is this good enough for a pc?

[peepeepoopoo545]

Budget (including currency): $2500 CAD

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Games and School

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

This one: Also I am trying to get at least 100 fps on a Triple A game

Or this one:

 

 

[RONOTHAN##]

Between these two, 5600X system all the way. The 5700G should only really be used when you need the iGPU, if you're buying a dedicated card at the same time it doesn't really make much sense.

 

That said, these are very, very different systems. One's a 4000D, about as mid tower as you can get, and the other is NR200P, about as small form factor as you can get. Ideally you'd do a combination of the two, and run the mid tower with a 5600X rig, or the pricing usually works out better to run an i5 12400F in the mid tower system. 

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/C6YMZw

 

This is about as fast as the SFF rig, but cheaper than both of them. Just use the stock cooler (it's fine for the 12400F) and call it a day.

[Jonathan Lee]

First one would probably handle AAA games better. AAA games tend to be more multi-threaded and can benefit from higher core counts.

 

I would go with 12700, way better value and more prepared for future AAA titles. Example build:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700F 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($454.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Black Edition 66.47 CFM CPU Cooler  ($80.00 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 GAMING X AX DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($219.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Memory: ADATA XPG GAMMIX D10 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($139.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($229.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($1149.99 @ Memory Express) 
Case: MSI MAG FORGE 100R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Memory Express) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($87.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $2452.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-03-16 12:49 EDT-0400

[peepeepoopoo545]

Budget (including currency): $2500 CAD

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mostly Triple A games, and I have a lot of tabs on google chrome, overclocking

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I would prefer rgb and a quiet build. I also forgot to mention that I prefer AMD cpu's

 

[Jonathan Lee]

Here's a build you could go with:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($517.99 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black 82.51 CFM CPU Cooler  ($119.95 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 UD DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($267.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($229.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Challenger D Video Card  ($849.00 @ Canada Computers) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox TD500 ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ Memory Express) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $2359.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-03-16 20:27 EDT-0400

[peepeepoopoo545]

@Jonathan Leedo you think that the 

Cooler Master MASTERLIQUID ML240L will be better for cooling?

[Jonathan Lee]

Should be relatively similar, I did choose the top of the line air cooler. If you like the aesthetic though, I would go for it

[ExpiredPancake]

This is actually fairly similar to my build. If you like Trashy Rainbow Barf you'll love this. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LmmnH2

 

Some of the highlights: 

 

The IBuyPower Snowblind S, a case with a screen built into the glass for an awesome transparent screen effect. You can see it in action here.

 

the AData RGB SSD 

 

Cosair's RGB Power Supply

 

Arctic's Liquid Freezer 2 is probably the best AIO liquid cooler for the money, thankfully comes with an RGB variant. 

 

 

[peepeepoopoo545]

@ExpiredPancakeThat case isnt available to me for some reason, is there any other case 

 

Also are there any of these but with an amd cpu?

 

Budget (including currency):  $1500 CAD

Country: canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Games, and I have a lot of tabs open on chrome, overclocking

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I would prefer an amd cpu and i'm trying to score at least 100fps on modern games

 

[-rascal-]

9 minutes ago, peepeepoopoo545 said:

Budget (including currency):  $1500 CAD

Country: canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Games, and I have a lot of tabs open on chrome, overclocking

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I would prefer an amd cpu and i'm trying to score at least 100fps on modern games

 

 

What kind of games are you trying to get 100+ FPS on?
Also depending on the resolution (1080p, 1440p, 4K), you would need more compute power to maintain 100+ FPS.

 

Right now, GPU prices are still quite high.

An RTX 3060 / 3060 Ti alone is in the $500 ~ $900 range.

RTX 3070 is going to be $900+ .... which is already BIG chunk of your $1500 budget.

