Will the Tariff's affect canada too?

[Kazlehoff]

Saw the note about the tariffs going back into effect at the beginning of January on TechLinked. those are US tariffs but will they affect Canada as well?

[Kanna]

What is tariffs

[Moonzy]

idk bout canada but my country base their price on how much things cost in US + our own "tax" (in quotation because im pretty sure it's just BS reason for markup)

 

so yea it might affect you as well

[TetraSky]

10 minutes ago, Kanna said:

What is tariffs

The US imposed tariffs(tax) on goods coming from China, like electronics, hardware and what not.

 

Short answer : very likely, yes.

Long answer : We don't know for certain, if manufacturers cared about Canadian customers, they would export their stuff from China to Vancouver first and then move that stock to the US.

But it is unlikely that they would do that. As such, stocks will still go through the US, they will put the extra charge on the back of consumers and in the end, they lose nothing and we pay more for anything that went in the US first... Because that's what tariffs do. It doesn't encourage local spending, it doesn't make "China pay"... It just means we pay more for our stuff now.

[514_AppleGuy]

It might. But, to be quite honest, I really don't mind paying a slight premium if it helps diversify the supply chain away from a dictatorship.

[cm992]

12 minutes ago, 514_AppleGuy said:

It might. But, to be quite honest, I really don't mind paying a slight premium if it helps diversify the supply chain away from a dictatorship.

That would be nice but I'm not sure how that works when almost all the wafer fabs are almost all in China. From a quick search it appears that all of TSMCs fabs (they manufacter AMD) are in China and all but one of Samsungs 7 fabs are in China (they make nvidia 3000) but the one Samsung fab that isnt in China is in Texas but I dont think they even make the rtx 3000 because their website only lists 14nm as their smallest process and rtx 3000 is 8nm. As for intel 4 of their 10 fab locations are in the US

[Cyb3rBlitzX]

45 minutes ago, cm992 said:

That would be nice but I'm not sure how that works when almost all the wafer fabs are almost all in China. From a quick search it appears that all of TSMCs fabs (they manufacter AMD) are in China and all but one of Samsungs 7 fabs are in China (they make nvidia 3000) but the one Samsung fab that isnt in China is in Texas but I dont think they even make the rtx 3000 because their website only lists 14nm as their smallest process and rtx 3000 is 8nm. As for intel 4 of their 10 fab locations are in the US

TSMC is opening a Manufacturing Facility in Phoenix Arizona. No Idea how long before they'll be up and running or what they'll even be manufacturing. 

[514_AppleGuy]

57 minutes ago, cm992 said:

That would be nice but I'm not sure how that works when almost all the wafer fabs are almost all in China. From a quick search it appears that all of TSMCs fabs (they manufacter AMD) are in China and all but one of Samsungs 7 fabs are in China (they make nvidia 3000) but the one Samsung fab that isnt in China is in Texas but I dont think they even make the rtx 3000 because their website only lists 14nm as their smallest process and rtx 3000 is 8nm. As for intel 4 of their 10 fab locations are in the US

That's a half-truth at best. Most of TSMC's fabs are in Taiwan (an independent country), and not China. Almost 100% of all GPUs from both AMD and NVIDIA are made in Taiwan, which is *not* included in the China tariffs. 

The reason why prices might still increase is because physical assembly of the graphics card itself is done in China. It really has nothing to do with chip fabs.

[glimmingdjghost]

4 hours ago, Kazlehoff said:

Saw the note about the tariffs going back into effect at the beginning of January on TechLinked. those are US tariffs but will they affect Canada as well?

Likely, but if that is true it might be time to open up production facilities here in North America for computer parts

[Donut417]

54 minutes ago, glimmingdjghost said:

Likely, but if that is true it might be time to open up production facilities here in North America for computer parts

Yeah because these companies are are going to pay that kind of labor cost. Thats the reason they build them all in China, because labor is cheaper than in North America. Plus building production facilities take time, it wont solve the issue until those facilities are built and there is a possibly that the tariffs could go away by then. 

[dizmo]

5 hours ago, TetraSky said:

The US imposed tariffs(tax) on goods coming from China, like electronics, hardware and what not.

 

Short answer : very likely, yes.

Long answer : We don't know for certain, if manufacturers cared about Canadian customers, they would export their stuff from China to Vancouver first and then move that stock to the US.

