10600k + 3080 ?!?!

[Lordxmackenzie]

Before I make a boo boo and order myself a 3080 to go in my new i5-10600k build.. I’ve been told it will bottleneck.. 

I know gpu bottlenecking is usually a good thing but is it worth picking up a 2080ti/super instead or will I still see the increased performance from a new card? 

[IAcKI]

It won't be a boo boo, get the best you can buy and enjoy your new PC.

[DoctorNick]

Won't bottleneck. Especially if you have 1440p or higher resolution And you can always overclock the CPU

[Lordxmackenzie]

2 minutes ago, DoctorNick said:

Won't bottleneck. Especially if you have 1440p or higher resolution And you can always overclock the CPU

Unfortunately I’ve only got 1080p right now but a 1440p was next on the cards after Christmas aha 

[Chris Pratt]

11 minutes ago, Lordxmackenzie said:

Unfortunately I’ve only got 1080p right now but a 1440p was next on the cards after Christmas aha 

Any CPU will be a bottleneck for the 3080 at 1080p. There is nothing fast enough.

 

The 3080 is a 4K card. It's overboard even for 1440p. Personally, I'd snag a 3070 or may be even a 3060 once those are out, and save some cash, if you're only going to be doing 1440p at max.

[WereCat]

it will be fine 

[Lordxmackenzie]

5 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

Any CPU will be a bottleneck for the 3080 at 1080p. There is nothing fast enough.

I assumed I’d need to up my display even if I dropped to a 20 series card, so if I got a 1440p monitor the bottleneck wouldn’t be bad? 

[boggy77]

25 minutes ago, Lordxmackenzie said:

is it worth picking up a 2080ti/super instead or will I still see the increased performance from a new card?

you will always see the increased performance from a better card, even if you have a dual core cpu.

so yes, go with the 3080, there is no point in getting last gen cards now, unless you find them used for cheap.

[DoctorNick]

4 minutes ago, Lordxmackenzie said:

I assumed I’d need to up my display even if I dropped to a 20 series card, so if I got a 1440p monitor the bottleneck wouldn’t be bad? 

You can always run DLSS, but yes get a new monitor.

[DoctorNick]

15 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

Any CPU will be a bottleneck for the 3080 at 1080p. There is nothing fast enough.

 

The 3080 is a 4K card. It's overboard even for 1440p. Personally, I'd snag a 3070 or may be even a 3060 once those are out, and save some cash, if you're only going to be doing 1440p at max.

A 4K card. That depends on what FPS target you're aiming for and will be different for every game.

[SkillTim]

In light of future upgrades, you should always buy the best you can afford. 3070 and 3080 are a similar value for money. It's whether you need the extra performance. I think 1440p @ 144Hz would be fine with either card. Bottlenecking is not used in the same way as it was 15 years ago and is no big deal. I wouldn't buy an old generation at this point for efficiency reasons.

[SkilledRebuilds]

2 trains.

Res Scaling. 1080p, use 150% and have cleaner images at distance for easier enemy acquisition.

If your CPU platform won't do 165fps+ then load the gpu up to where the CPU is fine.. say 85-100fps with a 150+ res scale..

Or.. manual tuning higher frequencies WHEN under 70% GPU LOAD 

Even if at 1440p you only get 60-70% GPU Loads then you can finetune the VoltageFrequency curve and ADD frequency at the TOPEND where underutilised shaders usually clock higher than mostly to fully loaded ones.

 

IE full usage at 4k and 8000 cores running 99% at say 1905Mhz and in 1440p its 60% and seeing higher clocks (1980-2015)due to having more power available (underutilised)

So setting a manual frequency in Afterburners curve so when its underutilised, and at higher volts with less power used, up those clocks, 2075-2100

 

I do this with my 2080Ti

When its under 70% usages or so, my clocks Now skyrocket to 2115-2175Mhz and dont sway that much.

