AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G APU Performance Tests and Results

[Okjoek]

How much performance will we see from these sort of APUs when the switch to DDR5 happens? 

[RIPKABY]

13 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Unfortunately you'll never find out. The 4000 series APUs will be OEM parts only in the vast majority of the world (unless something changed within the last few days?), the only way you'll ever get your hands on one is to buy an OEM PC with one in or on the used market.

As said in OP, the 4650G is HKD1799 / USD239, i.e. €198. Also the 4650G and 4750G is widely available in every computer hardware retail store in Hong Kong, with non-box warranty as well, not like they could only be found in eBay or used markets. There said, its very typical of OEM parts to be distributed in retail stores in Hong Kong, like 3500X, Samsung SM961 (OEM version of 960 pro), PM981, etc.

[porina]

2 hours ago, Okjoek said:

How much performance will we see from these sort of APUs when the switch to DDR5 happens? 

It'll certainly help, but how much depends on how limited the task it is doing.

 

Some illustrative comparison numbers:

 

Dual channel ram 3200 - 51.2 GB/s

Dual channel ram 3600 - 57.6 GB/s

Two module DDR5 ram 4800 - 76.8 GB/s

Two module DDR5 ram 6400 - 102.4 GB/s

I'm saying two module, because each module in DDR5 is itself dual channel, but each channel is half the size of DDR4, so not really a gain from that perspective. I'm assuming two modules would still be a typical configuration for mainstream.

 

Intel Iris Pro on Broadwell iGPU eDRAM/L4 cache - 50 GB/s

 

1030 GDDR5 - 48 GB/s

1050 GDDR5 2GB - 112 GB/s

1650 GDDR5 4GB - 128 GB/s

 

RX550 2GB - 112 GB/s

RX580 8GB - 256 GB/s

 

Values listed are the theoretical maximum bandwidths. I don't know how effective each implementation is at realising such performance. Practical bandwidth may be a good bit lower. Also it should be obvious, on an APU or CPU with iGPU, both the CPU cores and GPU parts will share the bandwidth.

[Kisai]

6 hours ago, RIPKABY said:

As said in OP, the 4650G is HKD1799 / USD239, i.e. €198. Also the 4650G and 4750G is widely available in every computer hardware retail store in Hong Kong, with non-box warranty as well, not like they could only be found in eBay or used markets. There said, its very typical of OEM parts to be distributed in retail stores in Hong Kong, like 3500X, Samsung SM961 (OEM version of 960 pro), PM981, etc.

That was NCIX's entire business model at some point. Selling OEM parts. MemoryExpress and Canada Computers only sell OEM versions of Windows and the odd OEM CPU part that goes into servers, but the rest of the OEM categories just vanished with NCIX. There's a bunch of unbranded OEM Chinese motherboards on newegg however, along with some OEM labeled Intel CPU's and SDD/HDD's. Very slim pickin's

 

[AndreiArgeanu]

I could be wrong but from what I've seen, the 4750G only has 8 graphical cores just like the 3200G but on steroids running at 2100mhz compared to 1250mhz on the 3200g, if such power can be found in the next gen consumer AMD APU's like the 4200G, they'd make for some amazing low budget builds.

[Master Disaster]

12 hours ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

I agree, it’s great that it can match something that came out 7 years ago. 

Not the point, this is an APU that costs around $30 more than its retail CPU counterpart that has CPU performance within spitting distance and a GPU that is so far ahead of anything else available its not even a competition.

 

If this thing does go retail it will mean casual gamers can buy a single component to do the job of 2 (saving hundreds on the GPU) and still be able to play just about any game that's currently available at 1080p with at least medium fidelity.

[mr moose]

39 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Not the point, this is an APU that costs around $30 more than its retail CPU counterpart that has CPU performance within spitting distance and a GPU that is so far ahead of anything else available its not even a competition.

 

If this thing does go retail it will mean casual gamers can buy a single component to do the job of 2 (saving hundreds on the GPU) and still be able to play just about any game that's currently available at 1080p with at least medium fidelity.

I don't know about where you are, but my experience is that these things are priced almost perfectly in that you pay more you get more or you pay less you get less.  It's something that pisses me off because I am always looking to save a few dollars but generally those dollars mean a feature or advantage so the decision seems to get harder not easier.

