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Just now, Omara said:

the image is a bit sus

Nah, it is a Focus GX. There were no mention of 'GX' on older Focus and there would've been 'Focus Gold' on the PSU itself, not just 'Focus'.

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2 minutes ago, Juular said:

Nah, it is a Focus GX. There were no mention of 'GX' on older Focus and there would've been 'Focus Gold' on the PSU itself, not just 'Focus'.

that's what i mean, the title is right, the image is wrong, image even says 750 not 850W

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15 minutes ago, Juular said:

Nah, it is a Focus GX. There were no mention of 'GX' on older Focus and there would've been 'Focus Gold' on the PSU itself, not just 'Focus'.

i did call them up, they said the image was a mess up, they fixed it, and it's the same as the one on seasonic website now

https://seasonic.com/focus-gx?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_5117c1737d7ff9054937275c82d372fc8ad3e1f8-1628781080-0-gqNtZGzNAc2jcnBszQfO

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PSU GD650M 650W 80 Plus Gold F/M 110-240V | ocpc (ocpcgaming.com)
This any good?

Desktop specs:

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AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX

Asrock Challenger Pro OC Radeon RX 6700 XT Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (8Gx2) 3600MHz CL18 Kingston NV2 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD

Montech Century 850W Gold Tecware Nexus Air (Black) ATX Mid Tower

Laptop: Lenovo Ideapad 5 Pro 16ACH6

Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro 8+128

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1 hour ago, genexis_x said:

PSU GD650M 650W 80 Plus Gold F/M 110-240V | ocpc (ocpcgaming.com)
This any good?

I cant find any good info about it. i would not consider buying that.

QUOTE ME  FOR ANSWER.

 

Main PC:

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|Ryzen 7 3700x, OC to 4.2ghz @1.3V, 67C, or 4.4ghz @1.456V, 87C || Asus strix 5700 XT, +50 core, +50 memory, +50 power (not a great overclocker) || Asus Strix b550-A || G.skill trident Z Neo rgb 32gb 3600mhz cl16-19-19-19-39, oc to 3733mhz with the same timings || Cooler Master ml360 RGB AIO || Phanteks P500A Digital || Thermaltake ToughPower grand RGB750w 80+gold || Samsung 850 250gb and Adata SX 6000 Lite 500gb || Toshiba 5400rpm 1tb || Asus Rog Theta 7.1 || Asus Rog claymore || Asus Gladius 2 origin gaming mouse || Monitor 1 Asus 1080p 144hz || Monitor 2 AOC 1080p 75hz || 

Test Rig.

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| Ryzen 5 3400G || Gigabyte b450 S2H || Hyper X fury 2x4gb 2666mhz cl 16 ||Stock cooler || Antec NX100 || Silverstone essential 400w || Transgend SSD 220s 480gb ||

Just Sold

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| i3 9100F || Msi Gaming X gtx 1050 TI || MSI Z390 A-Pro || Kingston 1x16gb 2400mhz cl17 || Stock cooler || Kolink Horizon RGB || Corsair CV 550w || Pny CS900 120gb ||

 

Tier lists for building a PC.

 

Motherboard tier list. Tier A for overclocking 5950x. Tier B for overclocking 5900x, Tier C for overclocking 5800X. Tier D for overclocking 5600X. Tier F for 4/6 core Cpus at stock. Tier E avoid.

(Also case airflow matter or if you are using Downcraft air cooler)

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Gpu tier list. Rtx 3000 and RX 6000 not included since not so many reviews. Tier S for Water cooling. Tier A and B for overcloking. Tier C stock and Tier D avoid.

( You can overclock Tier C just fine, but it can get very loud, that is why it is not recommended for overclocking, same with tier D)

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Psu tier List. Tier A for Rtx 3000, Vega and RX 6000. Tier B For anything else. Tier C cheap/IGPU. Tier D and E avoid.

