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Graphics Card (Cooling/VRM) Tier List (Navi Update)

5 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

I don't recall the exact fix they've done, but from what I've seen is the RAW II now fine, while users had complaints before the Thicc ii fix, so it's mostly assumed

thanks for the response.

 

i have an older RAW II and while with my custom settings its manageable, i was wondering if they had a similar fix offer for users of earlier versions that they do for the THICC II

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Hey, guys. I just wanted to ask what would be the best way to tell if a 5700 or 5700XT is fake or not.

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MSI: Evoke (after fix), Mech (after fix)

 

What do you mean by "after fix?"  Fix what?  I have a MSI Mech OC. and am having problems with it.  Is there some fix I should know about?

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On 3/19/2019 at 2:56 PM, LukeSavenije said:

Credit to: @GoldenLag, @XR6

Disclaimer:

 

This list only covers the GTX 1000 series, GTX 1600 series and RTX 2000 series for Nvidia, RX 500 series, 5700 and RX Vega for AMD. Cards are not prefered between AMD or Nvidia or any brand listed here. Notes may be included with some of the cards. Tiers are based on facts. We rate on known problems, vrm and cooling capacity.

 

List is subject to change at any time, due to change in sources available.

 

Italics: estimated possition

 

*=best blower cards (use vapor chamber cooling)

 

AMD (RX 57XX)

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Tier S The best (Highest end PCB, exceeding cards)

AMD: Reference with custom cooler

Gigabyte: Aorus

MSI: Gaming X

Powercolor: Red Devil

Sapphire: Nitro+

XFX: Thicc III

 

Tier A High end (great cooling)

Gigabyte: Gaming OC

Sapphire: Pulse

Powercolor: Red Dragon

MSI: Evoke (after fix), Mech (after fix)

XFX: Thicc II (after fix), RAW II (after fix)

 

Tier B High-Midrange (midrange cooling)

Asus: ROG Strix

Asrock: Challenger, taichi

 

Tier C Midrange (borderline cooler)

MSI: Evoke, Mech

XFX: Thicc II, RAW II

 

Tier D Low-Midrange (hot running cards, can be solved with a 3rd party cooler or slight modifications)

Asus: Founders/Blower, TUF X3

Asrock: Founders/Blower

Gigabyte: Founders/Blower

Powercolor: Founders/Blower

MSI: Founders/Blower

Sapphire: Founders/Blower

XFX: Founders/Blower

AMD (RX 5XX)

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Tier A High end (great pcb, great cooler)

Asus: ROG Strix, Arez Strix

Gigabyte: Aorus, Aorus XTR

Powercolor: Red Devil, Golden Sample

Sapphire: Nitro+, Nitro+ SE

 

Tier B High-Midrange (good cooler, decent pcb)

Asrock: Phantom Gaming U, Phantom Gaming X

Asus: (Arez) Dual, Expedition

Gigabyte: Gaming (OC)

MSI: Armor MK2, Gaming (X)

Sapphire: Pulse

XFX: Black, GTR-S, GTS, Black Core, XXX

 

Tier C Midrange (meh cooler, good enough pcb)

Asrock: Phantom Gaming D

Diamond: D5

XFX: Fatboy

 

Tier D Low-Midrange (hot running cards, can be solved with aftermarket cooler)

AMD: Reference blower

MSI: Armor, V1

Sapphire: Pulse ITX

Visiontech: overclocked

AMD (RX VEGA)

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Tier A High end (Best cooled cards, great PCB)

Powercolor: Red Devil

Sapphire: Nitro+

 

Tier B High-Midrange (great cooled cards, good PCB)

AMD: Liquid, Frontier liquid

Asus: ROG Strix, Arez Strix (after fixes on vrm)

Gigabyte: Watercooling

HIS: Liquid

MSI: Wave

Powercolor: Red Dragon, liquid

Sapphire: Pulse, liquid

XFX: Liquid

 

Tier C Midrange (okay cooled cards, okay pcb)

AMD: VII reference

Asus: VII reference

Asrock: Phantom Gaming X VII

Gigabyte: Gaming OC, VII reference

Powercolor: AXVII

Sapphire: VII reference

XFX: VII reference

 

Tier D Low-end (hot cards, can be solved with 3rd party cooler)

AMD: Reference, Frontier

Asrock: Phantom gaming X VEGA

Gigabyte: Silver

HIS: Air, limited

MSI: Air Boost, iron, reference

Powercolor: nano, limited, reference

XFX: LDFF6

Nvidia (RTX 20xx/GTX 16xx)

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Tier S The best (used for LN2 overclocking)

EVGA: K|ngP|n

Galax: HOF air/water

KFA2: HOF air/water

MSI: Lightning Z

 

Tier A High end (great PCB, hybrid/watercooled cards)

Asus: ROG Matrix, ROG Poseidon

Evga: FTW3 Hybrid, XC Hybrid Gaming, FTW3 Hydro Copper

Gigabyte: Aorus Xtreme Waterforce

MSI: Sea Hawk (X)

