Mantle renderer now available in Battlefield 4 BENCHMARKS!!

[Kobz360]

This is awesome, so even if you have like a reasonably balanced system (8350-7970), you still get a very noticeable performance increase. In fact it seems to get better the more high end your system is which is interesting. What's even better is Mantle seems to smooth out the CPU/GPU usages in the game which is nice. 

 

Still pumped for Linus' benchmarks, they will be the true defining factor. 

[rentaspoon]

What website is that on a T-Mobile is blocking the site

[samuel]

off topic: I would love to see the reaction of a year 2002 fps gamer when seing this screenshot.....

[KamiKatze]

So, will this get rid of the DirextX "GetDevice.." error? Because technically it's using mantle instead of DirectX, isn't it? That would help a lot.

[SkilledRebuilds]

off topic: I would love to see the reaction of a year 2002 fps gamer when seing this screenshot.....

 

Thoughts of from 2002,...Out of all that top info, being the wow factor, I'd look at CPU/GPU, and then go what the actual hell is Mantle?

Rendering pipeline... leik DX8? Wha?

Remember when Cudacores/Stream Processors were those seperate vertex&pixel shader pipelines,better yet,..

 

tl:dr Warning

 

Here is some history for you anyway.

For a long time (up to and including the shader model 3.0 generation of GPUs), vertex and pixel shaders were implemented with different units that had different performance trade-offs,

and vertex caches were a fairly simple affair: usually just a FIFO for a small number (think one or two dozen) of vertices, with enough space for a worst-case number of output attributes,

using the vertex index as a tag. As said, fairly straightforward stuff.

 

And then unified shaders happened. If you unify two types of shaders that used to be different, the design is necessarily going to be a compromise.

So on the one hand, you have vertex shaders, which (at that time) touched maybe up to 1 million vertices a frame in normal use. On the other hand you had pixel shaders,

which at 1920×1200 need to touch at least 2.3 million pixels a frame just to fill the whole screen once – and a lot more if you want to render anything interesting. So guess which of the two units ended up pulling the short straw?

 

Okay, so instead of the vertex shader units of old that shaded more or less one vertex at a time, you now have a huge beast of a unified shader unit that’s designed for maximum throughput, not latency.

 

Drop ya pants and raise your glass for Innovation.

[SkilledRebuilds]

So, will this get rid of the DirextX "GetDevice.." error? Because technically it's using mantle instead of DirectX, isn't it? That would help a lot.

The first time you load BF4 it will be DX11, you select in game that it loads Mantle, and I'm sure that next time you load, it would load in the profile folder config before starting the game and be defaulted to Mantle.

 

One can only hope it also covers that annoyance.

[Ashaira]

tl:dr Warning

 

Here is some history for you anyway.

For a long time (up to and including the shader model 3.0 generation of GPUs), vertex and pixel shaders were implemented with different units that had different performance trade-offs,

and vertex caches were a fairly simple affair: usually just a FIFO for a small number (think one or two dozen) of vertices, with enough space for a worst-case number of output attributes,

using the vertex index as a tag. As said, fairly straightforward stuff.

 

And then unified shaders happened. If you unify two types of shaders that used to be different, the design is necessarily going to be a compromise.

So on the one hand, you have vertex shaders, which (at that time) touched maybe up to 1 million vertices a frame in normal use. On the other hand you had pixel shaders,

which at 1920×1200 need to touch at least 2.3 million pixels a frame just to fill the whole screen once – and a lot more if you want to render anything interesting. So guess which of the two units ended up pulling the short straw?

 

Okay, so instead of the vertex shader units of old that shaded more or less one vertex at a time, you now have a huge beast of a unified shader unit that’s designed for maximum throughput, not latency.

 

Drop ya pants and raise your glass for Innovation.

 

I would kill to get my hands on Mantle right now and start working with it. I would sign the blackest NDA there is for the chance.

[Mo5]

Getting the best out of our AMD ecosystem... Biggest improvement with an Intel CPU. Good job AMD

[FellTheSky]

wow, an actual reason to go for a 4930k. (other than rendering) 

[GoodBytes]

Interesting. Still uses DirectX at the end of the day.

Now, I want to see how it perform with OpenGL. And I expect little to no performance gain, as AMD GPUs are not great at doing DirectX effectively, as that is what they focus on more. And you can see that even with the XBox One which uses DirectX and PS4 which uses OpenGL. The specs of the 2 are incredibly similar, yet PS4 is faster. From game benchmark of card, we can see that in most cases in DirectX games, Nvidia GPU's are faster.

