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Your coffee knows where you poop - Tim Hortons caught tracking user location in Canada

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The Tim Hortons app has been collecting user location data since 2019, even when the app was not being used, with the help of an American based company called Radar. Canadian regulators started the investigation in 2020 after a journalist, James McLeod - Financial Times, claimed that the app tracked his location nearly 3000 times in a span of 5 months. After the reporter shared their story, Tim Hortons claimed that they removed the "geolocation technology".

The company is allegedly facing 4 class-action lawsuits because of this activity.

 

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An investigation led by Canada’s privacy commissioner found that, indeed, with the help of a U.S.-based company called Radar, Tim Hortons was able to collect data on its customers’ locations “as often as every few minutes.”

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Among many other locations, the app tracked McLeod each time he visited his parent’s farm in rural Ontario, while he was boarded a flight in Toronto and when he checked in to a Winnipeg hotel for a cousin’s wedding. “It bothered me,” McLeod wrote. “How many more times had Tim Hortons checked in on me? Was my coffee-ordering app tracking all my movements?”

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“This investigation sends a strong message to organizations that you can’t spy on your customers just because it fits in your marketing strategy,” said Michael McEvoy, British Columbia’s information and privacy commissioner. “Not only is this kind of collection of information a violation of the law, it is a complete breach of customers’ trust.”

 

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Tim Hortons was using a third-party service provider, Radar, to collect geolocation data of users. In August 2020, Tim Hortons stopped collecting location data.

However, the investigation found that there was a lack of contractual protections for users' personal information while being processed by Radar. The report describes the language in the contractual clauses to be "vague and permissive," which could have allowed Radar to use the personal information collected in aggregated or de-identified form for its own business. 

 

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More than one in 10 Canadians use the Tim Hortons app at least once a month. A 2020 report revealed that the mobile app could collect users’ location data, even when it wasn’t in use. Soon after, the federal Privacy Commissioner and counterparts in Alberta, British Columbia, and Quebec launched a joint probe into the matter.

The allegations also resulted in four class-action lawsuits against the fast-food giant in B.C., Ontario, and Quebec.

All of the legal actions scrutinize “the collection of geolocation data through the Tim Hortons mobile application,” Tim Hortons’ parent company, Restaurant Brands International Inc., has disclosed in earnings reports.

Lots of apps track location and other user data. However, the investigations and class actions claim the Tim Hortons app, which boasts over 4.3 million monthly active users, did not properly disclose the extent of information collection to users.

 

My thoughts

I'm honestly not surprised that it happened. Over the past decade or so, companies seem to have not been content with the profits that they had by selling a product, and saw fit to squeeze even more out of their customers by invading whatever privacy they had left. The investigations are a step in the right direction, and hopefully it acts as a warning for other companies.

Here's hoping they don't just get a slap on the wrist and a half-hearted finger wagging.

 

Sources

https://gizmodo.com/tim-hortons-app-spying-canadian-government-1849003291

https://www.reuters.com/technology/investigation-finds-tim-hortons-app-violated-privacy-laws-says-canadian-2022-06-01/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tim-hortons-app-report-1.6473584

https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/tim-hortons-app-location-tracking-probe-in-final-stages-says-privacy-commissioner/

https://www.priv.gc.ca/en/opc-actions-and-decisions/investigations/investigations-into-businesses/2022/pipeda-2022-001/

https://mashable.com/video/tim-hortons-app-privacy

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If your on an iphone you can just set it so it uses your location only when your using the app. problem solved. (or disable your location all together)

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11 minutes ago, SlidewaysZ said:

Disable your location people you don't need to walk around with the gps on and you don't need to leave the location permission on for an app

From what I gathered, it was an 'opt-out' sorta thing.

I know a bunch of people who never turn off their device's location toggle 'cause it was on by default, at least as far as I know.

1 minute ago, SignatureSigner said:

If your on an iphone you can just set it so it uses your location only when your using the app. problem solved. (or disable your location all together)

Same thing on Android, or at least Samsung, but I think this was happening before Apple introduced that (or before they expanded on it)

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3 minutes ago, SlidewaysZ said:

Disable your location people you don't need to walk around with the gps on and you don't need to leave the location permission on for an app

This is the exact thing I was up for yesterday night - checking my permissions for all my apps.

