Y THOU

[PeachGr]

Nvidia series is coming out soon,all know it, everybody is talking about it, people even suggest builds with it (when nobody really knows price nor specs blah blah blah).

But why nobody is talking about AMD's variant?  5700xt was a solid opinion as things turn out. Maybe we have to start talking about "big Navi" as well?

[The_russian]

2 minutes ago, PeachGr said:

But why nobody is talking about AMD's variant?  5700xt was a solid opinion as things turn out. Maybe we have to start talking about "big Navi" as well?

People are talking about AMD's next gen graphics cards too, almost every time I see someone mention that Nvidia's cards are being released soon, they also say AMD's graphics cards are also going to be released soon. 

[Cyracus]

Well, Nvidia's track record at this point is rather good, AMD hasn't been competitive in the top performance tier for a while. Performance crown demands hype

[zeusthemoose]

I have seen many people (Including myself) recommend to wait for those as well. I believe the biggest reason that they are not talked about as much is there is still so much unknown about the launch. For example, the release date is complete speculation at this point whereas people are pretty sure ampere will be out in a matter of weeks to months. Another thing is the performance is not as good with big Navi. Leaks are showing it being slightly faster than a 2080 ti while ampere leaks estimate 20-50% improvements over the 2080 ti (and 4x performance in ray tracing).

[PeachGr]

20 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

I have seen many people (Including myself) recommend to wait for those as well. I believe the biggest reason that they are not talked about as much is there is still so much unknown about the launch. For example, the release date is complete speculation at this point whereas people are pretty sure ampere will be out in a matter of weeks to months. Another thing is the performance is not as good with big Navi. Leaks are showing it being slightly faster than a 2080 ti while ampere leaks estimate 20-50% improvements over the 2080 ti (and 4x performance in ray tracing).

Yeah but my point is, who cares about 2080ti? Most sold cards are 1060, 1660, 2060 super and 570/580/5700 etc. Cards between 200-450$. So the fight that most people care about is there

[Haro]

11 hours ago, PeachGr said:

. Maybe we have to start talking about "big Navi" as well?

every sentence that i have seen includes waiting for next gen gpus would include big navi, 

10 hours ago, PeachGr said:

Yeah but my point is, who cares about 2080ti? Most sold cards are 1060, 1660, 2060 super and 570/580/5700 etc. Cards between 200-450$. So the fight that most people care about is there

 im sorry but what do you mean? 

[zeusthemoose]

3 minutes ago, PeachGr said:

Yeah but my point is, who cares about 2080ti? Most sold cards are 1060, 1660, 2060 super and 570/580/5700 etc. Cards between 200-450$. So the fight that most people care about is there

those numbers are the only ones used for leaks as of now so it’s impossible to compare mid range cards now. that’s why it is necessary to infer that high end improvement will scale down and recommend based on that.

Nevertheless, it’s not as recommended to wait if you are getting planning on getting a low end card because those will be launching after the high end GPUs.

[The_russian]

9 minutes ago, PeachGr said:

Yeah but my point is, who cares about 2080ti? 

People that can afford it? People will always look at a companies halo product, so it does matter that AMD doesn't have an answer to the 2080ti. 

[mr moose]

14 minutes ago, PeachGr said:

Yeah but my point is, who cares about 2080ti? Most sold cards are 1060, 1660, 2060 super and 570/580/5700 etc. Cards between 200-450$. So the fight that most people care about is there

 

There are only two positions to take, 1. buy the best you can afford now or 2. if you can wait then wait and see what comes next.

 

If you aren't in a hurry then waiting can be advantageous regardless what tier you are buying. 

Buying the best you can afford now doesn't exclude any brand.  We have to remember that the budget is not just for the GPU, but is usually balanced across a whole system.

 

 

[Blue4130]

2 hours ago, PeachGr said:

Yeah but my point is, who cares about 2080ti? Most sold cards are 1060, 1660, 2060 super and 570/580/5700 etc. Cards between 200-450$. So the fight that most people care about is there

Same reason why people Drool over Ferrari instead of Honda.

[Mateyyy]

I and lots of other people on this forum also mention RDNA2 along with Ampere for future GPU releases.

