A skipper and a hopper - 3090Ti benchmarks released

[williamcll]

At a whopping 450W and more, the 3090Ti is an expensive powerhouse like the 3090. Performance seems to be around 10% faster and some can OC to 2.2Ghz

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Considering the past 18 months of extreme GPU shortages and inflated GPU prices, you should definitely take the last line in the above table with a healthy serving of salt. There's a clear downward trend in recent graphics card prices, including a 25% observed drop in EU pricing during March, but we're not out of the woods just yet. Our latest data for the US using mid-March eBay GPU prices puts most of these extreme GPUs at around 30–50% over MSRP, except for the RTX 3080 (10GB) that's still floating at closer to double the MSRP. The (*cough*) 'good' news is that with a much higher starting MSRP, the actual RTX 3090 Ti prices may land a bit closer to Nvidia's hypothetical starting point — sort of like how the RTX 3080 Ti is only 30% over MSRP since it was priced over 70% higher than the 3080 as a baseline.

Moving past the pricing elephant in the room, there are some other eyebrow-raising items of note. We've long expected the memory to clock at 21Gbps, and credible rumors indicate that's a major reason for the two month delay in Nvidia spilling the beans on the 3090 Ti. The GPU also uses the fully armed and operational GA102 chip, sporting 84 streaming multiprocessors (SMs) and 10752 CUDA cores, with boost clocks about 200MHz higher than the RTX 3090. But there's a catch, and it's a pretty big one: The RTX 3090 Ti has a TBP (Total Board Power) rating of 450W, 100W higher than the 3090 and 3080 Ti. That's nearly a 30% increase in power use, which isn't too surprising given the higher boost clock and memory speed. So basically, Nvidia is pushing to the far right of the voltage/frequency curve and maxing out performance at the cost of higher power consumption. Considering the recent Nvidia Hopper H100 reveal, this could be a taste of things to come for the Ada / RTX 40-series graphics cards.

 

My thoughts

Everyone talking about GPU prices dropping and then this comes out, what's more a concerning issue is can people's power supply and home grid handle this much power? Also interesting note here that under the same clock the 3090Ti is still a percent faster than the 3090.

 

Sources

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-launches-at-1999-dollars

[Moonzy]

4 minutes ago, williamcll said:

under the same clock the 3090Ti is still a percent faster than the 3090

It has more cuda cores and such, iirc

It's not just the exact same silicon with extra frequency

 

Selling point is one sided VRAM so it's easier to manage?

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

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Nvidia Officially Launches 3090ti for $1999, Available Now, Anywhere from 5-14% Faster In Game than "Regular 3090". Currently available at microcenter and newegg. Bestbuy is later today. FE available at Bestbuy but apparently it is "limited edition" unlike the other FE's.

 

 

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Designed for the most demanding gamers, content creators and data scientists, the GeForce RTX 3090 Ti features a record-breaking 10,752 CUDA cores, and boasts 78 RT-TFLOPs, 40 Shader-TFLOPs and 320 Tensor-TFLOPs of power. And It's packed with 24GB of the fastest 21Gbps GDDR6X memory.

 

My thoughts

 Yawn. 33% more expensive for 5-14% performance gain. 285% more expensive than OG 3080 10gb for 15-20ish% performance gain. Sucks a huge amount of power. You want at least 1000w power supply. You will have to use the ugly 3x8pin to 12 pin dongle because the new pcie5 power supplies aren't out yet. 

 

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 https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-3090-ti-out-now/

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

3 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

It has more cuda cores and such, iirc

It's not just the exact same silicon with extra frequency

 

Selling point is one sided VRAM so it's easier to manage?

It should be easier to watercool with the one sided VRAM. No more "active backplate" or whatever needed. 

[Rauten]

I don't understand why this product exists.

 

Isn't there a Quadro, or AI accelerator, or anything else that could use this chip? I mean, sure, there will be a couple whackjobs with money to burn that will buy it, but with marginal gains and a ridoncolous MSRP (and who knows how expensive actual retail price will be!), who is the potential customer for this?

 

Miners doesn't really make sense to me. Prices are normalizing, meaning that even if they are a factor in the great GPU drought of 2021 (very likely, but debatable), they're no longer buying. Either because they're seeing Ethereum PoS coming, or are now just going to wait for the new cards at the end of the year, or... whatever possible reason, they're no longer buying, or at least not as much.

 

@Moonzy would you buy this? I mean, even if it's easier to cool due to memory placement, how long would the ROI on this monstrosity be?