 

Tier B High-Midrange (great PCB, high end cooler)

Asus: ROG Strix

Evga: FTW3 Ultra/Elite, XC Ultra, XC2 Ultra, FTW 3

Gigabyte: Aorus Xtreme, Aorus

Inno3D: iChill (Black)

MSI: Gaming (X) Trio, Lightning X, Duke

Zotac: AMP! Extreme (Core), AMP! Omega, AMP MAXX

 

Tier C Midrange (good PCB, midrange cooler)

Colorful: Vulcan X (OC)

Evga: SC2, XC Black

Galax: SG

Gigabyte: Gaming OC, OC Black

Nvidia: Founders

MSI: Gaming Z, Armor, Gaming (X)

Palit: (Super) Jetstream

PNY: XLR8

Zotac: AMP

 

Tier D Low-Midrange (okay cooled cards, decent enough pcb)

Asus: Dual

Galax: Dual, EXOC Snpr, EX

Gainward: Phoenix (GS)

Inno3D: Twinx2, Gaming OC

Leadtek: Cyclone

KFA2: OC, Dual

Palit: GamePro, Gamerock (premium), Dual, StormX, Pegasus

Zotac: Gaming

 

Tier E: Low end (hot running cards, can be solved with aftermarket cooler)

Asus: Turbo, Phoenix, LP

Diamond: RX

Evga: Gaming

Galax: Blower, OC Mini

Gigabyte: Turbo, Mini Itx OC

Inno3D: Jet

MSI: Aero, Ventus, ITX

Palit: KalmX

PNY: Blower

Zotac: Blower, Mini, Low Profile

Nvidia (GTX 10xx)

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Tier S The best (used for LN2 overclocking)

EVGA: K|ngP|n

Galax: HOF

KFA2: HOF

MSI: Lightning X

 

Tier A High end (great pcb, water/hybrid cooled)

Asus: ROG Matrix, ROG Poseidon

Corsair: Hydro

Evga: FTW3 Hybrid, FTW3 Hydro Copper, SC2 Hybrid

Gigabyte: Aorus Xtreme Waterforce

Inno3D: iChill X3 JEKYLL

MSI: Sea Hawk X

 

Tier B High-Midrange (great pcb, great aircooling)

Asus: ROG Strix

Evga: FTW3 Ultra, FTW3 Elite, FTW ACX 3.0, FTW ICX

Gigabyte: Aorus Xtreme, G1 Rock

Inno3D: iChill Black

Gigabyte: Aorus, Aorus Xtreme

MSI: Gaming (X) Trio, Lightning Z, Duke

Zotac: AMP! Extreme, AMP! Extreme Core

 

Tier C Midrange (decent pcb, decent cooler)

Colorful: Vulcan X, Vulcan X OC

Evga: ICX, SC Black, SC2, SC2 Elite, SC ACX 2.0, SSC ACX 3.0, SSC, SSC2, FTW+ DT, FTW+

Galax: SG

Gigabyte: G1 Gaming

HIS: IceQ X² Turbo, IceQ X² Roaring Turbo

Inno3D: Ichill

Leadtek: Hurricane OC

MSI: Gaming (X), Gaming Z

Powercolor: Liquid

Palit: Super Jetstream

PNY: XLR8

 

Tier D Low-Midrange End (okay cooler, okay pcb)

Asus: Dual, Expedition, Cerberus

Galax: Dual, EXOC Snpr, EX, SG

Gainward: Phoenix, Phoenix GS, Pegasos

Gigabyte: Gaming OC, Windforce, OC Black, G1, D5

Inno3D: Twinx2, Gaming OC

Leadtek: Hurricane, Cyclone

KFA2: OC, Dual

Palit: GamePro, Jetstream, Gamerock, Gamerock Premium

Zotac: Gaming, Amp!

 

Tier E Low End (hot running cards, some can be solved with 3rd party coolers)

Asus: Turbo*, Phoenix, TUF, LP

Diamond: RX

Evga: Gaming

Galax: Blower, Katana, OC LP, OC Mini

Gigabyte: Turbo, Mini Itx OC, Silver, OC Low profile

HIS: iCooler, Slim-iCooler

Inno3D: Jet, Compact, 1-Slot Edition

KFA2: Virtual look

Leadtek: Classic, rev. B, Passive, Single fan

MSI: Aero, ITX, Reference, Armor, LP

Nvidia: Founders Edition*

Palit: StormX, Pegasus, KalmX, Dual

PNY: Blower Style, single fan

Zotac: Blower, Mini, Low Profile

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You hate tier lists? don't use them. there are people who love them just for the simplicity of looking something up and go on, let those people have something

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Update Log:

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19-03-2019: release

19-03-2019: added a couple EVGA cards

20-03-2019: changed name, moved cards

24-03-2019: moved some zotac cards

5-08-2019: moved reddragon

26-09-2019: re-arranged units, separated in series, added Navi cards

26-09-2019 (2): Palit StormX/Gainward Pegasos a tier up, removed Asrock out of vidia, temporary positions for nitro+/TUF x3/Taichi

 

Hi, thanks for the post. It's very helpful. I've one question maybe you could elucidate the answer for me, 

 

I'm basically torn here on my next build, juggling options for graphics cards and I think that I have the candidates narrowed down, but let me know your opinion, 

 

I'm trying to decide between the 1070 TI or the 1660 TIE Fighter variant, which one provides the greatest boost speed? Thoughts on positives/negatives for both, I can pick one up used on ebay from the first order - Thabks!! 

