i7-9700 (non-k) Questions:

[Nexblitzer]

So, i basically thinking of getting an i7-9700 (I'm on a budget strictly for gaming, and i don't want to overclock it) and i need some tips. Thinking of using the Asus TUF H370 board, as i have heard there TUF series boards have good VRM's which should benefit the CPU of course. Now, i just want tips from people who actually have experience with this board, and or this chip. I'm after BIOS information relevant to this ASUS BIOS' and motherboards , so please don't comment if you don't have experience and/or talking about completely different boards.

 

I'm after:

 

1. Advice, for which settings i should change in the BIOS to ensure that my CPU will hit the highest potential Turbo boost frequency for a locked multiplier CPU ( I DO NOT want to change settings that could drastically decrease the lifespan of my CPU)

2. The All core Turbo speed of the i7-9700 (non k) and a document or URL that you could provide to me, so i can save it for later

 

3. To know if the Motherboard is better then say a ASUS TUF B365M (I think the H series is better then B series right)?

thank y'all!

[Haro]

What is your budget ?

Unless you already have the platform either go for a 3700x or a 10600k/ 10700k 

[Stahlmann]

2 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

What is your budget ?

Unless you already have the platform either go for a 3700x or a 10600k/ 10700k 

Much better choice than a locked Intel chip with a H-series board.

[Nexblitzer]

1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

What is your budget ?

Unless you already have the platform either go for a 3700x or a 10600k/ 10700k 

The 10600K and 10700K are uninteresting, I don't want to overclock them, and spend more money on a Z490 board, of which i won't use the features for. + there not even out in Australia as of yet, AND I'm strictly gaming, so the 3700X, while a brilliant chip for multi-threaded applications, isn't appealing to me.

[Haro]

44 minutes ago, Nexblitzer said:

so the 3700X, while a brilliant chip for multi-threaded applications, isn't appealing to me.

Why so ? 

 

44 minutes ago, Nexblitzer said:

The 10600K and 10700K are uninteresting

Get the non k version then lol 

Don't consider the 9th gen 

Not really an ipc could improvement plus they don't have HT

 

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Edited June 15, 2020 by SansVarnic

[5x5]

4 minutes ago, Nexblitzer said:

The 10600K and 10700K are uninteresting, I don't want to overclock them, and spend more money on a Z490 board, of which i won't use the features for. + there not even out in Australia as of yet, AND I'm strictly gaming, so the 3700X, while a brilliant chip for multi-threaded applications, isn't appealing to me.

Why is a faster gaming CPU not appealing to you? The 9700 non K is slower in games currently since it has lower IPC, lower clock speed and lower thread count. The 3700X is superior to the 9700 in nearly every single way humanly possible. Not to mention it's cheaper

[Nexblitzer]

1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

Why so ? 

 

Get the non k version then lol 

Don't consider the 9th gen 

Not really an ipc could improvement plus they don't have HT

He did help 

But saying h boards are bad value lmao 

I might do that, but it depends on how long it will take to buy them, if 10th gen is too-expensive along with the boards, 9th gen will do perfectly. and an IPC improvement doesn't mean jack to me, i'm playing games, not editing a 4K blu-ray XD ( I know it affects even gaming, so don't quote me on that ) Honestly it comes down to avalibility, also there are many great H series board for the price, so your wrong there.

[Haro]

Just now, Nexblitzer said:

and an IPC improvement doesn't mean jack to me

What ?! 

It means jack to everyone 

It is literally one of the main bars of performance

[Nexblitzer]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Why is a faster gaming CPU not appealing to you? The 9700 non K is slower in games currently since it has lower IPC, lower clock speed and lower thread count. The 3700X is superior to the 9700 in nearly every single way humanly possible. Not to mention it's cheaper

The 9700 (non-K) has a higher all core turbo then the 3700X, and that chip has to be over clocked to even come to beating it! Yes, i know it's worse then the 9700K Yes, i know it has a lower thread count, but i'm gaming at 1080p, and very few games care about high thread count. the 3700X is a great chip and i fully agree it is superior in some ways, BUT that chip is unavailable to me, and it would be wasteful to buy it when it's worse at games compared to the 9700 ANNNDDD the 9700 is currently cheaper then the 3700X where i'm going to buy it.