[leadeater]

13 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

It's not just the exact same silicon

Well ahh technically.... oh never mind lol

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

27 minutes ago, williamcll said:

At a whopping 450W and more, the 3090Ti is an expensive powerhouse like the 3090. Performance seems to be around 10% faster and some can OC to 2.2Ghz

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My thoughts

Everyone talking about GPU prices dropping and then this comes out, what's more a concerning issue is can people's power supply and home grid handle this much power? Also interesting note here that under the same clock the 3090Ti is still a percent faster than the 3090.

 

Sources

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-launches-at-1999-dollars

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10074/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-suprim/index.html#Whats-Hot-Whats-Not

 

Some pretty neat things about the 3090ti in that article. The new GDDR6X runs SO much cooler than the old version on the 3090/3080/3080ti/3070ti. Like 65-70c instead of 100c+. I am not sure why the memory is running so much cooler. Also, the 3090ti is FHR. 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, Ryan829 said:

Also, the 3090ti is FHR

Like the normal 3090. Makes sense

[jasonvp]

16 minutes ago, Rauten said:

I don't understand why this product exists.

 

As I've explained on LTT a few times in the past: this is NVidia following the exact, same pattern they do with every previous generation.  The year they intend to change generations (eg: this summer), they also release a top of the top, best of the best version of the current generation.  That, and only that, is the reason this product exists.

 

They did it in the 2000-series, the 1000-series, the 900-series, etc, etc.  And they'll do it for the 4000 series, too.  On and on.  It's their usual cadence.

 

 

[WereCat]

Just now, Ryan829 said:

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10074/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-suprim/index.html#Whats-Hot-Whats-Not

 

Some pretty neat things about the 3090ti in that article. The new GDDR6X runs SO much cooler than the old version on the 3090/3080/3080ti/3070ti. Like 65-70c instead of 100c+. I am not sure why the memory is running so much cooler. Also, the 3090ti is FHR. 

Maybe they used better cooling for memory. People that mod their cards were able to shave off up to 40° C on their 3080/3080ti. 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

Just now, WereCat said:

Maybe they used better cooling for memory. People that mod their cards were able to shave off up to 40° C on their 3080/3080ti. 

Yeah that is what I am maybe thinking too. I am curious of the memory temps on the 3090ti FE, but they weren't sent to reviewers 

[Moonzy]

1 hour ago, Rauten said:

who is the potential customer for this?

3080ti was $2000 just weeks ago, so probably quite a number of people

 

1 hour ago, Rauten said:

Moonzy would you buy this?

No, probably not

Last time I bought a GPU was 3080ti at November for $1750, and that's a for "I'm curious" purchase than a for mining purchase

 

1 hour ago, Rauten said:

how long would the ROI on this monstrosity be?

At the current rate, assuming it's somewhat similar to the 3090 in term of mining characteristics (I'd say it might be more efficient due to less VRAM chips): 14 months if you can get your hands on $2000 card

 

But eth is going POS soon so the date is definitely not even accurate

[Dogzilla07]

Damn, the MSI 3090 Ti Suprim looks insane, even better cooling than EVGA FTW3. And it shows as tied with the Asus 2x120mm Liquid Cooled. low temps, low noise, extra room, very over-built for ~530w. Possibly never before seen heatpipe design, etc.

 

Also, first proper rectangular heatpipes possible for the MSI 3090 Ti Suprim (awesome novel manufacturing capability!), though someone mentioned Asrock 6900 XT OCF had oval heatpipes and guide channels like the MSI, and the Zotac AMP Extreme Holo:

 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

40 minutes ago, Dogzilla07 said:

Damn, the MSI 3090 Ti Suprim looks insane, even better cooling than EVGA FTW3. And it shows as tied with the Asus 2x120mm Liquid Cooled. low temps, low noise, extra room, very over-built for ~530w. Possibly never before seen heatpipe design, etc.

 

Also, first proper rectangular heatpipes possible for the MSI 3090 Ti Suprim (awesome novel manufacturing capability!), though someone mentioned Asrock 6900 XT OCF had oval heatpipes and guide channels like the MSI, and the Zotac AMP Extreme Holo:

 

EVGA has reallllllllly been slacking this generation. I usually love their cards, but I used to have a 3070 FTW3 and it just felt so "Cheap". EVGA seems to have cut corners this generation compared to ASUS and MSI. Also, the 3080/3090 FTW cards are RIDDLED with issues. Not just initial batches either, it is just a flawed card. I had a 1080ti from EVGA that was legitimately awesome. Idk what is happening to their company but i do not like it. Between the cost cutting and raising prices on warranties to crazy levels this year, they are going downhill as a company. Even with the EVGA que etc. and their easy RMA process, that does not redeem them in my opinion. 

