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Nvidia looking at acquiring Arm

porina
By porina
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20 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

They have their positives: top notch researchers and give some cool rulers to their employees.

 

 

I bought one for $3 on eBay lol

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22 hours ago, porina said:

 

Sources

https://wccftech.com/arm-the-british-chip-designer-may-be-acquired-by-nvidia/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-22/softbank-s-chip-company-arm-is-said-to-attract-nvidia-interest

 

Summary

There's not a lot to add, nvidia are reportedly looking at acquiring Arm. These big business deals are usually not openly stated so information like this will be indirect until such point either side makes a more official statement, if anything happens at all.

 

My thoughts

Nvidia are a bit of an odd ball in the PC chipmaker space, as their focus is pretty much on GPUs without their own serious CPU to pair with it. Intel are strong on CPUs, putting aside 14nm jokes, and are looking to gain share in the GPU space. AMD already play in both areas. This would be a good complement to nvidia.

 

Arm based designs have the majority of the mobile device space, as well as entrants in server, with a move to desktop/laptops lead by Apple. That last point could be interesting. I wasn't active when it happened, but I understand that Apple and Nvidia are not the best friends. So Apple might object to this deal should it go anywhere.


How to size up the companies? Nvidia as a listed stock means we can check its market cap, currently US$257B. Arm is harder to value. It was bought by Softbank in 2016 for $32B. So in that sense nvidia would seem big enough to make a move. Depending on how deep the wounds go between nvidia and Apple, have to wonder if Apple might just out-bid nvidia to block them.

 

If Nvidia buys ARM and x86 actually ends up becoming obsolete, Nvidia will have a monopoly on everything silicon.

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11 hours ago, LAwLz said:

 

I said industry like HPC use not gaming or consumer market. I don't think you've had to call, email, on interact with Nvidia about anything on a business level. I never said anything about Nvidia having bad technology or AMD being an angel. Nvidia is the go to for AI, GPUs, and many other technologies. But you can still have the best technology on the market and be an absolute tool. I'm not sure why you are always so hyper to jump to conclusions. 

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3 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

The question that hits me is why is arm for sale?  They should be doing well, and it looks like they’re going to be doing even better in the future.  Just holding the asset would be profitable.  Maybe there are problems with the parent company that put them in desperate need of ready cash.  It’s the only reason a good property like this even might be sold at all.

Do you know how much money Softbank lost on WeWork?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/softbank-ceo-calls-wework-investment-foolish-valuation-falls-to-2point9-billion.html

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  • SoftBank founder and CEO Masayoshi Son said his investment in WeWork was “foolish.”
  • The comment comes as SoftBank gave WeWork a valuation of $2.9 billion as of March 31 based on a discounted cash flow method, down from $7.3 billion as of Dec. 31. 
  • WeWork’s private valuation was as high as $47 billion before its botched IPO last year.

Then the pandemic struck and WeWork was kicked in the nuts.

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SoftBank’s Vision Fund posted $18 billion in losses compared with $13 billion in total annual losses for SoftBank Group overall. The $100 billion fund was created to make large bets on companies and infuse them with cash. Of the 88 companies the Vision Fund has invested in, Son predicted Monday about 15 will be successful and 15 could go bankrupt in the midst of the pandemic.

Like Softbank might just be wanting to unload some assets, but ARM seems like one that shouldn't be unloaded and I'd almost rather a non-tech company like Berkshire Hathaway own it because it will at least be left alone to do what it does best and not vertically integrated into some other chip company's portfolio like Intel's purchase of Altera and Omnitek.

 

Intel's FPGA business suspiciously looks like it's going to be for computer-vision, and ignoring lots of other use cases for FPGA's (that's why they're FPGA's) where as if the companies were not vertically integrated, then you won't see Intel trying to tie it's FPGA business to it's other IP. Like right now the Altera parts they're selling are still the same parts from 2013-2017, only they've been rebranded, but Altera was previously using Intel's 14nm chip foundry. A Cyclone IV, V and 10 are different chips, and Intel can't just end production one one chip type without a lot of lead time to those using them in active products.

 

Softbank doesn't have any vertical integration, it just buys companies and sits on them, flipping them later if some other company wants it. So investments in WeWork and Uber were basically money set on fire.

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/softbank-considers-sale-or-ipo-of-british-chip-designer-arm-holdings-2020-07-13

 

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SoftBank Group Corp. is exploring alternatives including a full or partial sale or public offering of British chip designer Arm Holdings, which the Japanese conglomerate bought four years ago for $32 billion, according to people familiar with the matter.