[AMD A10-9600P]

2 minutes ago, Nexblitzer said:

I might do that, but it depends on how long it will take to buy them, if 10th gen is too-expensive along with the boards, 9th gen will do perfectly. and an IPC improvement doesn't mean jack to me, i'm playing games, not editing a 4K blu-ray XD ( I know it affects even gaming, so don't quote me on that ) Honestly it comes down to avalibility, also there are many great H series board for the price, so your wrong there.

If what you're looking for is availability then just state that, people will be more than happy to help but since this a tech oriented forum the first thing they'll do will always be to recommend the best bang for the buck parts, as that is what people want 99% of the time. If you attack them then they won't want to help you, no matter what you're looking for

[Haro]

1 minute ago, Nexblitzer said:

The 9700 (non-K) has a higher all core turbo then the 3700X,

That means nothing 

The 3700x has a better ipc count 

More threads and has an amazing fpu

1 minute ago, Nexblitzer said:

and that chip has to be over clocked to even come to beating it!

No?

 

1 minute ago, Nexblitzer said:

but i'm gaming at 1080p, and very few games care about high thread count.

What do you mean ?! 

It will matter lol

1 minute ago, Nexblitzer said:

9700 ANNNDDD the 9700 is currently cheaper then the 3700X where i'm going to buy it.

Then get the 10600 

[Nexblitzer]

3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

What ?! 

It means jack to everyone 

It is literally one of the main bars of performance

Yeah i know, It dictates performance greatly, but what i mean is i'm not fretting over a lower IPC gain, considering that 10th gen intel architecturally, is very similar to 9th gen. Granted there are apparent differences, but there not relevant to me in the slghtest.

[Nexblitzer]

1 minute ago, bengeoghegan11 said:

If what you're looking for is availability then just state that, people will be more than happy to help but since this a tech oriented forum the first thing they'll do will always be to recommend the best bang for the buck parts, as that is what people want 99% of the time. If you attack them then they won't want to help you, no matter what you're looking for

That is very true, and it is available so that's why i'm thinking of getting it.

[5x5]

Just now, Nexblitzer said:

I might do that, but it depends on how long it will take to buy them, if 10th gen is too-expensive along with the boards, 9th gen will do perfectly. and an IPC improvement doesn't mean jack to me, i'm playing games, not editing a 4K blu-ray XD ( I know it affects even gaming, so don't quote me on that ) Honestly it comes down to avalibility, also there are many great H series board for the price, so your wrong there.

Most H series boards are overpriced junk. The TuF H370 is one such crappy model

 

2 minutes ago, Nexblitzer said:

The 9700 (non-K) has a higher all core turbo then the 3700X, and that chip has to be over clocked to even come to beating it! Yes, i know it's worse then the 9700K Yes, i know it has a lower thread count, but i'm gaming at 1080p, and very few games care about high thread count. the 3700X is a great chip and i fully agree it is superior in some ways, BUT that chip is unavailable to me, and it would be wasteful to buy it when it's worse at games compared to the 9700 ANNNDDD the 9700 is currently cheaper then the 3700X where i'm going to buy it.

The 3700X has about 10% higger IPC and since you have no idea what that means, I'll explain. It means the 3700X cores achieve 10% more work per clock than the 9700. So a 9700 at 4.4GHz can barely match a 3700X at 4GHz

[AMD A10-9600P]

1 minute ago, Nexblitzer said:

That is very true, and it is available so that's why i'm thinking of getting it.

So why ask here and then attack the people trying to help you if you're so set on the 9700?

[5x5]

1 minute ago, Nexblitzer said:

That is very true, and it is available so that's why i'm thinking of getting it.