[PeachGr]

2 hours ago, williamcll said:

home grid

Most heating devices use 2000-2500watts

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

7 minutes ago, PeachGr said:

Most heating devices use 2000-2500watts

Yeah, people are overestimating the issues there is going to be. Especially with the TDP's of Raptor Lake/Zen 4 apparently being reasonable. The average enthusiast who grabs a ~400w 4070 and ~180w Zen 4 Ryzen 7 will be more than ok, even with OC

[Taf the Ghost]

The Thumbnail for GN looks like GN Steve is about to drop an epic Wrestling Promo.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

The Thumbnail for GN looks like GN Steve is about to drop an epic Wrestling Promo.

That dude always looks so tired, he needs to hire more people. He is not Mr. 30k subs anymore (like when I started watching him). He can afford it. 

[porina]

Those thumbnails look as stupid as ever, but they have to get paid by luring in the stupid. This is the highest performing consumer facing GPU for now. It is not for everyone. I'm not going to buy it, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist for the people that will buy it. Both of them.

[Moonzy]

17 minutes ago, porina said:

Those thumbnails look as stupid as ever, but they have to get paid by luring in the stupid. This is the highest performing consumer facing GPU for now. It is not for everyone. I'm not going to buy it, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist for the people that will buy it. Both of them.

I've been thinking for quite some time that actually, these GPU makes some sense in term of pricing

 

Given you have a full high end PC setup that's worth $5000, would 10% more performance worth 10% more in term of total rig cost?

These aren't for people who have i5 and cheap setups, but they are the majority of people, and people do get green-eyed, I guess

And thus YouTubers have to cater to the majority of their audience

[Ydfhlx]

4 hours ago, williamcll said:

can people's power supply and home grid handle this much power?

Easily, your average kettle pulls 2kW

 

Anyway, this product is for people who barely care about this kind money. Y'all really think $2000 every couple of years is a lot for people who pay $4000+ for macbook or $1500 for iPhone?

 

It's not good value. But it was never meant to be. It is ultimate gaming card for people who don't care about money. And it fulfills that role decently well, since it is the fastest card without questions - 3090 was within margin of error from 6900XT in rasterisation.

[GhostRoadieBL]

4 hours ago, williamcll said:

can people's power supply and home grid handle this much power

Let's be honest, this will only be in mining rigs and reviewer's hands after launch. The odd few will make it to some streamers but I'd say 90% will be mining before the end of the year

[Moonzy]

25 minutes ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

Let's be honest, this will only be in mining rigs and reviewer's hands after launch. The odd few will make it to some streamers but I'd say 90% will be mining before the end of the year

What makes u think miners would want this product? Other than it's not LHR (which AMD cards aren't as well)

[Blademaster91]

2 hours ago, Ryan829 said:

EVGA has reallllllllly been slacking this generation. I usually love their cards, but I used to have a 3070 FTW3 and it just felt so "Cheap". EVGA seems to have cut corners this generation compared to ASUS and MSI. Also, the 3080/3090 FTW cards are RIDDLED with issues. Not just initial batches either, it is just a flawed card. I had a 1080ti from EVGA that was legitimately awesome. Idk what is happening to their company but i do not like it. Between the cost cutting and raising prices on warranties to crazy levels this year, they are going downhill as a company. Even with the EVGA que etc. and their easy RMA process, that does not redeem them in my opinion. 

Meh, every GPU maker has gotten cheap since the GTX 10 series, iirc Gamers Nexus explained this during the whole 30 series capacitor issue that GPU die pricing went up and AIB brands like EVGA or MSI only have so much room to design a board and cooler. The other reason I think is gamers care more about how much RGB the cards has than the actual build quality.

The only "cheap" thing I don't like about EVGA's lower end cards are bare copper heatpipes, like it can't cost that much more to nickel plate them, though I personally still prefer EVGA for their warranty policy, Asus warranty is really hit or miss, and I avoid MSI with all the shady things they've done.

2 hours ago, Ryan829 said:

Yeah, people are overestimating the issues there is going to be. Especially with the TDP's of Raptor Lake/Zen 4 apparently being reasonable. The average enthusiast who grabs a ~400w 4070 and ~180w Zen 4 Ryzen 7 will be more than ok, even with OC

There could be issues if an R7 and a mid range GPU are using over 600w combined, an RTX 3080 can already use over 400W with modded bios, and a R9 5900X can use up to 200W, the average enthusiast isn't going to spend extra on a full custom loop. And I think its an issue when desktop parts are less efficient than the previous gen.

2 hours ago, PeachGr said:

Most heating devices use 2000-2500watts

On a 240 volt grid sure, but 450W from a single GPU is still way too much.

[Moonzy]

16 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

the average enthusiast isn't going to spend extra on a full custom loop

The average enthusiast is also probably not the target audience of such a high wattage part, is that fair to say?