I love Samsung's Permission Manager, you can go to Settings > Privacy > Permission Manager and you can see all the categories of permissions and each of the apps that is using it.

I was surprised when I saw Domino's had permission to access location all the time.

I set most of my apps to ask every time and for some apps that require it all the time(e.g. weather), usually an approximate location also works.

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I'll advise everyone to check their permissions.

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Tim Hortons is still garbage and this is just more reason to stay away.

 

100% not surprised that a retail chain app is tracking you.  That's the whole point of it, along with giving you "rewards" to keep frequenting their establishment.  

 

 

 

 

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53 minutes ago, SlidewaysZ said:

Disable your location people you don't need to walk around with the gps on and you don't need to leave the location permission on for an app

I work in privacy and i don't care, why should you.

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2 hours ago, SlidewaysZ said:

Disable your location people you don't need to walk around with the gps on and you don't need to leave the location permission on for an app

You do realize it doesnt matter if you turn these options on or off. You can still be tracked very easily 

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1 hour ago, HomeBoi said:

I work in privacy and i don't care, why should you.

Seems like you care considering you are using an alias

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1 hour ago, SlidewaysZ said:

Disable your location people you don't need to walk around with the gps on and you don't need to leave the location permission on for an app

But how will the app know you're in the store to bug you?

 

BTW, Subway, 7-11, and McDonalds apps all do this. Though only the 7-11 app randomly thinks I'm in the store when I'm at home because it's that close.

 

To the extent that I care, they could have had this functionality by using a Free WiFi AP that acts as a beacon. So when the phone connects to the Free WiFi the app in the phone gets the store ID automatically. If they don't connect to the WiFi, then they don't care about any promotional/in-store mobile ordering.

 

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

You do realize it doesnt matter if you turn these options on or off. You can still be tracked very easily 

Well yes but your first layer is the most obvious one of not allowing gps access at the app level. If an app is trying to track you make it harder. Android and iOS all have per app security profiles that block whatever you want. Not to mention you can layer on location spoofing and if your really trying to be secure buy a Linux phone with hardware switches.

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23 minutes ago, SlidewaysZ said:

Well yes but your first layer is the most obvious one of not allowing gps access at the app level. If an app is trying to track you make it harder. Android and iOS all have per app security profiles that block whatever you want. Not to mention you can layer on location spoofing and if your really trying to be secure buy a Linux phone with hardware switches.

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This is why I don't opt into data surveillance systems or apps, even if there is a financial incentive to do so.

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Customers/users their data are the precious black oil so even if the companies are caught, they'll just continue doing that after a measly slap on the wrist.

Because fuck your privacy and fuck your concerns.

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4 hours ago, SignatureSigner said:

If your on an iphone you can just set it so it uses your location only when your using the app. problem solved. (or disable your location all together)

btw, this is a standard feature on 11 and up for android, I'm fairly certain it's in 10, but not too sure tho

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40 minutes ago, J-from-Nucleon said:

btw, this is a standard feature on 11 and up for android, I'm fairly certain it's in 10, but not too sure tho

Yep. And android 12 added an "approximate vs precise" location feature, so I can give all the apps that "NEED" my location only my city, and nothing more, and they will be happy.

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On 6/2/2022 at 9:22 PM, Caroline said:

How do you even work in privacy? it's not a job.

 

Anyway it's not like enabling a setting to put to sleep the GPS (it's never disabled) feature in a smartphone will greatly increase your privacy, after all... you're still using a smartphone.

You know working with GDPR and IT-Sec those fields tend to come up more than you'd think. Also yes privacy is a field of jobs.

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On 6/2/2022 at 2:44 PM, SlidewaysZ said:

Disable your location people you don't need to walk around with the gps on and you don't need to leave the location permission on for an app

There are means of still get tracked, even if you disable location on your phone... Mostly used by the FBI, CIA and any other agencies can track you just from your phone signal. They can check each phone mast/tower and get a rough idea to where you are. It's called Phone tower triangulation. 

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