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AMD RX 6800XT AIB synthetic benchmarks: Pure rasterized faster than RTX 3080, RT on par with RTX 2080 Ti

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2 hours ago, FaxedForward said:

I personally disagree. DLSS' biggest limitation is that it's not universally supported and Papa Nvidia has to bless your game with AI training to enable it. It's not like an API where the developers can just choose to incorporate it at will. There are less than 20 games that currently support it and only about 25 more with future support announced.

 

I think it would be fair if it was universally available, but Nvidia gets to cherry pick the titles it supports with AI training. So to compare only DLSS-enabled titles and say the 3080 is the best card because it's faster in ~50 out of thousands of PC titles is kind of silly. Pure raster vs pure raster is an objective standard.

 

This is the same thing we saw with S3 and the MeTaL API 20 years ago, it blew the doors off 3dfx/ATi/Nvidia in the small number of titles where it was supported but was objectively inferior elsewhere. Times have changed in a lot of ways but back then consistent performance with no tricks ultimately won out.

Your info is wildly out of date, DLSS doesn't need specific AI training anymore as of version 2.0. Implementing it now is only slightly more difficult than implementing TAA.

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Good cause i dead set on going with AMD. If there's one thing that i learned with my friend's 1060 after my 390 left me on foot, is that Nvidia still has issues with Linux. On Ubuntu 18.04LTS getting random screen flickers, on wake up from a standby my browser session turns into a rainbow of colors, audio output stuck on hdmi when i want it out of the aux ports for speakers and headphones.

Tried both open and nouveau drivers, tried removing radeon pro drivers to see if that wasn't causing the issue, tried purging oibaf repo and revert to LTS mesa, all to no avail. Only thing o haven't is upgrading to 20.04, but that is far to early from my usual schedule (when support for the previous LTS drops, so in 3 years from now).

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1 minute ago, illegalwater said:

Your info is wildly out of date, DLSS doesn't need specific AI training anymore as of version 2.0. Implementing it now is only slightly more difficult than implementing TAA.

But it still needs game specific implementation and a lot of games with older DLSS implementation are stuck with that. Like Metro Exodus that can only run the terrible initial DLSS versions. I'm gonna be hyped when it's something that runs by default internally and doesn't care whether game supports it or not. Then DLSS will be an amazing feature. But until that happens it's very much gimmicky even though it shows a lot of potential. The sooner NVIDIA figures this out, the better. And it would also mean a serious performance edge over AMD without using brute force on HW level.

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1 minute ago, RejZoR said:

But it still needs game specific implementation and a lot of games with older DLSS implementation are stuck with that. Like Metro Exodus that can only run the terrible initial DLSS versions. I'm gonna be hyped when it's something that runs by default internally and doesn't care whether game supports it or not. Then DLSS will be an amazing feature. But until that happens it's very much gimmicky even though it shows a lot of potential. The sooner NVIDIA figures this out, the better. And it would also mean a serious performance edge over AMD without using brute force on HW level.

It will for any game supporting TAA once 3.0 comes out.  Probably if they released it with the new cards the drivers would have had too many issues.

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6 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

But it still needs game specific implementation and a lot of games with older DLSS implementation are stuck with that. Like Metro Exodus that can only run the terrible initial DLSS versions. I'm gonna be hyped when it's something that runs by default internally and doesn't care whether game supports it or not. Then DLSS will be an amazing feature. But until that happens it's very much gimmicky even though it shows a lot of potential. The sooner NVIDIA figures this out, the better. And it would also mean a serious performance edge over AMD without using brute force on HW level.

Meh. I don’t see the problem with game specific implementations. A lot of gaming tech is done like that even “basic” things like AA or shadows. Also DLSS 2.0 is being adopted at an insane rate for something that’s proprietary, exclusive to RTX GPUs, and only came out this year. 

4 minutes ago, ewitte said:

It will for any game supporting TAA once 3.0 comes out.  Probably if they released it with the new cards the drivers would have had too many issues.

3.0 is fake lol, it was more MLID bullshit. 

