My father is buying a 9900k based system.

[Turtle Rig]

Here is the PCPP

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler	$74.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$169.78 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$154.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$149.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	MSI - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card	$164.99 @ Newegg
Case	Phanteks - P300 ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$59.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$874.43
	Mail-in rebates	-$50.00
	Total	$824.43
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-20 09:38 EDT-0400

 

He deserved a new rig as he has a Sandy 2600k from 2011.  He uses Premiere, Photoshop and other Photo editing software.  He does not game at all, but the 580 price is so cheap;  why not.  I have a question about the cooler.  What would yall get ?  80 bucks is a bit pricey don't you think.  Thanks all.  Also this price is without a 9900k CPU ,, add that and it will be 1200 bucks total.

 

[Nocte]

Do not get the MSI Armor. It's probably the worst dual fan cooling design you can get.

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, Nocte said:

Do not get the MSI Armor. It's probably the worst dual fan cooling design you can get.

Wow, thanks for the heads up, I didn't know this.  What do you think of this video card. 

XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

He does not game at all, but the 580 price is so cheap;  why not.

The RX 570 is greater value, it has the same memory configuration so still very useful for video editing tasks, but better bang for buck.

 

And if you really want bang for buck, wait for new Ryzen and the competition will hopefully force prices down.

[Oalei]

can your dad just get a 7 2700X?

 

Well for cooler maybe some AIO with 280/360Rads for daily use and why do you have to buy a Samsung 960 Evo? 

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, fasauceome said:

The RX 570 is greater value, it has the same memory configuration so still very useful for video editing tasks, but better bang for buck.

 

And if you really want bang for buck, wait for new Ryzen and the competition will hopefully force prices down.

Yeah I was telling my old man to wait 2 months for Zen 2.  But this is before I found out Zen 2 initially will be 8 core to compete against the 9900k.  Anything higher then 8 cores would be HEDT ThreadRipper.  So I told him F it... Just buy a 9900k now.  50 bucks up or down either way doesn't matter to much.

[Jurrunio]

Adobe Suite prefers Nvidia CUDA though...

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, Oalei said:

can your dad just get a 7 2700X?

 

Well for cooler maybe some AIO with 280/360Rads for daily use and why do you have to buy a Samsung 960 Evo? 

Well I explained to my dad about the m.2 and even told him in real world its same speed as SSD.  I told him the motherboard has socket for m.2.  Plus his SSDs are small sized and pretty full.  So we save those SSDs and add a m.2 for OS and apps and data.  Is it a bad deal you say ?

[Oalei]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Well I explained to my dad about the m.2 and even told him in real world its same speed as SSD.  I told him the motherboard has socket for m.2.  Plus his SSDs are small sized and pretty full.  So we save those SSDs and add a m.2 for OS and apps and data.  Is it a bad deal you say ?

if its just for OS and some small imporant stuff its ok (if its frequently being use over and over and over and over and over and over and over again), if not then just buy a SATA SSD you can get a 1TB and 2TB HDD probably with that ammount of money.

[Princess Luna]

11 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

but the 580 price is so cheap; 

Adobe is completely garbage at utilizing OpenCL based hardware acceleration to the point a RTX 2060 already is capable of outperforming whatever AMD has to offer for Premiere Pro in specific:

 

I'd say a GTX 1660 makes better sense than the RX 580 at this price point as CUDA acceleration functions with much superiority while NVENC also works a lot better on Premiere Pro for encoding. Therefore if Premiere Pro is it's main focus nVidia it is...

 

Or he could switch to Vegas Pro which better utilizes OpenCL and for some reason AMD's VCE also outperforms NVENC for encoding:

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, Oalei said:

can your dad just get a 7 2700X?

 

Well for cooler maybe some AIO with 280/360Rads for daily use and why do you have to buy a Samsung 960 Evo? 

I told him about this he insists on Intel.  I mean he got us into computing in the 80's and it was always Intel, and he simply wants a Intel so I go F it, grab the 9900k alto its been 430 bucks then 460 bucks then 500 bucks then 580 bucks.  He doesn't seem to be concerned about waiting for prices to drop, I mean the 9900k will always be 400 dollars and up.  So he is ok to lose some money out of it by not going Ryzen or Ryzen Zen 2 for that matter.

[Fasauceome]

4 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Anything higher then 8 cores would be HEDT ThreadRipper

16 core Ryzen is a strong likelihood

[Princess Luna]

5 minutes ago, Oalei said:

can your dad just get a 7 2700X?

Why? The i9 9900K will outperform even a Threadripper 1950X on Premiere Pro...

[Nocte]

8 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Wow, thanks for the heads up, I didn't know this.  What do you think of this video card.