But it is unlikely that they would do that. As such, stocks will still go through the US, they will put the extra charge on the back of consumers and in the end, they lose nothing and we pay more for anything that went in the US first... Because that's what tariffs do. It doesn't encourage local spending, it doesn't make "China pay"... It just means we pay more for our stuff now.

I'd say it's more on the retailer than the manufacturer. The manufacturer will ship where ever you want. It's the retailer that decides how that happens. It's very likely that the cost of shipping small shipments direct to Canada didn't make sense before, where it might now.

 

As for making China pay, it really depends on the product. In this instance, it doesn't really make sense, but tariffs do work if there's a similar product produced domestically. It'll be interesting to see what the new leadership does; maybe we'll see a change.

5 hours ago, 514_AppleGuy said:

It might. But, to be quite honest, I really don't mind paying a slight premium if it helps diversify the supply chain away from a dictatorship.

It doesn't really work like that. You'd need so much more than just simple tariffs to have that come to fruition, and it'd cost significantly more than it does now. Capital costs are a very real part of the puzzle.

4 hours ago, cm992 said:

That would be nice but I'm not sure how that works when almost all the wafer fabs are almost all in China. From a quick search it appears that all of TSMCs fabs (they manufacter AMD) are in China and all but one of Samsungs 7 fabs are in China (they make nvidia 3000) but the one Samsung fab that isnt in China is in Texas but I dont think they even make the rtx 3000 because their website only lists 14nm as their smallest process and rtx 3000 is 8nm. As for intel 4 of their 10 fab locations are in the US

They're made in Taiwan, not China.

10 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Yeah because these companies are are going to pay that kind of labor cost. Thats the reason they build them all in China, because labor is cheaper than in North America. Plus building production facilities take time, it wont solve the issue until those facilities are built and there is a possibly that the tariffs could go away by then. 

I mean...most things are so automated now that it wouldn't be that much of a stretch. A more likely course of action though is to open up manufacturing in India, where the wage is about 1/3 of what it is in China. Plus you have the advantage of opening business in a country with the second most English speaking population.

[Donut417]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

I mean...most things are so automated now that it wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

You have to buy land. Build a facility. I can tell you from personal experience that building materials in the US especially have gone up in price. You still need techs to maintain the robots and other things. You still need admin staff, etc. Even if they build it in Canada or Mexico it's likely the labor costs will still be too high. 

[dizmo]

7 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

You have to buy land. Build a facility. I can tell you from personal experience that building materials in the US especially have gone up in price. You still need techs to maintain the robots and other things. You still need admin staff, etc. Even if they build it in Canada or Mexico it's likely the labor costs will still be too high. 

Depends on how the administration looks at it; they might see having more and more production on US soil and not in the hands of other nations to be worth some added cost, possible tax breaks, etc.

[cm992]

 

11 minutes ago, dizmo said:

They're made in Taiwan, not China.

Then why are all the prices increasing because of the tariffs?

 

4 hours ago, 514_AppleGuy said:

That's a half-truth at best. Most of TSMC's fabs are in Taiwan (an independent country), and not China. Almost 100% of all GPUs from both AMD and NVIDIA are made in Taiwan, which is *not* included in the China tariffs. 

The reason why prices might still increase is because physical assembly of the graphics card itself is done in China. It really has nothing to do with chip fabs.

Well if the wafer fabs are in Taiwan but they send them to China for final assembly and the products get affected by the tariff anyway I don't see how that changes anything

[dizmo]

3 minutes ago, cm992 said:

Then why are all the prices increasing because of the tariffs?

 

Well if the wafer fabs are in Taiwan but they send them to China for final assembly and the products get affected by the tariff anyway I don't see how that changes anything

I wasn't referring to completed products, I was referring to your wafer fab comment. Which you now state yourself are in Taiwan.

[Donut417]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Depends on how the administration looks at it; they might see having more and more production on US soil and not in the hands of other nations to be worth some added cost, possible tax breaks, etc.

American's dont work for peanuts. We expect a fair wage, benefits like Health Insurance, Retirement, vacation time, etc. You add all that up and its not a nice number. If they low ball wages and benefits they will be in the same boat as Mc Donalds, Walmart, Amazon, etc. Where they cant find reliable help. Regardless the companies are getting tax breaks. They pay up with the right people. Im sure the cost of the tariffs is still lower than the cost of US/Canadian/Mexican labor. 