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2 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

Now they just need something like DLSS 2.0, otherwise NVIDIA will again be performing better due to the tensor cores doing their magic. Of couse only in future games with proper DLSS implementation ;) 

DLSS is going to be the next PhysX there's no doubt about it. Well actually you need a GPU first to use DLSS which isn't happening anytime soon

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25 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

But it still needs game specific implementation and a lot of games with older DLSS implementation are stuck with that. Like Metro Exodus that can only run the terrible initial DLSS versions. I'm gonna be hyped when it's something that runs by default internally and doesn't care whether game supports it or not. Then DLSS will be an amazing feature. But until that happens it's very much gimmicky even though it shows a lot of potential. The sooner NVIDIA figures this out, the better. And it would also mean a serious performance edge over AMD without using brute force on HW level.

A lot of games? How many do you think there are? From the top of my head i only know Metro Exodus, Final Fantasy XV and Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Battlefield V that run the first version of DLSS.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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18 minutes ago, illegalwater said:

 

3.0 is fake lol, it was more MLID bullshit. 

I saw it other places so didn't realize it was him although most of what he has put out has been correct...

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1 minute ago, ewitte said:

I saw it other places so didn't realize it was him although most of what he has put out has been correct...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_learning_super_sampling#DLSS_1.0

 

There are 2 iterations of DLSS 2.0, maybe this is your infamous "3.0".

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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5 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

A lot of games? How many do you think there are? From the top of my head i only know Metro Exodus, Final Fantasy XV and Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Battlefield V that run the first version of DLSS.

2.0 support for 2020 (some of this seems to be 1.0)

 

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51 minutes ago, ewitte said:

Me too I would have considered AMD if it was out at the same time but extra waiting time especially considering they are not releasing AIB models at the same time.

From what I've read every card AMD is releasing at launch will come with AIB cards. Except the 6900XT, which will initially be reference only. 

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2 minutes ago, Random_Person1234 said:

From what I've read every card AMD is releasing at launch will come with AIB cards. Except the 6900XT, which will initially be reference only. 

What I hear is they aren't even giving the GPU to AIB partners for testing until after release to control leaks... I guess we should know in 5 days.

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3 minutes ago, ewitte said:

What I hear is they aren't even giving the GPU to AIB partners for testing until after release to control leaks... I guess we should know in 5 days.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800xt-board-partner-card-allegedly-features-a-2577-mhz-boost-clock

The chart on the bottom shows that everything except the 6900XT will have AIB cards at launch. But you're right, we should know in 5 days.

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9 minutes ago, ewitte said:

What I hear is they aren't even giving the GPU to AIB partners for testing until after release to control leaks... I guess we should know in 5 days.

Also, the leak OP posted is from an AIB 6800XT.

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19 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

A lot of games? How many do you think there are? From the top of my head i only know Metro Exodus, Final Fantasy XV and Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Battlefield V that run the first version of DLSS.

And how many run the new one? Like 3 out of which it's always Control getting dragged around. Support is just pathetic even after all this time. Which is why do it game agnostic or GTFO.

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1 hour ago, Hymenopus_Coronatus said:

Asobo may choose to implement DXR in FS2020 once it switches to DX12, and if they implement DLSS it will be the kind of option you have to turn on considering how low frame rates in flight sim are to begin with

I wonder if that's possible, with FS being based on real photos not a limited amount of textures, the learning process might take nearly infinite resources in comparison to 'normal' games. I hope I'm wrong.

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the learning process might take nearly infinite resources in comparison to 'normal' games. I hope I'm wrong.

It may just end up being RT only. In that case Nvidia would have a huge advantage, as every bit of RT perf counts

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20 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

And how many run the new one? Like 3 out of which it's always Control getting dragged around. Support is just pathetic even after all this time. Which is why do it game agnostic or GTFO.

"Even after all this time” dude DLSS 2.0 only came out this March.