That's a ton better. But if your father does not need a GPU, you could get a cheaper GPU.

Like a RX 570 or 1650. I would go for the NVIDIA (maybe even 1660) just because CUDA.

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, Princess Luna said:

Adobe is completely garbage at utilizing OpenCL based hardware acceleration to the point a RTX 2060 already is capable of outperforming whatever AMD has to offer for Premiere Pro in specific:

 

I'd say a GTX 1660 makes better sense than the RX 580 at this price point as CUDA acceleration functions much superiority while NVENC also works a lot better on Premiere Pro for encoding. Therefore if Premiere Pro is it's main focus nVidia it is... Or he could switch to Vegas Pro which better utilizes OpenCL and for some reason AMD's VCE also outperforms NVENC for encoding:

Wow you rock Princess Luna.  Thank you for your expertise.  Ok Im gonna switch to a nVidia card.  Also he already has a 1060 6GB.  But we don't want to take it out as we want access to both old computer and new build at same time so he knows what to install and what not.  Should we put the 1060 in the new rig and buy a really cheap video card to replace it on his old rig ?

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, Princess Luna said:

Why? The i9 9900K will outperform even a Threadripper 1950X on Premiere Pro...

with current patching tho... i'd rather get an 2700(x) currently

[Oalei]

3 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

I told him about this he insists on Intel.  I mean he got us into computing in the 80's and it was always Intel, and he simply wants a Intel so I go F it, grab the 9900k alto its been 430 bucks then 460 bucks then 500 bucks then 580 bucks.  He doesn't seem to be concerned about waiting for prices to drop, I mean the 9900k will always be 400 dollars and up.  So he is ok to lose some money out of it by not going Ryzen or Ryzen Zen 2 for that matter.

well for that use you have no reason to change it tbh i9 9900k perform better in premiere than what AMD have to offer (mostly not all probably).

[Princess Luna]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

with current patching tho... i'd rather get an 2700(x) currently

What patching? You mean the MDS in which Coffee Lake already has hardware level fixes therefore it does not matter nor apply on this case?

[Oalei]

2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Why? The i9 9900K will outperform even a Threadripper 1950X on Premiere Pro...

like if i can just drop it to 9700k and get a 2060 its more better than i9 9900k, IMO

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

with current patching tho... i'd rather get an 2700(x) currently

I would want that too for him Luke, but he insists on Intel so Im not going to argue with him on that point.  As I said he got us into computers back in the 80's and it was always Intel so he wants Intel alto the AMD is better bang for your buck and sh*T.

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, Princess Luna said:

What patching? You mean the MDS in which Coffee Lake already has hardware level fixes therefore it does not matter nor apply on this case?

oh, wait

 

that was on <=kaby, right

 

my bad

 

my take tho, because that build won't do well in some things

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor	$214.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$88.09 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard	$159.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$129.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Team - MS30 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$102.29 @ Newegg
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB OC Video Card	$339.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design - Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case	$53.03 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Cooler Master - MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$69.90 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1158.17
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-20 09:57 EDT-0400

970 isn't really neccisary, the older armors were horrible, you probably want nvenc and cuda, if you put this hardware on a dual forward, it'll whine hardcore, and for 50 bucks i can also get a focus g that can fit the pro model

 

i chose the amd side of things, because that's a heck lot cheaper and the fx days are over

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, Oalei said:

like if i can just drop it to 9700k and get a 2060 its more better than i9 9900k, IMO

Thanks for your input my friend, I will consider it.  I just want my old man to be happy and no regrets and this will be his final build of his life as he is 76 years old.  This rig will have to last 10 years.

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

I would want that too for him Luke, but he insists on Intel so Im not going to argue with him on that point.  As I said he got us into computers back in the 80's and it was always Intel so he wants Intel alto the AMD is better bang for your buck and sh*T.

intel is better?

 

i want you to show him 3 things

 

meltdown

spectre

zombieload

[SenKa]

Since everybody glanced over the cooler pricing question Turtle had, I'll answer.

 

The DRP4 and Noctua NHD15 are well worth their price. I got the latter, because it has better compatibility with tall RAM and PCI-E slots close to the motherboard.

[ch3w2oy]

14 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yeah I was telling my old man to wait 2 months for Zen 2.  But this is before I found out Zen 2 initially will be 8 core to compete against the 9900k.  Anything higher then 8 cores would be HEDT ThreadRipper.  So I told him F it... Just buy a 9900k now.  50 bucks up or down either way doesn't matter to much.

This isn't true at all man. Please remove your head from your anus. I told you in another thread 8 cores on Zen 2 makes less sense than more cores. Go back and read Stefan Paynes reply as well.. 

 

 

You're just being naive at this point..