 

The review, on which Goldman Sachs Group Inc. is advising, is at an early stage, the people said. It isn’t known how much interest financial or industry players might have in Arm, and it is possible SoftBank will ultimately choose to do nothing.

SoftBank 9984, +0.43% has previously indicated it could return Arm to public markets at some point. Such a move has gained urgency, however, as SoftBank seeks to raise cash from its varied stable of assets to mollify activist investor Elliott Management Corp., which has been agitating for changes at the company.

So basically this is just one investor raiding Softbank to sell Softbank off in pieces.

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5 hours ago, Kisai said:

It's also a gigantic pain in the ass to install the closed source driver on anything other than LTS Ubuntu or LTS Redhat due to the typical dependency hell on Linux.

 

The other half of the complaints come entirely from team red (AMD-Radeon), where developers of games are forced to choose between developing software that works on AMD and nVidia GPU's by not using ANY nVidia libraries, or only AMD's libraries (which tend to work on both, but aren't nearly as good/stable.) nVidia's libraries just do little or nothing on AMD's GPU's because they're designed around the CUDA API and nVidia's own API extensions rather than support OpenCL or Vulkan-compute at all.

 

In a more ideal situation nVidia wouldn't be so protective of their own IP and commit to things like Vulkan, OpenCL and such, but the reality is that is a competitive thing, and if they permitted open source drivers to exist, Intel and AMD would see the man behind the curtain. The sheer lack of interest by nVidia for OpenCL has pretty much resulted in few games invoking OpenCL, and just running things like physics on the CPU instead, where it's instead of a known quantity. Since a certain subset of software and games use CUDA, that's a vendor-lockin. If nVidia stopped supporting CUDA or AMD was able to implement it in their own hardware, then suddenly nVidia loses it's contemplative advantage. AMD has no vendor lock-in advantage (it's own libraries haven't been updated in 8 years) and almost nobody uses Intel's own middleware, the last time I even looked at it, they were trying to charge money for it, now they're giving it away and trying to get you to use it with their cloud platform.

Idk where you get that from, but installing nvidia drivers is pretty easy and often included in the official repos of most distros. Installing it on arch, debian, ubuntu and centos (distros which I've had personal experience with) is painless and fast.

 

About APIs, OpenCL is a pain to program for, that's why people try to steer away from it. And since CUDA is easier, and people already have nvidia GPUs in their workstations/DCs, this ends up creating a chicken and egg problem. Another fun fact: vk and vk-compute have more contributors from nvidia than amd lol

 

Intel's oneAPI is a good idea, but with a poor execution, sadly.

 

4 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

The question that hits me is why is arm for sale?  They should be doing well, and it looks like they’re going to be doing even better in the future.  Just holding the asset would be profitable.  Maybe there are problems with the parent company that put them in desperate need of ready cash.  It’s the only reason a good property like this even might be sold at all.

ARM doesn't sell chips, just licenses IPs, and hasn't been profitable in the last years.

 

1 hour ago, Kisai said:

Intel's FPGA business suspiciously looks like it's going to be for computer-vision, and ignoring lots of other use cases for FPGA's (that's why they're FPGA's) where as if the companies were not vertically integrated, then you won't see Intel trying to tie it's FPGA business to it's other IP. Like right now the Altera parts they're selling are still the same parts from 2013-2017, only they've been rebranded, but Altera was previously using Intel's 14nm chip foundry. A Cyclone IV, V and 10 are different chips, and Intel can't just end production one one chip type without a lot of lead time to those using them in active products.

Intel has done a hybrid CPU-FPGA SoC, but I'm not sure how well this turned out. Also, since purchasing Altera they did release a new line of products, Agilex, and has built tons of new APIs and SDKs to make FPGA usage easier (like openVINO). But I agree with you that they're trying to really get into the "accelerated ML" (not just CV tho) market.

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On 7/22/2020 at 3:33 PM, porina said:

 

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https://wccftech.com/arm-the-british-chip-designer-may-be-acquired-by-nvidia/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-22/softbank-s-chip-company-arm-is-said-to-attract-nvidia-interest

 

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There's not a lot to add, nvidia are reportedly looking at acquiring Arm. These big business deals are usually not openly stated so information like this will be indirect until such point either side makes a more official statement, if anything happens at all.

 

My thoughts

Nvidia are a bit of an odd ball in the PC chipmaker space, as their focus is pretty much on GPUs without their own serious CPU to pair with it. Intel are strong on CPUs, putting aside 14nm jokes, and are looking to gain share in the GPU space. AMD already play in both areas. This would be a good complement to nvidia.