 

Also off the top of my head, out now:

Control

Death Stranding

F1 2020

Wolfenstein: Youngblood

Minecraft RTX

Fortnite

Deliver Us The Moon

Marvel’s Avengers

Mechwarrior V

Unreal Engine 4

 

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Cyberpunk 2077

Watchdogs Legion

Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War

Ghostrunner

Mount & Blade II

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If this is true then I would expect AMD to price their card similarly to the RTX 3080, but all AMD has to do is actually make their card available.

This raster performance "leak" would be reasonable enough if it's anything like the 5700XT compared to the RTX 2070 the performance was very close.

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3 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

I still think it's fair to include the DLSS enabled performance in games that support it because it's a no-brainer enabled setting. Or what would you do if you had the choice to run a game at 60 or 90 fps with everything else staying the same?

I'm talking about game for game benchmarks. For example when i shop a GPU i look at the performance for the games i want to play. Also it doesn't depend on per-game training anymore. It's a universal algorythm now. But there is the point that the devs will have to work with NVIDIA to get it implemented.

Hardware Unboxed revisited the games that currently support DLSS. And basically the conclusion was that it looks basically as good as native on the "performance" modes and sometimes even slightly sharper than native on the "quality" modes while still unlocking more performance.

 

Think what you will about DLSS, but it will be a huge argument in future titles imo. Especially AAA titles will likely include DLSS for the most part in future releases. And what end-user really cares if the performance they see is raw core performance or AI upscaling performance if the result is basically just better performance either way?

What this seems to be is “if DLSS is set up for a game by Nvidia it matters”, whereas if it is not set up by Nvidia for a game it doesn’t.  There is an assumption that it will become ubiquitous.  IF it becomes ubiquitous this may be true.  It hasn’t yet though, and may not.  This seems to be a bit like dual GPUs.  It helps in some games if the game is set up to use it, but if the game isn’t, it doesn’t.  Whether it is or not is totally dependent on how common it becomes. There was a period where many games had dual gpu support, and dual GPUs was considered viable.  That number dropped though and while dual GPUs are still supported on some games it’s become rare enough that dual gpu is seen these days to be more or less pointless.

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If this is true then I would expect AMD to price their card similarly to the RTX 3080, but all AMD has to do is actually make their card available.

This raster performance "leak" would be reasonable enough if it's anything like the 5700XT compared to the RTX 2070 the performance was very close.

If they actually match or beat the 3080 I think they should charge the same price, it’s time for AMD to stop being the budget brand. 

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9 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

There was a period where many games had dual gpu support, and dual GPUs was considered viable.  That number dropped though and while dual GPUs are still supported on some games it’s become rare enough that dual gpu is seen these days to be more or less pointless.

DX12 and expecting the developer to deal with it killed dual GPUs.  Especially considering a well optimized DX12 or Vulkan title doesn't need it.  I'm excited for what will come from GPU "chiplets" though.

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18 minutes ago, illegalwater said:

"Even after all this time” dude DLSS 2.0 only came out this March.

 

Also off the top of my head, out now:

Control

Death Stranding

F1 2020

Wolfenstein: Youngblood

Minecraft RTX

Fortnite

Deliver Us The Moon

Marvel’s Avengers

Mechwarrior V

Unreal Engine 4

 

Upcoming:

Cyberpunk 2077

Watchdogs Legion

Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War

Ghostrunner

Mount & Blade II

Is 7 months supposed to be quick? 

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13 minutes ago, illegalwater said:

If they actually match or beat the 3080 I think they should charge the same price, it’s time for AMD to stop being the budget brand. 

I always roll my eyes really hard when people expect AMD to be charity just because it's AMD. You should see the news section for Zen 3 processors where people are outraged that AMD dares to charge more for their latest flagship processors than last generation.But when Intel does it everyone is like "shut up and take my money". It's just so hilarious.

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4 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

I always roll my eyes really hard when people expect AMD to be charity just because it's AMD. You should see the news section for Zen 3 processors where people are outraged that AMD dares to charge more for their latest flagship processors than last generation.But when Intel does it everyone is like "shut up and take my money". It's just so hilarious.

I think its more a case that, without competition prices have continued to rise.

Now that we're seeing competition people are expecting prices to lower down to more reasonable levels, so when they dont, they get mad.

 

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