(RTX 3000/ RX 6000 Might run just fine with higher wattage tier B unit, Rtx 3070 runs fine with tier B units)

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Cpu cooler tier list. Tier 1&2 for power hungry Cpus with Overclock. Tier 3&4 for overclocking Ryzen 3,5,7 or lower power Intel Cpus. Tier 5 for overclocking low end Cpus or 4/6 core Ryzen. Tier 6&7 for stock. Tier 8&9 Ryzen stock cooler performance. Do not waste your money!

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Storage tier List. Tier A for Moving files/  OS. Tier B for OS/Games. Tier C for games. Tier D budget Pcs. Tier E if on sale not the worst but not good.

(With a grain of salt, I use tier C for OS myself)

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Case Tier List. Work In Progress. Most Phanteks airflow series cases already done!

Ask me anything :)

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1 hour ago, genexis_x said:

PSU GD650M 650W 80 Plus Gold F/M 110-240V | ocpc (ocpcgaming.com)
This any good?

No idea, absolutely zero reviews nor any info or even good enough shots of it to peek at internals, looking at the modular panel i have a feeling that it's probably Andyson but that's as far as it goes.

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4 hours ago, Juular said:

No idea, absolutely zero reviews nor any info or even good enough shots of it to peek at internals, looking at the modular panel i have a feeling that it's probably Andyson but that's as far as it goes.

Not even an actual 80 PLUS report.

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19 hours ago, Juular said:

It is certainly better as long as it's an actual Focus GX, not the older Focus Plus Gold (or just Focus Gold).

I used older Focus Gold or Prime in dozens of configurations built for clients in my work with a wide variety of cards like 2070/S/2080/S/ti/Titan often with manual calibration and overclocking, now i'm using GX/PX line with Ampere and sometimes RDNA2, no one has ever returned a set for warranty because of these power supplies. I know that some people may have experienced some problems especially with Vega cards tripping OCP and you can find these stories on forums but dude, seasonic is a huge power supply manufacturer, so it's not surprising that with such a number of units sold you can find some negative feedback somewhere, if you have for example 0.1% of rma from 50K it's 50 but from 500K it's going to be 500. Older FX units are not even more produced for 2-3 years, they changed to 'one seasonic' in 2019.

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1 hour ago, Sapphiree said:

I used older Focus Gold or Prime in dozens of configurations built for clients in my work with a wide variety of cards like 2070/S/2080/S/ti/Titan often with manual calibration and overclocking, now i'm using GX/PX line with Ampere and sometimes RDNA2, no one has ever returned a set for warranty because of these power supplies. I know that some people may have experienced some problems especially with Vega cards tripping OCP and you can find these stories on forums but dude, seasonic is a huge power supply manufacturer, so it's not surprising that with such a number of units sold you can find some negative feedback somewhere, if you have for example 0.1% of rma from 50K it's 50 but from 500K it's going to be 500. Older FX units are not even more produced for 2-3 years, they changed to 'one seasonic' in 2019.

And none of this contradicts to my post. Focus GX is fine, Focus (Plus) Gold revisions before 2018 had problems with high-transient Vegas, probably will with Ampere too. It's not some mere tenths of percent, it was a fairly known issue at the time when Vegas were popular, mind you they never were very popular to start with, if they were as popular as Ampere today it would've probably been all over the internet (and i in fact did see some reports of users with these older Focus units and Ampere having shutdowns). And yes, Focus (Gold) Plus is out of production, but i still see it being some by some small retailers in some countries. And since there are a) Focus GX which doesn't have this problem, and b) you can't say if Focus (Plus) Gold you see at the online marketplace was manufactured after or prior 2018 - it's better to avoid the latter altogether, hence my warning. I imagine that's partly the reason why they did a rebranding in the first place, since otherwise there are hardly any changes other than the name.

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On 7/28/2021 at 5:11 PM, jonnyGURU said:

I'm not saying YOU should buy from a distributor.  I'm saying the scalpers are. 

 

What the fuck, dude?  How and why would Corsair encourage scalping?  Corsair isn't "selling to scalpers".  There is a set clientele that Corsair sells to.  If a scalper taps into one of those resources (ASI, Ingram Micro, Synnex, etc.), Corsair has no control over that.  Jesus.