Until I see the above. I see Mantle as a patch to the lack of performance of DirectX on their side.. but the patch will only work on select few games, possible less, like Nvidia's PhysX.

[cnapier39428]

Can't wait to see how this performs on my i5 / 290

[tp95112]

What I want to know is how a low end and mid end system performs

[DudeWazap]

Mantle looks pretty good. Hopefully it becomes a lot more popular soon.

[TechFan@ic]

Getting the best out of our AMD ecosystem... Biggest improvement with an Intel CPU. Good job AMD

Ah no, I think you misunderstood the numbers.

The more significant the single-threaded CPU bottleneck is the bigger the jump in performance will be.

Official numbers from DICE :

• Core i7-4960X CPU + R9 290X GPU
  • 1080p, Ultra Preset, 4xAA: 9.2% improvement with Mantle
  • 1600p, Ultra Preset, 4xAA: 10% improvement with Mantle
• A10-7700K CPU + R9 290X GPU
  • 1080p, Ultra Preset, 4xAA: 40.9% improvement
  • 1600p, Ultra Preset, 4xAA: 17.3% improvement

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Catalyst-141-Beta-Driver-Brings-Mantle-Support-Frame-Pacing-Phase-2-HSA

[SkilledRebuilds]

Does the 7790 support bios flashing into a 260x...? @TechFan@ic <- your pretty in the know on these things I noticed previously

Because - "Please note that only the following GCN cards will work for now: AMD Radeon R9 290X, R9 290, R7 260X and Kaveri APU"

HD7790 users may be able to unlock more performance now and not later with a bios flash...

 

HD7790 even has True audio, disabled of course. Although mention of bios flashing and unlocking it,.. isnt mentioned much from the audio only standpoint.

[sotiris.bos]

What ram is that 3960x running?

[exotioner]

Looks good ! 

Your reply fits your picture so well..

[nsyedhasan]

I guess it was up to 45%....

[SkilledRebuilds]

I guess it was up to 45%....

Up to 50+% so far

With DualGpu systems of Highend nature still being crippled a bit by High end CPU's, being slightly alleviated better to provide even more CPU grunt feeding the DualGpu's showing a lot of realtime actual performance increases unlocked with Mantle.

[Damikiller37]

Now DICE has no excuses to not fixing Battlefield 4! Let's hope they actually get the game of the ground and fix it...

[nsyedhasan]

Up to 50+% so far

With DualGpu systems of Highend nature still being crippled a bit by High end CPU's, being slightly alleviated better to provide even more CPU grunt feeding the DualGpu's showing a lot of realtime actual performance unlocked with Mantle.

I hope they work on single card performance as well. 

 

 

Now DICE has no excuses to not fixing Battlefield 4! Let's hope they actually get the game of the ground and fix it...

BF4 will probably have more bugs to be ironed out with Mantle.

[GoodBytes]

Microsoft's Directx is a curse to gamers, but thank god AMD is bringing much needed revolution to the gaming through mantle.

Yes, that is why, based on Mantle documentation, it says that it requires DirectX in conjunction for it to work. It can't be stand alone thing

So no. Don't say things you don't know anything about.

[SpenceSouth]

Awesome, yet disappointing that the 7000 series wasn't supported out of the gate.  Looks like this really removes the CPU bottleneck AND increases GPU efficiency on top of that.  Kudos.  Also, let's keep in mind for both the haters and lovers of AMD that this is only a first release of Mantle!  I'm excited to think of where this will go.

[rentaspoon]

Getting the best out of our AMD ecosystem... Biggest improvement with an Intel CPU. Good job AMD

Of course it does, intel can't handle the power. :-)

Either that or intel has a new PA

[SkilledRebuilds]

I hope they work on single card performance as well. 

The performance improvement from your Single GPU will solely depend on whether the CPU driving it, is doing so 100% efficiently or lacking the grunt. Mantle will provide the CPU that cannot fully use a GPU, into doing so.

 

Single GPU being a 290x

Throw it on a older Athlon 955 (Still a quadcore, 3.2ghz) just architecturally older, it will bottleneck the 290x, providing less average framerates and more variance/dips. Mantle should stop this from happening and give zFULL Potential back to the GPU enabling the highest of minimum/average framerates available to it.