 

If there are people only recommending waiting for Ampere, then either they're not aware of RDNA2 (less likely) or it's because they're not expecting AMD to suddenly take the performance crown in the GPU department from Nvidia, which is not at all unrealistic given the last ~6 years of GPU generations.

 

This raises another question though, why are we "only" suggesting waiting for Ampere and RDNA2, and not Intel Xe? 

[xg32]

3 hours ago, PeachGr said:

Nvidia series is coming out soon,all know it, everybody is talking about it, people even suggest builds with it (when nobody really knows price nor specs blah blah blah).

But why nobody is talking about AMD's variant?  5700xt was a solid opinion as things turn out. Maybe we have to start talking about "big Navi" as well?

it's still expected to be slower than nvidia's variant, while dlss 3.0 seems like free performance for games that support it. Along with the news that there will unlikely be partner models with custom pcbs for rdna2 until next year. It's gonna come out months after ampere and that already kills the hype.

[PeachGr]

15 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

not Intel Xe? 

I thought it was an integrated GPU. Is it new thing? I think I m behind the news here

[Beerzerker]

Back when I built the system I'm using now I could have bought a 2080 card but with the price difference between it and AMD's Radeon VII I coudn't justify paying twice the price for a card that would only beat it by a few percentage points in the majority of testing done.

I chose what would work for ME and my useage instead of listening to all the hype, got a Radeon VII and it's been all good.
Actually I got two of them, no probs with either one but do agree the issue with drivers in Windows is a put off.

Since I have this one running under Linux Peppermint 10 I really didn't have to worry over drivers, it picked up the card when I installed Peppermint and ran with it.

 

Linux Mint however is another story.......

[Mateyyy]

48 minutes ago, PeachGr said:

I thought it was an integrated GPU. Is it new thing? I think I m behind the news here

Pretty sure it's supposed to be a dedicated GPU, but who really knows at this point how it's actually going to turn out.

[PeachGr]

27 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Pretty sure it's supposed to be a dedicated GPU, but who really knows at this point how it's actually going to turn out.

So Nvidia buys arm, and Intel goes GPU? Like 2020 makes any sense

[zeusthemoose]

5 hours ago, Mateyyy said:

Pretty sure it's supposed to be a dedicated GPU, but who really knows at this point how it's actually going to turn out.

It was supposed to be, but there are rumors that intel is shutting down the program.

[Mateyyy]

16 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

It was supposed to be, but there are rumors that intel is shutting down the program.

Wouldn't be the first time that happens.

[Gohardgrandpa]

16 hours ago, PeachGr said:

Yeah but my point is, who cares about 2080ti? Most sold cards are 1060, 1660, 2060 super and 570/580/5700 etc. Cards between 200-450$. So the fight that most people care about is there

People driving 1440p monitors at 144fps at very high settings and 4k 60fps very high settings. 
I could afford to buy a 2080ti but I can’t justify it. If I was making money playing games then sure I’d buy one. I play dumb shit like siege casually, dead by daylight, fallout franchise. My 5700xt is more then enough for those games on high settings on my 1440p 144hz monitor.

 

I will say I won’t be buying a amd card again after the driver shit show I’ve had with the 5700 and 5700xt. I’ve never had issues with nvidia drivers and this is going back to the 8800gt. I’ll buy the rtx 3070 or 3060 when they come out because I’m sure it will outperform my 5700xt, run cooler and have better drivers. Just depends on what card I can get my hands on first I’ll buy I’ve already got my video card listed online for sale for $300. I’ll use my crap gtx760 back up on my spare 1080p monitor til the new cards come out. 

[BTGbullseye]

16 hours ago, PeachGr said:

So Nvidia buys arm, and Intel goes GPU? Like 2020 makes any sense

It actually makes perfect sense. AMD has been doing CPU+dGPU+iGPU for decades... Intel has been doing CPU+iGPU for decades... NVIDIA has been doing GPU only. Diversification is a great way to not have your company die if say the GPU side of things stops being as profitable as other companies. (which is exactly where AMD has been hitting Nvidia since the RX 400 series, not the ultra-high-end, just the most profitable areas)