 

Scalpers don't help Corsair.  They hurt.  We have obligations to actual resellers and if we don't have inventory because some dick head bought 1000 pieces from a disty that were supposed to go to WalMart because someone at the disty thought it would be quickly replenished without realizing that the next container isn't leaving the port for it's 6 to 8 week sea journey for another two weeks because it's impossible to book a ship these days, then they're going to buy a different brand... that's not Corsair's fault.  But I guess you have absolutely no idea how channel distribution works.

And there are plenty of Corsair PSUs at Best Buy, Microcenter, etc. too.  At non-scalper prices.  I wouldn't rule out Amazon and Newegg either, but do make sure that the "seller" says Amazon or Newegg and not "AAAbe Amazing Deals".

 

Hi Jonny, it has been awhile and I can see my post has caused quite a stir, lets see if I can straighten out the english comprehension a little.

"All <b>you</b> need is a tax ID and <b>you</b> can buy as many PSUs from them as <b>you</b> want."

The above is a quote from your previous response, if you were only referring to scalpers I would expect a 'they' rather than 'you' at the bolded spots.  If I mistook your response as encouraging scalping I apologize, but you wrote it that way, not me.  As it is written what you wrote could be construed as encouraging scalping, which is why I did a double response after reading it again.

Why Corsair would want to encourage scalping?  Well as a public company it might help a quarterly report to have stock move sooner rather than later in another quarter, its trivial to imagine such justifications. 

I don't deserve the insults though, and the corsair units in question, the hx1200, just got back in stock today, or yesterday at the corsair website, I've been following closely.  Scalpers have had no competition against them flogging that specific unit at ridiculous prices until now, they were not available anywhere at retail pricing so don't pretend that they were out there all over the place, they weren't.  Some scalpers were even breaking them open and selling the cables separately from their marked up units on Ebay, a particularly odious crime imho.  Having finally just bought one directly from Corsair I came here to check if the internals had been swapped for more readily available parts but I did not expect all this hate.

I called for boycotting scalpers choking the supply, whoa my temerity!  And given my entirely reasonable interpretation of what you yourself wrote, I suggested corsair could be vulnerable to the same if that was something that was actually being encouraged.  Imagine the uppity customers!  Can't have that lets insult them instead, that'll teach em?  And EVGA PSUs at 1300w are in fact stacked up at Microcenter, are a suitable replacement for the specific unit I was looking at but I could afford patience, I meant only to suggest going for them instead of letting a scalper rip you, if waiting wasn't an option.  I hadn't come here yet to see all the poor manners on display.

Joseph

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7 hours ago, JosephN said:


Why Corsair would want to encourage scalping?  Well as a public company it might help a quarterly report to have stock move sooner rather than later in another quarter, its trivial to imagine such justifications. 
 

It still sound ludicrous.  Again, you have to realize the big picture.  Corsair isn't making more or less money based on WHO is buying the product.  And as it is, the component shortages you're hearing about all over the news impacts PSU manufacturers as well.  Take the HX, for example.  We can't keep them in stock, not because of scalpers, but because we can't get enough of the Infineon PWM MOSFETs to build supply.  Sure, there's a Vishay part that looks to be the same on paper, but we tested it and disqualified it because they failed and wanted to avoid a Gigabyte situation.   If we could build 3x the product, we would be able to sell 3x the product.

 

I flew off the handle.  Yeah.  Sorry about that. But just the thought of any company even "welcoming", "supporting" or "appreciating" scalping just blows me away. 

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https://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/1368
 

Are 400w and 500w same internally in terms of quality parts? I don't need 500w but most reviews I've read are for 500w+.

 

The reviews are from 2018/19 and for the SU9, i can only get the BN60_  are these newer models and same build quality i.e C tier?

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58 minutes ago, jonsnow88 said:

Are 400w and 500w same internally in terms of quality parts? I don't need 500w but most reviews I've read are for 500w+.

The reviews are from 2018/19 and for the SU9, i can only get the BN60_  are these newer models and same build quality i.e C tier?

