52,600$ fully loaded mac pro

[AngryBeaver]

30 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Apple devices are also a social status symbol of where you are at in life, like owning a Mercedes.  This is also a reason Apple is successful.  Separates the plebs from the non-plebs in the minds of people who that is important too.

It isn't a status symbol. I normally discard most of what is said by your average apple fanboy on the spot. Normally when you go for something that is a status item you get something of meaningful value out of it. If it is a car you get extra luxury or speed. If it is cloths you get higher quality. Apple doesn't really offer any of that over the competition.

 

For example I upgraded from a Ford Edge Sport to a Bmw X5.

They are very similar and both what I would consider a luxury car. Leather heated/cooled seats, all the bells and whistles, etc. Now the difference is the sticker price. So for that difference I get a little nicer build quality, nicer leather, nicer speakers, etc. It basically takes everything up a slight notch for that money difference.

 

Apple products don't really do that. They might be aesthetically pleasing, but so are other products in and below that price point. They might offer decent performance, but generally less than something at or below their price point.  The only true unique thing they offer is the OS, which to me isn't a premium enough feature to justify the price or to make them a true "status" item.

 

[atxcyclist]

Just now, Twilight said:

i didn't know that, i thought you needed server for that. my bad. 

It's cool. I was under the impression that Windows 10 Pro only supported 512GB, so our discussion has lead me to learn something.

[Ashleyyyy]

3 minutes ago, atxcyclist said:

It's cool. I was under the impression that Windows 10 Pro only supported 512GB, so our discussion has lead me to learn something.

lol nice, why can't MS just make one windows and keep it at that lol

[Ashleyyyy]

5 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

It isn't a status symbol. I normally discard most of what is said by your average apple fanboy on the spot. Normally when you go for something that is a status item you get something of meaningful value out of it. If it is a car you get extra luxury or speed. If it is cloths you get higher quality. Apple doesn't really offer any of that over the competition.

you get advantages of paying more. like not being served ad's in the main place in the OS to launch programs. looks in anger at Windows 10 start menu

 

but yes, in general i agree it's not a status symbol. 

[AngryBeaver]

4 minutes ago, Twilight said:

you get advantages of paying more. like not being served ad's in the main place in the OS to launch programs. looks in anger at Windows 10 start menu

 

but yes, in general i agree it's not a status symbol. 

I don't have any adds in my start menu. Then again I am running a sinkhole which would stop that anyways. two weeks of top offenders lol.

 

[Ashleyyyy]

1 minute ago, AngryBeaver said:

I don't have any adds in my start menu. Then again I am running a sinkhole which would stop that anyways.

the regular Windows 10 that consumers get when they buy a pc does have ad's there. that was my point. 

[atxcyclist]

1 minute ago, Twilight said:

lol nice, why can't MS just make one windows and keep it at that lol

I'm not sure. The worst part is that the lower-end versions between Home and Pro are just feature-locked. I guess it's incentive for people to upgrade? But really I cannot think of an instance where a Home version user would need the Pro features bad enough to go through the upgrade and pay for it. Server is probably a different story though, lots of tweaks including graphical ones to keep operating overhead down, and also some significant hardware/software validation for server and workstation stuff.

[Tristerin]

18 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

It isn't a status symbol. I normally discard most of what is said by your average apple fanboy on the spot. Normally when you go for something that is a status item you get something of meaningful value out of it. If it is a car you get extra luxury or speed. If it is cloths you get higher quality. Apple doesn't really offer any of that over the competition.

 

For example I upgraded from a Ford Edge Sport to a Bmw X5.

They are very similar and both what I would consider a luxury car. Leather heated/cooled seats, all the bells and whistles, etc. Now the difference is the sticker price. So for that difference I get a little nicer build quality, nicer leather, nicer speakers, etc. It basically takes everything up a slight notch for that money difference.

 

Apple products don't really do that. They might be aesthetically pleasing, but so are other products in and below that price point. They might offer decent performance, but generally less than something at or below their price point.  The only true unique thing they offer is the OS, which to me isn't a premium enough feature to justify the price or to make them a true "status" item.

 

Doesn't matter if we think it is or not - people who are in this area of expertise have dubbed it a status symbol.

 

My Ford Escort Titanium Edition is no BMW.  It doesn't come close to my Lincoln LS.  Not even close to the same cars.  My Lincoln LS was a luxury car.  My Ti edition escort has a ton of options but is a tin can in comparison in build quality.  Not sure why any Ford basic vehicle can be compared to a luxury class vehicle.  

However if your personal definition fits in this criteria, you can feel this way but...they aint the same build quality.

 

Just google Apple as a status symbol, Im not going to argue it because I don't care, I own zero apple products and nor do I care about my status symbols - I personally daily drive a 2003 Olds Alero because its bought, paid for, and until the wheels fall off its going to be my daily driver.  But for those who care for these status signals/symbols - they do.