 

Arm based designs have the majority of the mobile device space, as well as entrants in server, with a move to desktop/laptops lead by Apple. That last point could be interesting. I wasn't active when it happened, but I understand that Apple and Nvidia are not the best friends. So Apple might object to this deal should it go anywhere.


How to size up the companies? Nvidia as a listed stock means we can check its market cap, currently US$257B. Arm is harder to value. It was bought by Softbank in 2016 for $32B. So in that sense nvidia would seem big enough to make a move. Depending on how deep the wounds go between nvidia and Apple, have to wonder if Apple might just out-bid nvidia to block them.

 

Apple and Nvidia had a falling out but that is pretty irrelevant. The only thing either company cares about is money. If Nvidia were to buy ARM then Apple and Nvidia would work together. No business as successful as either of them really cares about grudges or how bad a contract falling out was when it comes to money.

 

21 hours ago, Kisai said:

It's almost certainly not to happen as that would put valuable IP in the hands of a company that is openly hostile to open standards and open source. 

 

It would be different if ARM wasn't in practically everything that's not a desktop computer. But if nVidia acquired ARM, then you will see a Qualcomm situation happening where Qualcomm won't licence their patents to anyone who doesn't buy their chips, and their chips only use their CPU and GPU cores, which is a death-knell for Linux and Android-based systems, since nVidia has the worst support for Linux. Heck it might end up with wholesale abandonment of ARM by smartphone and smartTV vendors to RISC-V. nVidia uses RISC-V already. 

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-RISC-V-Next-Gen-Falcon

 

https://medium.com/syncedreview/is-nvidia-doubling-down-on-risc-v-1ce714a919eb

 

So it seems strange that they would want ARM if they were already invested in RISC-V unless they planned to abandon that work.

 

Anyway, it doesn't make a lot of sense. Tegra was basically a failure, for all but the Nintendo Switch and the most popular Kodi Piracy boxes.

 

With how ubiquitous ARM is, any potential purchase agreement would see various governments requiring Nvidia to continue licensing the tech.

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5 minutes ago, igormp said:

Idk where you get that from, but installing nvidia drivers is pretty easy and often included in the official repos of most distros. Installing it on arch, debian, ubuntu and centos (distros which I've had personal experience with) is painless and fast.

Installing binary drivers on Linux is a pain in the ass the longer the OS has been installed. This required tooth pulling with the Linux Kernel, because otherwise there would be zero nVidia support at all. Also just to be pedantic about it, there is no nVidia drivers for all other CPU types. If somehow you had an RISC-V with an nVidia GPU in it, no support, period. That's the problem.

 

5 minutes ago, igormp said:

About APIs, OpenCL is a pain to program for, that's why people try to steer away from it. And since CUDA is easier, and people already have nvidia GPUs in their workstations/DCs, this ends up creating a chicken and egg problem. Another fun fact: vk and vk-compute have more contributors from nvidia than amd lol

OpenCL is no harder to develop for than any other parallel processing. CUDA just had a lead time where it was able to get ahead, where as AMD did not and you can see this if you look at the evolution of the BOINC software where CUDA is mentioned in May 2008 but ATI isn't mentioned until October 2009. OpenCL was released August 2009.

 

 

5 minutes ago, igormp said:

Intel's oneAPI is a good idea, but with a poor execution, sadly.

A lot of Intel's software and drivers is like that and it's just kinda OOF. Just release the source code for each library as open source so third parties can make it work better on everything.

 

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6 hours ago, ne0tic said:

Yeah. I'm hoping no one buys ARM tho. Because if Nvidia really want to buy them, Apple will probably feel forced to buy them instead to secure their ARM future without any issues that could occur if Nvidia instead would own ARM. 

 

If that is the likely outcome then I really hope apple are blocked under monopoly rules.   If apple own ARM then apple own the IP and all the licensing to every Mobile product bar a few.   Now,  I know Intel own all the IP for x86 but they owned it all before x86 became a monopolized market, as a consequence they were forced to license it to AMD.

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1 hour ago, Kisai said:

Installing binary drivers on Linux is a pain in the ass the longer the OS has been installed. This required tooth pulling with the Linux Kernel, because otherwise there would be zero nVidia support at all. Also just to be pedantic about it, there is no nVidia drivers for all other CPU types. If somehow you had an RISC-V with an nVidia GPU in it, no support, period. That's the problem.

Are you even a linux user? I have had my current arch install for over 3 years and never had a problem with drivers. In fact, I went from AMDGPU to nvidia without a hassle. Nvidia also has drivers available for both ARM and POWER9.

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OpenCL is no harder to develop for than any other parallel processing. CUDA just had a lead time where it was able to get ahead, where as AMD did not and you can see this if you look at the evolution of the BOINC software where CUDA is mentioned in May 2008 but ATI isn't mentioned until October 2009. OpenCL was released August 2009.