 

Bottlenecked. MORE Frequency still wins.

[SkillTim]

7 hours ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

2 trains.

Res Scaling. 1080p, use 150% and have cleaner images at distance for easier enemy acquisition.

If your CPU platform won't do 165fps+ then load the gpu up to where the CPU is fine.. say 85-100fps with a 150+ res scale..

Or.. manual tuning higher frequencies WHEN under 70% GPU LOAD 

Even if at 1440p you only get 60-70% GPU Loads then you can finetune the VoltageFrequency curve and ADD frequency at the TOPEND where underutilised shaders usually clock higher than mostly to fully loaded ones.

 

IE full usage at 4k and 8000 cores running 99% at say 1905Mhz and in 1440p its 60% and seeing higher clocks (1980-2015)due to having more power available (underutilised)

So setting a manual frequency in Afterburners curve so when its underutilised, and at higher volts with less power used, up those clocks, 2075-2100

 

I do this with my 2080Ti

When its under 70% usages or so, my clocks Now skyrocket to 2115-2175Mhz and dont sway that much.

 

Bottlenecked. MORE Frequency still wins.

I think you'll find this video useful. A better optimised GPU still benefits any system. What people call a bottleneck these days should infact be called Game latency or Render latency depending on what you consider the "bottleneck". 

 

[Moonzy]

8 hours ago, boggy77 said:

you will always see the increased performance from a better card, even if you have a dual core cpu.

i find this hard to believe

source?

[SkillTim]

2 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

i find this hard to believe

source?

Totally true. I got a Celeron E3300 working great with a 1050 Ti installed instead of iGPU.

[Moonzy]

10 minutes ago, SkillTim said:

Totally true. I got a Celeron E3300 working great with a 1050 Ti installed instead of iGPU.

that's because you're GPU bound

 

I'm asking for sources to show me the difference between two GPUs in 0% GPU bound scenario.

[Bobbysixjp]

3080 is overkill for 1080p unless you play at high refresh with all settings ramped up to the max plus ray tracing, etc. 

[boggy77]

12 hours ago, Moonzy said:

I'm asking for sources to show me the difference between two GPUs in 0% GPU bound scenario.

i don't think you can have a cpu so weak that the gpu is at 0%, in any realistic scenario

[Moonzy]

44 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

i don't think you can have a cpu so weak that the gpu is at 0%, in any realistic scenario

My 2070S can be 0% GPU bound (not to be confused with GPU usage) by my 3900x in SOTR low settings

 

So I'm wondering if changing to 3070 would yield me better fps, judging by your statement

[boggy77]

21 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

0% GPU bound (not to be confused with GPU usage)

what is 0% GPU bound, I guess I'm confusing it with usage

[Moonzy]

7 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

what is 0% GPU bound, I guess I'm confusing it with usage

GPU bound is when rendering time on GPU is higher than CPU, meaning your performance is limited by the GPU

if it's 0% GPU bound, it means your gpu can render the frames faster than CPU can

so I expect virtually no gain in fps since it's entirely bounded by CPU's performance.

the frames might be pumped out ~0.5ms faster or something, but idk if that's measurable with our current displays at ~240hz (~4.1ms per frame)

(that might be why esport player are obsessed with top end hardware even though "they dont need it")

[Lordxmackenzie]

11 hours ago, Bobbysixjp said:

3080 is overkill for 1080p unless you play at high refresh with all settings ramped up to the max plus ray tracing, etc. 

165hz monitor atm so I’ll be pushing it but I’m going to be buying a 1440p soon anyway. No point in me going 4K with 60hz being the normal affordable monitors 

[Gohardgrandpa]

Buy the 3080 and enjoy having the settings cranked at 1080p, you’ll be getting a 1440p monitor soon enough anyways. 
 

I don’t know why this thread went off the rails talking about being gpu bound. Don’t worry about that stuff. 
 

You have a good cpu that will get great Fps in games, enjoy your setup