MSI confirms its AMD 400-series motherboards support Zen 3

[AshRiver]

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MSI streamed its weekly Insider episode yesterday evening. You can see a recording of the whole show (2hr 45mins), hosted by Marketing Director Eric van Beurden, embedded below. MSI B550 motherboards were the theme of the show. However, importantly for existing MSI customers with AMD 400-series motherboards, forward compatibility was made very clear.

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In the video above the key compatibility chart is shared by the presenters, and discussed, from 23 mins 15 sec in. I've took a screenshot of this chart, which you can see below (click to zoom image).

 

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The details are quite straight forward. Owners of MSI's AMD B450 and X470 boards will get support for future AM4 processors based upon the Zen 3 architecture. As per AMD's explaning of possibilities, older boards with limited EEPROM capacity will have cut down BIOS features and support for older processor families removed - to make room for new SKUs - via a 'Selective Beta BIOS'.

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Owners of MSI's MAX suffixed (32MB BIOS) motherboards will be more comfortable with an update which is likely to retain compatibility with most, if not all, older AM4 processor models that were originally supported by the platform. Furthermore, the MAX boards should easily retain their feature-rich UEFI setup options.

Hopefully other motherboard makers will follow suit with confirmations of BIOS updates providing AMD 400-series Zen3 support.

https://hexus.net/tech/news/mainboard/142990-msi-confirms-amd-400-series-motherboards-support-zen-3/

 

 

Yes. 16MB bios chip MSI B450/X470 boards will have to do some sacrifice for Zen 3 support while 32MB bios chip MSI B450/X470 will not going to sacrifice anything in order to support Zen 3. 

[atxcyclist]

Well my MSI B450 Gaming Plus just got a lot more interesting, though I doubt I'll be switching from my 2700X any time soon.

[Doobeedoo]

That's good, they also have that twice the capacity BIOS ROM revision board too. 

[NumLock21]

The only reason they came out to say that is amd has backtracked and let zen 3 be supported on b450 and x470. If amd never did, MSi boards won’t support it either. 

 

Claims in their blog b450/x470 will support all future platforms without any confirmation from amd. Amd then came out to say at first it’s not supported, then said okay fine we’ll support it. Now msi is boasting they’re right. Msi needs to watch out with what they’re saying

”support for all future CPUs” so they are claiming b450/x470 will support zen 4, zen 5, and beyond then. Msi needs to keep their damn mouths shut.

[GloriousPain]

14 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Claims in their blog b450/x470 will support all future platforms without any confirmation from amd. Amd then came out to say at first it’s not supported, then said okay fine we’ll support it. Now msi is boasting they’re right. Msi needs to watch out with what they’re saying

”support for all future CPUs” so they are claiming b450/x470 will support zen 4, zen 5, and beyond then. Msi needs to keep their damn mouths shut.

In fairness their max boards only say they'll support all future AM4 cpus... They figured either AMD will support B450 (cause of the b550 delays it'd only be fair) OR they'll switch to AM5 given they previously said AM4 would last "until 2020"  which could kinda go eitherway because they never said to the end of 2020. Or worst comes to worst they'd just have to make some Crackhead bios update 1 time for the Max boards to get support for the new chips and just hope they don't get their asses sued. 

[mr moose]

15 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

 Now msi is boasting they’re right. Msi needs to watch out with what they’re saying

 

In all fairness, AMD needed to be more specific and upfront, it was not just MSI that got caught out with that and looked bad.

15 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

”support for all future CPUs” so they are claiming b450/x470 will support zen 4, zen 5, and beyond then. Msi needs to keep their damn mouths shut.

That is definitely an over site on their behalf, but given the marketing AMD has adopted and the lack of any absolutes when concerns were raised, it's not exactly an out of this world position to take.

[Trik'Stari]

God I want to upgrade from my 7700k to a Ryzen build, but is it actually worth it? Part of me thinks so, because I'm slowly but surely getting into 3D design for 3D printing.

[LAwLz]

On 5/30/2020 at 5:07 PM, Trik'Stari said:

God I want to upgrade from my 7700k to a Ryzen build, but is it actually worth it? Part of me thinks so, because I'm slowly but surely getting into 3D design for 3D printing.

It depends on what you do with your computer. 

Word of advice though, don't buy things based on what you might need in the future. 

If you are getting into 3D design and that makes you need more CPU performance, then upgrade when you feel like you need it. 

Is your 3d modeling program running smoothly right now? If it is, then upgrading the CPU is a waste of money. Is your 3d modeling program taking minutes to export and you feel like you want it to be faster? Then it might be worth buying a new platform. 

 

 

It's always, always best to wait for as long as possible to upgrade. 

An 400 dollar upgrade today might yield a 15% performance increase. If you wait one year, to when your 3D models have gotten big enough to actually require an upgrade, the same 400 dollars might yield a 30% performance increase. 

[Trik'Stari]

4 hours ago, LAwLz said:

It depends on what you do with your computer. 

Word of advice though, don't buy things based on what you might need in the future. 

If you are getting into 3D design and that makes you need more CPU performance, then upgrade when you feel like you need it. 

Is your 3d modeling program running smoothly right now? If it is, then upgrading the CPU is a waste of money. Is your 3d modeling program taking minutes to export and you feel like you want it to be faster? Then it might be worth buying a new platform. 

 

 

It's always, always best to wait for as long as possible to upgrade. 

An 400 dollar upgrade today might yield a 15% performance increase. If you wait one year, to when your 3D models have gotten big enough to actually require an upgrade, the same 400 dollars might yield a 30% performance increase. 

To be honest, I've been using tinkercad. I want to switch to netfabb or something else 3d printer oriented. Cura doesn't seem to have too many issues with my cpu though 

[GDRRiley]

I love how MSI who doesn't control this is claiming they will for sure be support.

[mr moose]

On 6/2/2020 at 6:33 AM, GDRRiley said:

I love how MSI who doesn't control this is claiming they will for sure be support.

AMD back peddled. 

 

Either because enough people cracked the stinks or because MSI have them over a legal barrel.  Either way the compatibility graph in the OP is from AMD not MSI.

[GDRRiley]

18 minutes ago, mr moose said:

AMD back peddled.

right but the basically said we don't know how this would work but we are going to try.

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

right but the basically said we don't know how this would work but we are going to try.

AMD put it on their compatability list, so AMD are taking responsibility.  We are only hearing about it through MSI not because they made the decision.

 

Besides al that,  the only thing stopping it working is bios size,  which can be fixed if the bios was re-coded to work like ye olde bios's with no mouse support, no flashy pictures, drop all the useless features that no one uses (every little bit counts).

[GDRRiley]

Just now, mr moose said:

AMD put it on their compatability list, so AMD are taking responsibility.  We are only hearing about it through MSI not because they made the decision.

 

Besides al that,  the only thing stopping it working is bios size,  which can be fixed if the bios was re-coded to work like ye olde bios's with no mouse support, no flashy pictures, drop all the useless features that no one uses (every little bit counts).

I was stating in statements made by AMD they weren't sure how they'd pull it off

Yeah, I don't see the point in pictures or graphics. Mouse support is something that I think many people would protest but I don't care about