Ok, now I know that you have no experience at all with such things. OpenCL is WAY too verbose and a PITA to program for. VK-compute is 10x better but still kind of a pain. SYCL somewhat made stuff more bearable, but still nowhere near CUDA when it comes to ease of use.

 

The only downside of CUDA is that the syntax is really ugly.

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25 minutes ago, igormp said:

Are you even a linux user? I have had my current arch install for over 3 years and never had a problem with drivers. In fact, I went from AMDGPU to nvidia without a hassle. Nvidia also has drivers available for both ARM and POWER9.

One time was enough thanks. Nvidia's drivers for ARM and Power9 are not what you think they are.

https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-installation-guide-linux/index.html

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(2) Note that starting with CUDA 11.0, the minimum recommended GCC compiler is at least GCC 5 due to C++11 requirements in CUDA libraries e.g. cuFFT and CUB. On distributions such as RHEL 7 or CentOS 7 that may use an older GCC toolchain by default, it is recommended to use a newer GCC toolchain with CUDA 11.0. Newer GCC toolchains are available with the Red Hat Developer Toolset.

(3) Minor versions of the following compilers listed: of GCC, ICC, PGI and XLC, as host compilers for nvcc are supported.

(4) Only Tesla V100 and T4 GPUs are supported for CUDA 11.0 on Arm64 (aarch64) POWER9 (ppc64le).

The amount of pedantic Linux-specific dependency hell is present here, that's the cost of requiring a third party to compile things.

 

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Ok, now I know that you have no experience at all with such things. OpenCL is WAY too verbose and a PITA to program for. VK-compute is 10x better but still kind of a pain. SYCL somewhat made stuff more bearable, but still nowhere near CUDA when it comes to ease of use.

 

The only downside of CUDA is that the syntax is really ugly.

I've done stuff with OpenCL, it's just C. If you think it's a pain in the ass, then you probably aren't a C developer, which means you probably aren't a OpenGL or Vulkan developer either as those are ALSO C.

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14 minutes ago, Kisai said:

One time was enough thanks. Nvidia's drivers for ARM and Power9 are not what you think they are.

https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-installation-guide-linux/index.html

The amount of pedantic Linux-specific dependency hell is present here, that's the cost of requiring a third party to compile things.

nvidia drivers != CUDA. Also, CUDA has many dependencies because, guess what, it's a development library and requires development dependencies. Installing it on windows is even worse, I guarantee you.

 

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I've done stuff with OpenCL, it's just C. If you think it's a pain in the ass, then you probably aren't a C developer, which means you probably aren't a OpenGL or Vulkan developer either as those are ALSO C.

I do ML and embedded for a living, if you want to be really want to go the Ad Hominem way, feel free to look at my github or blog posts in case you need to verify my credentials.

Just because those libraries use the same underlying language, doesn't mean that they're as easy to use, which again only shows your lack of actual experience.

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2 hours ago, igormp said:

ARM doesn't sell chips, just licenses IPs, and hasn't been profitable in the last years.

 

Now this is news to me,  I thought they were doing quite well.    It's probably been a few years since I last looked.

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2 hours ago, igormp said:

Idk where you get that from, but installing nvidia drivers is pretty easy and often included in the official repos of most distros. Installing it on arch, debian, ubuntu and centos (distros which I've had personal experience with) is painless and fast.

 

About APIs, OpenCL is a pain to program for, that's why people try to steer away from it. And since CUDA is easier, and people already have nvidia GPUs in their workstations/DCs, this ends up creating a chicken and egg problem. Another fun fact: vk and vk-compute have more contributors from nvidia than amd lol

 

Intel's oneAPI is a good idea, but with a poor execution, sadly.

 

ARM doesn't sell chips, just licenses IPs, and hasn't been profitable in the last years.

 

Intel has done a hybrid CPU-FPGA SoC, but I'm not sure how well this turned out. Also, since purchasing Altera they did release a new line of products, Agilex, and has built tons of new APIs and SDKs to make FPGA usage easier (like openVINO). But I agree with you that they're trying to really get into the "accelerated ML" (not just CV tho) market.

Not profitable huh?  Interesting.  They’re indirectly responsible for the majority of computing done in the world and they’re not making money.  Sounds like their business model may be messed up.  Curious about the particulars of that one.

 

Did some looking.  Found a few articles some behind paywalls.

this one which was free for me

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/02/17/british-chip-company-arm-bounces-back-strongest-profit-three/ Says that as of February arm was doing well but it is owned by SoftBank which isn’t.  Wasn’t a top hit though.  There’s one by TechCrunch with a less rosy headline but it’s paywalled.