[Blademaster91]

50 minutes ago, Twilight said:

headphones agreed. computers no. Apple has done a great job with support IMO, my Mid-2012 MacBook Pro is still fully supported and considering it's an almost 8 year old laptop that's happy editing 1080p video in iMovie and running a Windows 10 VM in Parallels quite happily i think the computers are good as well. not so much the recent one's, although the 16" MacBook Pro is getting better again. 

Their laptops newer the 2012 model you own? Lol no, with everything soldered and the various reliability issues all of them have it's like owning a Mercedes and bragging about the warranty yet you'll constantly need the warranty.

1 hour ago, redbread123 said:

depends what you buy, the phones? not really. the computers and headphones? yes who the fuck pays 350$ for some random beats that A: don't sound good B: are over ear and made of plastic. when someone said the beats were for 30$ i thought that was an ok price but i read it wrong and for 300$? what the fuck. anyways the only decent things they have are the phones. maybeee the watch, and yeah

The same reason people buy Airpods that sound worse than a $50 pair of earbuds, a status symbol because everyone will recognize those obnoxious looking things on your ears over a pair of Bose, Sennheiser, or AKG.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

Their laptops newer the 2012 model you own?  Lol no, with everything soldered and the various reliability issues all of them have it's like owning a Mercedes and bragging about the warranty yet you'll constantly need the warranty.

Haven't run into reliability issues with new Macbook Pros or Airs yet. If we have issues with the keebs (most likely problem) then those are covered by Apple and we'll sort that out. Those are the main unreliability thing, and it's the result of a poor design choice, not construction. Has since been fixed with the 16" and likely will be once they refresh the 13"/replace it with a 14". Soldering is an oof, but for our current use case we have no need to upgrade, can just pull them out of the box, load up software, slap it into the hands of a user. On PC laptops I have to replace the HDDs with SSDs because Windows 10 isn't usable with a spinning disk. Those PC laptops are also much cheaper though, to be fair. 

2 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The same reason people buy Airpods that sound worse than a $50 pair of earbuds, status symbol because everyone will recognize those obnoxious looking things on your ears over a pair of Bose, Sennheiser, or AKG.

They work really well with your iPhone and are apparently convenient and comfortable to wear. That's why people buy them. 

 

There's always people who buy stuff for the flex, that does not mean every person to buy one is just doing it for flex reasons.

 

3 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

and this is why people are dumb.

People were dumb before Apple products were available for purchase. 
 

[Ashleyyyy]

15 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Their laptops newer the 2012 model you own? Lol no, with everything soldered and the various reliability issues all of them have it's like owning a Mercedes and bragging about the warranty yet you'll constantly need the warranty.

the 2013 and 2014's were nice too iirc. the 2015 had some kind of battery thing but the only difference with the 2013/4 and the 2012 is that upgrades are not as good. 
 

14 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

and this is why people are dumb.

you are a person too, thereby you called yourself stupid. congrats. 

slow clap

 

17 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The same reason people buy Airpods that sound worse than a $50 pair of earbuds, a status symbol because everyone will recognize those obnoxious looking things on your ears over a pair of Bose, Sennheiser, or AKG.

only people who want to flex buy them. i own a very nice Sony headset despite being an "apple fan" 

[Commodus]

42 minutes ago, Twilight said:

only people who want to flex buy them. i own a very nice Sony headset despite being an "apple fan"

That's an oversimplification.  I see way too many AirPods at the gym for this to just be about flex.  They're far too commonplace for that.

 

The likelier, boring answer is that this is the first experience of Bluetooth headphones for many people.  They either didn't realize the technology was a practical option until now or hadn't been convinced to give it a try.  It's certainly a more familiar name than Jabra or Jaybird.

 

There's also a dirty secret: many people value convenience over quality, even including people who'd normally gravitate toward higher-quality audio if given the choice.  AirPods have succeeded in part because Apple eliminated some of the most common hassles of Bluetooth earbuds; if they sound pleasing to your ears, that's almost incidental.  I'd argue that rival brands struggle to compete precisely because they're so obsessed with the specs that they forget about the use cases for ordinary people.

[Letgomyleghoe]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

 

They work really well with your iPhone and are apparently convenient and comfortable to wear. That's why people buy them. 

 

There's always people who buy stuff for the flex, that does not mean every person to buy one is just doing it for flex reasons.

 

People were dumb before Apple products were available for purchase. 
 

they work well with your iphone but for $144 you can get a headset or earbuds that work much better than AiRpOdS

[Letgomyleghoe]

53 minutes ago, Twilight said:

the 2013 and 2014's were nice too iirc. the 2015 had some kind of battery thing but the only difference with the 2013/4 and the 2012 is that upgrades are not as good. 
 

you are a person too, thereby you called yourself stupid. congrats. 

slow clap

 

only people who want to flex buy them. i own a very nice Sony headset despite being an "apple fan" 

bro imagine being an apple fan on a site that is known to be pc related...