[RejZoR]

On 7/26/2020 at 4:33 PM, porina said:

Where did you get 1050 from? Based on OP it is only a bit faster than a 1030 in more complex graphical loads which is a potato for gaming. 1050 is much faster than that.

And yet even GTX 1050Ti is still terrible for gaming. I mean, sure you can game on it, but when I had it as backup replacement for a short while, I could barely game on it at low details at 1080p. So, nothing too wild yet it could hardly run games. And I'm not even talking brand new games, like several years old Need for Speed and Killing Floor 2...

[Master Disaster]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

And yet even GTX 1050Ti is still terrible for gaming. I mean, sure you can game on it, but when I had it as backup replacement for a short while, I could barely game on it at low details at 1080p. So, nothing too wild yet it could hardly run games. And I'm not even talking brand new games, like several years old Need for Speed and Killing Floor 2...

Stick it next to an Intel UHD630 and watch how far ahead it is.

 

I mean seriously, AMD release an APU that can run modern games at decent quality 1080p and all you guys keep parroting is "well it still isn't as fast as my dedicated card". No shit, its an APU. It is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than other APUs.

 

If it doesn't interest you then that's fine but please don't try and say its not a good product.

 

Also I assume you missed (or ignored) the video of a 4700G playing Death Stranding on 1080p High and maintaining 30 FPS. We've literally already seen that it can outperform your expectations.

[porina]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

And yet even GTX 1050Ti is still terrible for gaming. I mean, sure you can game on it, but when I had it as backup replacement for a short while, I could barely game on it at low details at 1080p. So, nothing too wild yet it could hardly run games. And I'm not even talking brand new games, like several years old Need for Speed and Killing Floor 2...

 

6 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Why are you all so obsessed with comparing this APU to dedicated GPU hardware? Stick it next to an Intel UHD630 and watch how far ahead it is.

 

Both perspectives apply here. On one hand, it is good we see any uplift on the low end like this. On the other hand, it is still at a low level so there will be significant limits to what it can usefully do. The question isn't so much how fast it is, but is it "good enough" for particular tasks. It will be "good enough" for more tasks than say an Intel iGPU for now, but that's setting a low bar for comparison.

 

Personally I see the 1050 as the minimum level for 1080p60 low gaming. Sure, some games will do better than that, others may do worse. As most of us here are more invested in the desktop side. Relating it to a know performance level is useful in seeing how it fits performance wise.

[Master Disaster]

13 minutes ago, porina said:

 

 

Both perspectives apply here. On one hand, it is good we see any uplift on the low end like this. On the other hand, it is still at a low level so there will be significant limits to what it can usefully do. The question isn't so much how fast it is, but is it "good enough" for particular tasks. It will be "good enough" for more tasks than say an Intel iGPU for now, but that's setting a low bar for comparison.

 

Personally I see the 1050 as the minimum level for 1080p60 low gaming. Sure, some games will do better than that, others may do worse. As most of us here are more invested in the desktop side. Relating it to a know performance level is useful in seeing how it fits performance wise.

I fully acknowledge it will only really be useful for a small handful of people. At the very low end (office PC type stuff) you wouldn't really want a GPU that powerful nor the cost involved either and at the higher end people will be running dedicated GPUs anyway but for the people in the middle who maybe want a PC to do Excel/Photoshop etc etc by day and then to play some GTA V at night, well it offers them a significant saving since they would have been buying an RX560 or GTX1050 to do that job, now they don't need to.

 

As I edited in above, yes its still relatively low end in dedicated GPU terms but for an APU its a huge leap forward. Doing a direct dedicated GPU to APU comparison is not really fair since its not a dedicated GPU, to be fair it must be compared to other APUs/iGPUs. Some places say it can match a 1030, others say it can match a 1050 but the point is it costs $30 extra on the price of the CPU you would be buying anyway. A GTX 1030 will cost you somewhere close to $100, a 1050 is closer to $150 so no matter which it is, it offers a great value if only to a small number of people.

 

OEMs are going to love it though. I can see the Dell/HP blurbs already.

[porina]

6 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

As I edited in above, yes its still relatively low end in dedicated GPU terms but for an APU its a huge leap forward. Doing a direct dedicated GPU to APU comparison is not really fair since its not a dedicated GPU, to be fair it must be compared to other APUs/iGPUs. Some places say it can match a 1030, others say it can match a 1050 but the point is it costs $30 extra on the price of the CPU you would be buying anyway. A GTX 1030 will cost you somewhere close to $100, a 1050 is closer to $150 so no matter which it is, it offers a great value if only to a small number of people.