 

Then the fact is still that no one knows how long the tariffs are going to be in for. We dont know what the next administration will do. Plus like I said, it takes time to build new factories. Land is not cheap necessarily. Building materials are not cheap. Its a large investment. Keep in mind TSMC is building a new FAB and it was slated to take like 2 years. Thats a long fucking time to be waiting, and on top of the market is in a state of uncertainty. Some experts have predicted the US economy will take a hit starting in April. If that happens consumer spending will likely decrease, making increases of production a bad move. 

[Blademaster91]

5 hours ago, Kanna said:

What is tariffs

Basically an import tax.

4 minutes ago, cm992 said:

 

Then why are all the prices increasing because of the tariffs?

Other components like a GPU fan are made in factories in China, companies would rather pass that cost onto the consumer.

I noticed a tech news article mentioning the tarrifs causing Asus to raise their GPU prices, although Asus already has some of the most expensive Nvidia 3000 series GPUs, like a 3070 being way over MSRP its the price that the 3080 at MSRP would sell for.

[LogicalDrm]

2 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

I noticed a tech news article mentioning the tarrifs causing Asus to raise their GPU prices, although Asus already has some of the most expensive Nvidia 3000 series GPUs, like a 3070 being way over MSRP its the price that the 3080 at MSRP would sell for.

Talking about board-partner pricing and MSRP in same sentence is nonsense. When product goes to stores, or to end user, Asus already is manufacturer themselves. They aren't in any way bound to what Nvidia sets as their MSRP (you saying that indicates you don't understand the meaning of the acronym either). Asus pays licensing of board design, like most others. Some smaller board partners might get same reference board as what FE cards use, but bigger ones like Asus, MSI and Gigabyte make their own. Adding with firmware and cooler design, these are are Nvidia cards only because of technology used.

[Kazlehoff]

Sorry to pull up a post with no new posts for almost a week, but i talked to some friends who still work at my local computer store (Canada Computers. im a former employee too) and they let me know a couple things:

1: GPU's have already gone through one price increase (Two for staff. Price 0 (employee price) was bumped up to retail price, so no discount, because an employee was buying GPUs and scalping them. technically should be fired for it, b/c employee contract says Employee purchases have to be for the employee, not others, and not for resale, but no one knows if they really were fired.)

2: Stock for Asus GPU's may already be becoming problematic. head office had ordered the TUF 3060Ti from Asus, but had yet to even receive any, and the Asus GPU's were the ones with the longest pre-order queues. the store i went to did have a TuF 3070, but apparently same issue, they had received one batch, and now head office was waiting for another batch.

I ended up just going for it when my store said they had a couple of Gigabyte 3060Ti Pro OC Gaming models in stock (Part #: GV-N306TGAMINGOC PRO-8GD) and I'm satisfied with it. paid $723.19 after taxes ($639.99 pre-tax). imho if you are looking for a GPU right now, in Canada, i would just get what's available (unless it's one of the Non OC Zotac, an MSI Ventus, or a 'high end' (aka: Gamer and RGB Tax) 3060Ti. Like Seriously, why do the Asus Strix, Gigabyte Auros Master, EVGA FTW3 Ultra Gaming and MSI Gaming X Trio models exist in 3060 Ti variants. the EVGA and Gigabyte Aurous models currently cost more than a Gigabyte 3070 Eagle, and the Asus and MSI cards are only $10 less than a 3070. Waste of money, imo.

If you are trying to locate a 30 series card, And live near a Canada Computers, what i found to be best is this.

Go to the CC website. Browse to the Video card section. (shop products/computer components/video cards/desktop graphics cards). select the models in your budget. dont select anything to do with brand or anything else. just the models. sort by price. when the page reloads with your filters in place, scroll all the way to the bottom to ensure everything is loaded, then find on page (Ctrl F) "Available In". this will highlight all instances of the phrase "Available in stores" allowing you to filter out the "In Store Back-Order" entries.

Open each card available in stores in a new tab. go through those tabs, clicking on the Availability box to see what stores have the product available. once you locate one that's near your address, go to the store and buy. its not a guarantee because others will do the same, so dont be mad if they sell it before u get there, but this helped me track down a card within a couple days, for retail pricing.

i hope my experience here helped others.