Nobody on the forum will tell you that it's a good purchase because it's not. It's obsolete and pretty lackluster considering its only as good as the Ryzen 5 3600 yet uses double the power, produces double the heat and Costa more for the whole platform

[Mateyyy]

I don't get why you're asking for opinions if you're then just going to instantly ignore them all. Not like everyone above's trying to help you not waste your money or anything.

 

Sure the 9700 is a good CPU, but there are better options out there that are also even cheaper and actually make sense to buy in 2020. And also, H series motherboards are junk, and regardless of whether it's locked or not, the 9700 will still draw enough current to saturate any H310/H370 board's VRMs at its default 4.4GHz all-core boost (to also answer one of your questions in your original post). I mean it probably won't die instantly or anything (referring to the motherboard), but it's also not like it's going to last you for years on end and it's just going to kick unnecessary heat in your room. 

 

If you're just gaming, you can get a Ryzen 3600 or an i5-10600K (or 10400 if you're afraid of unlocked chips for some reason) and be perfectly satisfied. Heck, you could even go for a 3300X if you want to save some pennies and don't mind upgrading in a couple of years. Speaking of upgrading, you'll have an actual upgrade path if you go with Ryzen and a good B450 board, or even if you go with Comet Lake and a good Z490 or even a good B460 board like MSI's B460 Mortar, whereas with a 9700 and an H310/H370 board you'll have no upgrade path. I mean sure the 9900K will fit in the same socket but it will also throttle badly because of the trash motherboard.

[Nexblitzer]

7 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Most H series boards are overpriced junk. The TuF H370 is one such crappy model

 

The 3700X has about 10% higger IPC and since you have no idea what that means, I'll explain. It means the 3700X cores achieve 10% more work per clock than the 9700. So a 9700 at 4.4GHz can barely match a 3700X at 4GHz

I do know what an IPC is. And yes i know about the 3700X having an IPC advantage, but i want the max FPS i can get, and my friend has an i7-9700 and it beats his overclocked 3700X PC when he is gaming. in Every. Single. Game. And i'm not using the 3700X to work, i'm gaming with it, so clock speed is purely the most important factor.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

10 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Heck, you could even go for a 3300X if you want to save some pennies

I second this.

 

10 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Speaking of upgrading, you'll have an actual upgrade path

And for this reason.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

It really is a much better idea to go with something like a 3300X with a really good motherboard. You'll be able to slot in a very fast CPU later that will blow your friend's 9700 out of the water in terms of gaming performance, since the platform is still supported by up coming AMD chips.

 

As opposed to going with a dead platform....

 

This coming from someone who owns an i9 9900K on a Z390 board, with no upgrade path aside from replacing the entire platform.

[Mateyyy]

21 minutes ago, Nexblitzer said:

I do know what an IPC is.

Well "an IPC" is actually incorrect since it's plural (instructions per clock), if we're to brag about how knowledgeable on this matter we are here.

 

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Edited June 15, 2020 by SansVarnic

[Nexblitzer]

ahh fuck. Look i'm sorry for wasting everyone's time. I'm just trying to figure some stuff out, and got frustrated because everyone was suggesting Ryzen CPU's, which i guess i should have seen coming, considering there insane for value. And they really are pretty close in terms of performance, Sorry y'all i'm not a dick i swear, i just get frustrated when i don't get exactly the right answer i'm looking for. Now lets let this thread die, considering i clusterfucked the shit out of it.

[SansVarnic]

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8 minutes ago, Nexblitzer said:

ahh fuck. Look i'm sorry for wasting everyone's time. I'm just trying to figure some stuff out, and got frustrated

In the future if you find yourself geting worked-up step away for a few minutes and take a breath.

Come back with a clearer mind for discussion.

[Nexblitzer]

Just now, SansVarnic said:

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In the future if you find yourself geting worked-up step away for a few minutes and take a breath.

Come back with a clearer mind for discussion.

True. And even i know that works.

[Nexblitzer]

13 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Well "an IPC" is actually incorrect since it's plural (instructions per clock), if we're to brag about how knowledgeable on this matter we are here.

 

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Yeah dude i get it, not bragging about knowledge. I forgot to add "Improvement" after IPC.