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5 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Now this is news to me,  I thought they were doing quite well.    It's probably been a few years since I last looked.

 

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Not profitable huh?  Interesting.  They’re indirectly responsible for the majority of computing done in the world and they’re not making money.  Sounds like their business model may be messed up.  Curious about the particulars of that one.

I may have expressed myself bad. There's no way for sure to know how profitable it is since it's not a public owned company anymore, but before softbank's acquisition its profits were decreasing year by year, and there doesn't seem to be a real model of growth in a company that seems to be stuck with only IP licensing. Seeing how Softbank now wants to get rid of it, looks like things didn't turn out for better since then, and may have even gotten worse with the new free µC competitors (they wouldn't have done an entire site saying that RISC-V was bad if they didn't see it as a menace to their business).

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13 minutes ago, igormp said:

 

I may have expressed myself bad. There's no way for sure to know how profitable it is since it's not a public owned company anymore, but before softbank's acquisition its profits were decreasing year by year, and there doesn't seem to be a real model of growth in a company that seems to be stuck with only IP licensing. Seeing how Softbank now wants to get rid of it, looks like things didn't turn out for better since then, and may have even gotten worse with the new free µC competitors (they wouldn't have done an entire site saying that RISC-V was bad if they didn't see it as a menace to their business).

Updated my post.  From what I could see arm is ok but it’s owned by softbank.  I should say that “interesting” was not intended to be ironic. It was actually interesting.

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3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Updated my post.  From what I could see arm is ok but it’s owned by softbank

Nice, that same link you mentioned somewhat implies that ARM wasn't doing so well before (and even lost money in the previous quarter), so I guess we can say that's it's not on the verge of failure but it isn't also doing really good.

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3 minutes ago, igormp said:

Nice, that same link you mentioned somewhat implies that ARM wasn't doing so well before (and even lost money in the previous quarter), so I guess we can say that's it's not on the verge of failure but it isn't also doing really good.

That I mentioned?  Perhaps one one else.  I haven’t posted a link on this thread before and just looked it up.  I would think the weak link may be SoftBank.  I don’t know how they’re doing but I’ve heard the name in the news a few times lately which is rarely good.

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Just now, Bombastinator said:

That I mentioned?  Perhaps one one else.  I haven’t posted a link on this thread before and just looked it up.  

This one:

17 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Did some looking.  Found a few articles some behind paywalls.

this one which was free for me

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/02/17/british-chip-company-arm-bounces-back-strongest-profit-three/ Says that as of February arm was doing well but it is owned by SoftBank which isn’t.  Wasn’t a top hit though.  There’s one by TechCrunch with a less rosy headline but it’s paywalled.

 

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5 minutes ago, igormp said:

This one:

 

Ah.  We’re talking about the same thing but I read it differently.

 

One would think arm would be doing better given it’s penetration.  They’ve had high penetration in several spaces for years now.   I’m surprised to see money losing quarters.

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If this happens, Apple will finally use Nvidia. How bout that

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3 hours ago, mr moose said:

 

If that is the likely outcome then I really hope apple are blocked under monopoly rules.   If apple own ARM then apple own the IP and all the licensing to every Mobile product bar a few.   Now,  I know Intel own all the IP for x86 but they owned it all before x86 became a monopolized market, as a consequence they were forced to license it to AMD.

Wonder if Apple could swing a purchase if they were to open source the ARM ISA?

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16 minutes ago, piratemonkey said:

If this happens, Apple will finally use Nvidia. How bout that

The impression I have gotten is apples chips are less arm than most.  They do pay a license fee to arm, but they don’t use their chip designs.  There is also indication that theirs may not be like a lot of other arm licenses.  I don’t know how much ARM is actually in apple’s chips at this point.  Less than a lot of other manufacturers it seems.

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2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

The impression I have gotten is apples chips are less arm than most.  They do pay a license fee to arm, but they don’t use their chip designs.  There is also indication that there may not be like a lot of other arm licenses.  I don’t know how much ARM is actually in apple’s chips at this point.  Less than a lot of other manufacturers it seems.

My guess is they used selected parts of the ARM design. They probably just licensed it to have a basis for how to design a CPU. 

 

 

On the other side of this. I wonder if Nvidia will get more serious about their Tegra CPU's if this deal pans out. 

I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. 

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On 7/22/2020 at 4:36 PM, ImAlsoRan said:

Nvidia was disappointed in no tablets using Tegra, so they just bought the architecture so they could be in every tablet CPU /s

I'm pretty sure the Switch is the only Tegra device to see any amount of success lol

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