I haven't looked for it, but I haven't seen it match the 1050 yet. It gets somewhat close, but depending on the test being run, that kinda of difference could be a GPU tier worth.

 

I get the like-for-like comparison, but in deciding if it is sufficient, we do have to look wider than that to see where it fits. For a lot of users, the iGPU is nothing more than a means to get video out. Doesn't matter if it is faster or not. If you do start to care about performance, you do need to see where it fits. Beating Intel but still not reaching some target performance level is not useful, and that will be down to users to decide.

 

It will also be interesting to keep an eye on Intel's Xe graphics, which I believe will be introduced in the impending Tiger Lake mobile CPUs, but we can also expect to see it in the next round of desktop CPUs too. Has anyone has run these APUs on BFV yet? We previously got the minor reveal of Tiger Lake running BFV apparently at 1080p high around 30fps+. So that might be an interesting comparison to try and seek out.

[Mateyyy]

1 minute ago, porina said:

It will also be interesting to keep an eye on Intel's Xe graphics, which I believe will be introduced in the impending Tiger Lake mobile CPUs, but we can also expect to see it in the next round of desktop CPUs too. Has anyone has run these APUs on BFV yet? We previously got the minor reveal of Tiger Lake running BFV apparently at 1080p high around 30fps+. So that might be an interesting comparison to try and seek out.

^ also curious about that. That short demo looked rather impressive compared to Vega.

[Vector0102]

18 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Except thats not the case.

 

The 4700G can run Death Stranding on High at 1080p 30 FPS or 720p 60 FPS. It can run Doom Eternal on High at 1080p 40 FPS to 80 FPS.

 

Lets be real here, this is an integrated GPU that is capable of matching (or getting damn close to) a base PS4.

Is that GPU actually running at 2.3 GHz?

[porina]

4 minutes ago, Vector0102 said:

Is that GPU actually running at 2.3 GHz?

In a quick look, Anandtech don't list that specific model, but others are listed as going up to 2100, so that is right ball park. Maybe a bit of boost?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15921/amd-launches-12-desktop-renoir-ryzen-4000g-series-apus-but-you-cant-buy-them

 

The same channel has other gameplay videos. I didn't look too deeply at the exact settings used, but it does seem 1080p30 is very attainable, and in the case of GTAV 60+.

[Master Disaster]

21 minutes ago, Vector0102 said:

Is that GPU actually running at 2.3 GHz?

 

10 minutes ago, porina said:

In a quick look, Anandtech don't list that specific model, but others are listed as going up to 2100, so that is right ball park. Maybe a bit of boost?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15921/amd-launches-12-desktop-renoir-ryzen-4000g-series-apus-but-you-cant-buy-them

 

The same channel has other gameplay videos. I didn't look too deeply at the exact settings used, but it does seem 1080p30 is very attainable, and in the case of GTAV 60+.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-4700g

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-pro-4750g

 

CPU Base - 3.6Ghz

CPU Boost - 4.4Ghz

GPU Frequency - 2100Mhz (so 2.1Ghz)

 

Also notice the Title heading, AMD 4700G (OEM Only).

[porina]

3 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

GPU Frequency - 2100Mhz (so 2.1Ghz)

How do we explain the 2300 shown in the video? Is it mis-reported? Overclocked? Some turbo function where 2.1 is the base?

[Master Disaster]

6 minutes ago, porina said:

How do we explain the 2300 shown in the video? Is it mis-reported? Overclocked? Some turbo function where 2.1 is the base?

Pass. Possibly it had some free room in its power/thermal limits and boosted itself.

 

At this point I hope one of the big techtubers orders one from Taiwan and puts it through its paces, it would be great to see what its capable of done by someone who understands how to do it properly and how to show the results/comparisons properly too.

 

Edit - Except Gaming Jesus, ain't nobody got 40 minutes to listen to him talk about the miniscule complexities of how APUs work compared to GPUs

[porina]

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

At this point I hope one of the big techtubers orders one from Taiwan and puts it through its paces, it would be great to see what its capable of done by someone who understands how to do it properly and how to show the results/comparisons properly too.

Doesn't even have to be a techtuber. I'd actually prefer a written article especially as data sets get large.