 said:

To everyone who was wondering about why the RTX 4080 was pretty much sold very quickly, this is likely because their stock was extremely low to begin with, at least according to Moore's Law Is Dead sources.

 

I got a 4080 FE direct from Nvidia website, processed by their only UK stockists (SCAN).

 

On the delivery box it literally said "Package 74/100" & "Total delivery quantity: 100"

 

Just 100 FE cards available sold from UK.... bananas.

[OU812]

On 11/17/2022 at 7:43 AM, Shzzit said:

He can’t mess up, it’s his money and he can do what ever he wants, the simple fact is you seem jealous you can’t afford one.

Just getting around to this, who said I cant afford one? Do you know me? Do you know my finances? Oh, you don't? That's cool, you do you boo.

[JimmyJJones]

On 11/16/2022 at 8:08 PM, GreatnessRD said:

This has to be an Nvidia sponsored post, right?

 

With that said, I do agree Nvidia can charge what they want. People just need to stop buying GPUs at stupid prices.

This has to be an scalper-sponsored post right?

[JimmyJJones]

On 11/16/2022 at 8:01 PM, Omga4000 said:

Is it ethical / good for consumers?

Yes it is.

 

Is it better for consumers to have to buy their cards on E-bay and possibly not get their warranties honored?

 

Is it better for consumers not to have a choice when buying their video card and simply having to buy whatever is available?

 

Is it ethical for AIB partners to jack up their prices by writing OC on a cheap ugly card with a cheap cooler slapped on it?

 

Is it ethical to set the price of your product so low  a cottage industry of scalpers is created?

 

What Nvidia is doing is completely ethical, good for the consumer, and good for Nvidia.

 

What's happening is a bunch of people who haven't designed anything more complicated than a backpack have gone out of their way to trash a company which is providing consumers with what they want.

 

https://wccftech.com/q3-2022-discrete-gpu-market-share-report-nvidia-gains-amd-intel-in-single-digit-figures/

 

There's only one reason for this.  AMD was making all of its money the past couple of years off of etherium miners - not gamers.  

 

You want to buy a 6950xt for $799?

 

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5618082700/us

 

lets look for that latest iteration of a 3080ti which was SOOoooo aweosome.

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-12gb-gddr6x-pci-express-4-0-graphics-card-titanium-and-black/6462956.p?skuId=6462956

 

Uh oh, can't buy it.

 

What?! I can't buy anything in the $900 range with decent RT?  What about this card?

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/gigabyte-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-oc-10gb-gddr6x-pci-express-4-0-graphics-card/6471960.p?skuId=6471960

 

$780, slower, and I need to wait 11 days to get it.  If only there were a $900 dollar Nvidia card coming out . . . you know  . . . like a 4080 12 gb. Oh well, gotta let the AIB people like ASUS and Gigabyte screw us over one last time, right?

 

Because letting the AIBs screw the customers is ethical and good for the consumer.  Thanks Youtubers!

 

AMD had a ton of money and refused to make a decent graphics card.  Instead they are relying on consoles and a bunch of fanbois buying their stuff.  Their graphics division does not seem very ethical.