As you've noticed, there are no reviews newer than from 2018/19 so we don't know if there weren't components changes, although there most likely were not, at least to the point where it gets worse. be quiet! doesn't seem to be the kind of company which shoots themselves in the foot. *cough* Gigabyte *cough*. I'm also not aware of any reviews of 400W version with components breakdown so i can't comment on that either.

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1 hour ago, Juular said:

As you've noticed, there are no reviews newer than from 2018/19 so we don't know if there weren't components changes, although there most likely were not, at least to the point where it gets worse. be quiet! doesn't seem to be the kind of company which shoots themselves in the foot. *cough* Gigabyte *cough*. I'm also not aware of any reviews of 400W version with components breakdown so i can't comment on that either.

So would you say stay away from even the 500w since there are no reviews of the BN model?

 

I originally bought the CV450 for my pc but am in the return window. It's an old i5 4460 and no dGPU and want to go cheap.

 

Only considered the be quiet coz dc-dc

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14 minutes ago, jonsnow88 said:

So would you say stay away from even the 500w since there are no reviews of the BN model?

I originally bought the CV450 for my pc but am in the return window. It's an old i5 4460 and no dGPU and want to go cheap.

It's completely fine for that config, even CV450 is really.

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24 minutes ago, Juular said:

It's completely fine for that config, even CV450 is really.

My thinking is that if it's the same price why not get the one that is DC-DC and 50w more.

 

I've read the review for BN246 and according to anandtech the BN246 and BN607 are the same but different regions.

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12820/be-quiet-launches-inexpensive-system-power-u9-psus-for-system-builders

 

 

https://nl.hardware.info/artikel/8551/3/be-quiet-system-power-9-voedingen-review-weinig-euros-veel-watts-fotos-en-specificaties

 

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6 minutes ago, jonsnow88 said:

and according to anandtech the BN246 and BN607 are the same but different regions.

Nope, they're completely different. Both with DC-DC but System Power 9 (BN246) is 230V only, System Power U9 (BN607) is full-range, so it's better.

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22 hours ago, Juular said:

Nope, they're completely different. Both with DC-DC but System Power 9 (BN246) is 230V only, System Power U9 (BN607) is full-range, so it's better.

Then comparable to the BN287?

 

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Guys, I ask for a little explanation why Super Flower Leadex III Gold (Pro) ARGB "Gold" color, while Platinum SE / Titanium are colorless.Is it better than these two models in terms of performance?  
Sorry for bad english i don't speak it.

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1 hour ago, Alaxamore said:

Guys, I ask for a little explanation why Super Flower Leadex III Gold (Pro) ARGB "Gold" color, while Platinum SE / Titanium are colorless.Is it better than these two models in terms of performance?

Last time i checked reviews on them, Leadex Platinum wasn't very quiet, but i'd look again, maybe SE version is. And being quiet is one of requirements for gold color in tier A.

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2 hours ago, Juular said:

Last time i checked reviews on them, Leadex Platinum wasn't very quiet, but i'd look again, maybe SE version is. And being quiet is one of requirements for gold color in tier A.

Thanks for the answer comrade.

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Hello, I'm about to buy bequiet Straight power 11 1000w platinum but w would be grateful if somebody would explain me this:

 

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Tier A • Recommended for high-end systems

...

( multi-rail )
• be quiet! | Dark Power 12 [non-Pro] - Straight Power 11 Gold =>750W / Platinum <=750W

...

( low priority units )
• be quiet! | Dark Power 12 [non-Pro] - Straight Power 11 Gold <=650W / Platinum =>850W

 

Does that mean that platinum 1000W would be worse than 850W gold? Also what does low priority units mean?
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On 8/14/2021 at 10:12 AM, jonsnow88 said:

https://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/1368
 

Are 400w and 500w same internally in terms of quality parts? I don't need 500w but most reviews I've read are for 500w+.

 

The reviews are from 2018/19 and for the SU9, i can only get the BN60_  are these newer models and same build quality i.e C tier?

I went ahead and got the 500W BN607, turns out that is just the "article" number on the box. The model indeed says SU9-500W on the box and PSU.

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