 

 

[peepeepoopoo545]

thanks, gues i'll just have to save up some more money for that performance, also I was trying to get it at 1080p

[-rascal-]

7 minutes ago, peepeepoopoo545 said:

thanks, gues i'll just have to save up some more money for that performance, also I was trying to get it at 1080p

 

Well, what games are you planning to play at 1080p?

 

Far Cry 6 on High settings @ 1080p -- something like a RTX 3060 or AMD RX 6600 would be do.

Cyberpunk 2077 on Ultra @ 1080p -- you probably want a RTX 3070 / 3080, RX 6800 XT, or better.

 

[peepeepoopoo545]

I just need an actual answer as to whether AMD or Intel is the better choice. Please add pros and cons for each company because i'm having a really hard time choosing between the two of them. I need to know for gaming and for lots of google chrome tabs being open

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

What specific chips are you looking at? What budget? Whts the rest of the build? Use case

 

There both pretty good options, and will preform fairly simmilar within a price bracket.

[Kilrah]

As usual the "better" choice entirely depends on what you want to do with it. And you want to compare products, not companies.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

It’s not a company vs company thing

some chips are better than others.

id hazard a guess that the new Ryzen 3 3100 is better than intels parts, but the 12700k  is kinda the best desktop chip bar threadripper (hedt) 

[Middcore]

19 minutes ago, peepeepoopoo545 said:

I just need an actual answer as to whether AMD or Intel is the better choice.

 

Anybody who would give you the kind of simple definitive answer you seem to be looking for would not be doing you a favor. 

[peepeepoopoo545]

Budget (including currency): $2500 CAD

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Games, overclocking, and lots of google chrome tabs

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I want to play at 1440p and score at least 100hz

[Guest]

Might help if you post the parts ? 

[Jonathan Lee]

Mostly opinion here, but here we go. Currently 12th Intel gen has better offerings over AMD for the same or similar price. You typically get a faster CPU (not by much) + some spare e cores for all the multi-tasking fun. When Zen4 launches, this can easily change though

 

Ryzen 5000 is currently a matured platform, so it's very reliable and stable with parts compatibility. You can also stick with Windows 10 for 5000 series, while 12th gen you ideally want to go to Windows 11. 12th gen Intel is relatively new, but haven't heard major issues with it that hasn't been resolved.

 

12th gen has future CPU's you can put on it's latest motherboards (B660/H670/Z690). I hear 13th and 14th gen may be compatible with the current motherboards. Ryzen 5000 has Zen 3D coming out, but I really don't think that's gonna matter much.

 

However, if you were to put them side by side and game, you probably wouldn't notice much of a difference. This will also change gen by gen. Sometimes AMD will be better, other times Intel will.

[IkeaGnome]

5 minutes ago, Jonathan Lee said:

However, if you were to put them side by side and game, you probably wouldn't notice much of a difference.

Can confirm. My 12900k and 5800x perform within margin of error of each other in games.

[Middcore]

Are you just asking if that budget is big enough?

[peepeepoopoo545]

@lee32uksrry

 

 

[IkeaGnome]

13 minutes ago, peepeepoopoo545 said:

@lee32uksrry

 

 

If you're getting a GPU with the build, there's not much reason to get the 5700g. The 5800x would be slightly quicker and $40 cheaper. There is a chance that the motherboard doesn't ship with a bios that supports the 5700g or 5800x. It does have BIOS flashback though. Just make sure the correct USB port is used to update BIOS.

 

Edit: I just saw the price on the SN350. That's way over priced. 

This is the changes I would make. 5800x instead of 5700g. 360mm AIO for it. Better M.2. The Airflow will do better with cooling, but still show off most of your RGB, and the price on a 750w RMx is a lot better. 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($344.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($119.00 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($101.85 @ Amazon) 
Total: $770.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-03-17 12:30 EDT-0400

[peepeepoopoo545]

@IkeaGnomeThe reason i'm getting the 5700g is because of the 8 cores. Also the 5800x is $40 more than the 5700g