 

[Letgomyleghoe]

13 minutes ago, Commodus said:

if they sound pleasing to your ears, that's almost incidental.

yeah, i have a pair of 30 dollar earbuds off amazon that block out almost all of the noise around me, sure i cant tap them to skip a song but they sound much better than any AiRpOd will 

[Letgomyleghoe]

1 hour ago, Twilight said:

lol nice, why can't MS just make one windows and keep it at that lol

idk why cant apple like not make updates that purposefully cause older hardware to run slower so people are forced to upgrade their iPhone before it becomes a fisher price toy

[Zando_]

Just now, scuff gang said:

they work well with your iphone but for $144 you can get a headset or earbuds that work much better than AiRpOdS

Unless you really like the convenience of AirPods and their integration into iOS, then they don't work better because they aren't doing what you want. 

This forum as a whole is obsessed with specs/bench numbers per $ and nothing else, y'all refuse to consider anything else.

 

1 minute ago, scuff gang said:

bro imagine being an apple fan on a site that is known to be pc related...

And? I daily Macs and am a full on HEDT using PC enthusiast at home, the two are not mutually exclusive. I use what works for my workload and/or what I like. I assume it's the same for @Twilight. 

 

[Zando_]

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2 hours ago, scuff gang said:

idk why cant apple like not make updates that purposefully cause older hardware to run slower so people are forced to upgrade their iPhone before it becomes a fisher price toy

Do you use iPhones? That's not really a thing, they slow down due to just being old and lower spec than current phones while trying to run OS versions with more stuff going on. They've progressively been snappier once phased out though, iOS 7 on a 4 c r a w l s, iOS 9 on a 4S is usable, iOS 12 on a 6 Plus is fine, and everything newer still runs the latest (currently iOS 13). The only time Apple slowed hardware down was to stop it from shutting down at random due to degraded batteries (something that happens to every phone with these batteries, be that an apple, a samsung, whatever). The only thing wrong about that was that they didn't tell the end users. When they got caught, they apologized and offered very cheap battery replacements (barely more than just buying the battery alone is) for a good amount of time, and added new features to iOS so you can keep track of battery health in your own and choose to enable throttling or not. 

You're taking personal offense at someone's hardware choices and then speaking out of ignorance and complaining about non-existent or now fixed issues. 

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[Ashleyyyy]

10 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

bro imagine being an apple fan on a site that is known to be pc related...

 

i don't need to imagine that. i am one. 

 

7 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

idk why cant apple like not make updates that purposefully cause older hardware to run slower so people are forced to upgrade their iPhone before it becomes a fisher price toy

ugh not this again recent iOS updates actually made my iPhone feel faster, stop talking out of your ass. 
 

6 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

just went to coffee house and everyone was using their retardedly over priced macs to write distopian books about lesbians learning how to recycle

are you high?

 

7 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I daily Macs and am a full on HEDT using PC enthusiast at home, the two are not mutually exclusive. I use what works for my workload and/or what I like. I assume it's the same for @Twilight. 

 

correct. i just ahve lower end PC's because i don't have as much money as you. but the idea is the same  

[Letgomyleghoe]

3 hours ago, Twilight said:

pixar can probably manage it, and also there is a rackmount version so it doesn't need to be a workstation.

mmm yes but how much will it cost you to buy the rack mount... hmmm oh yeah... ITS ANOTHER $500 SO MY $56000 MAC DOESNT LOOK LIKE A CHEESE GRATER 

[Ashleyyyy]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

The only time Apple slowed hardware down was to stop it from shutting down at random due to degraded batteries (something that happens to every phone with these batteries, be that an apple, a samsung, whatever). The only thing wrong about that was that they didn't tell the end users. When they got caught, they apologized and offered very cheap battery replacements (barely more than just buying the battery alone is) for a good amount of time, and added new features to iOS so you can keep track of battery health in your own and choose to enable throttling or not. 

i actually love that they did this. i had a 3GS when that was still sort of relevant and the battery was shot. it was so annoying just using it and it would be at 50% and then it would just turn off. 

[Ashleyyyy]

Just now, scuff gang said:

mmm yes but how much will it cost you to buy the rack mount... hmmm oh yeah... ITS ANOTHER $500 SO MY $56000 MAC DOESNT LOOK LIKE A CHEESE GRATER 

large companies don't care about cost. if you do things important enough that you need a 28 core workstation you can afford it. 

[Zando_]

Just now, Twilight said:

i actually love that they did this. i had a 3GS when that was still sort of relevant and the battery was shot. it was so annoying just using it and it would be at 50% and then it would just turn off. 

Yeah, Apple does have a standard of usability they want to uphold, having your phone turn off when you open candy crush so you can finally put the hurt on Pam's high score would be really disappointing . Also lol, in recent years they've actually been easier to repair (for the two most common ones, the screen and battery) than most other flagships

[Letgomyleghoe]

Just now, Twilight said:

large companies don't care about cost. if you do things important enough that you need a 28 core workstation you can afford it. 

if you do things that require a 28 core workstation you should be smart enough to check other places that have hardware that can be repaired by someone else after the warranty has expired.

[PlayStation 2]

this thread has given me hiv+

please put this out of its fucking misery