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On 4/30/2020 at 12:57 PM, CardMan73 said:

MSI: Evoke (after fix), Mech (after fix)

 

What do you mean by "after fix?"  Fix what?  I have a MSI Mech OC. and am having problems with it.  Is there some fix I should know about?

Sounds like you need to contact MSI and run your serial number to see if it needs a fix.

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I’m happy to see my nitro plus there !!

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On 5/12/2020 at 10:52 AM, MrIronGolem27 said:

Any idea where this thing and the so-called Slimthicc fit on the list?

I would guess Tier B.

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Anyone know the quality of  xfx tripe dissipation?

~just bought one and getting buyers anxiety

Quote me for a reply, React if I was helpful, informative, or funny

 

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cpu: ryzen 5 3600 @4.4ghz @1.35v

gpu: rx5700xt 2200mhz

ram: vengeance lpx c15 3200mhz

mobo: gigabyte b550 pro 

psu: cooler master mwe 650w

case: masterbox mbx520

fans:Noctua industrial 3000rpm x6

 

 

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Asking some question here, my 5700 xt gaming x, reach peak of the memory temp about like 80c,but the core temp only peak at 70c when underload, is that a normal?

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i lowered my vram clock by 100mhz (5000-ish is stock) and my temps are below 70, but minecraft freezes my pc to the point i need to hold the power button to do anything. is it okay to underclock vram or not?

 

main rig:

CPU: 8086k @ 4.00ghz-4.3 boost

PSU: 750 watt psu gold (Corsair rm750)

gpu:axle p106-100 6gbz msi p104-100 @ 1887+150mhz oc gpu clock, 10,012 memory clock*2(sli?) on prime w coffee lake igpu

Mobo: Z390 taichi ultimate

Ram: 2x8gb corsair vengence lpx @3000mhz speed

case: focus G black

OS: ubuntu 16.04.6, and umix 20.04

Cooler: mugen 5 rev b,

Storage: 860 evo 1tb/ 120 gb corsair force nvme 500

 

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On 4/30/2020 at 3:16 PM, 486DX Win3.1 said:

1660 TIE Fighter variant

Can you share a link to this "tie fighter Variant" of the 1660? I have heard of this once before but I have never seen one, and I don't know what it is. Is it a 1660? A 1660 ti?

 

The 1660 ti would be preferable to a 1070 ti, it's newer and has about the same performance for lower power. Clock speed doesn't matter, because one is turing and one is pascal so they can't be compared directly. Though they typically will be clocking close to 1900MHz (or 2000MHz if you're lucky) as long as they have a good cooler. 

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

How many watts do I need? Seasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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@Fasauceome

 

tie figher is a starwars ship the sith use, so i guess its like how theres a cyberpunk version of the 20 series card. starwars themed 1660.

main rig:

CPU: 8086k @ 4.00ghz-4.3 boost

PSU: 750 watt psu gold (Corsair rm750)

gpu:axle p106-100 6gbz msi p104-100 @ 1887+150mhz oc gpu clock, 10,012 memory clock*2(sli?) on prime w coffee lake igpu

Mobo: Z390 taichi ultimate

Ram: 2x8gb corsair vengence lpx @3000mhz speed

case: focus G black

OS: ubuntu 16.04.6, and umix 20.04

Cooler: mugen 5 rev b,

Storage: 860 evo 1tb/ 120 gb corsair force nvme 500

 

backup

8gb ram celeron laptop/860 evo 500gb

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1 minute ago, Snowarch said:

@Fasauceome

 

tie figher is a starwars ship the sith use, so i guess its like how theres a cyberpunk version of the 20 series card. starwars themed 1660.

I know about star wars, but I have never seen this "tie fighter variant" of the 1660, and whether it's a 1660 or 1660 ti makes a big difference.

 

Got my own star wars themed GPU after all  B)

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

How many watts do I need? Seasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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Prolly auto corrected to it. From Ti variant. 

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Spare RIg Corsair Air 540, I7 4770K, Asus Maximus VI Extreme, G.Skill Ares 32Gb, EVGA 1080sc & 1060 SSC, Corsair CX850M, Acer KG251Q 1920x1080@240hz 

 

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My VRAM is hitting over 90C with fans set to 75% and the GPU core is sitting at like 73C. why is my VRAM running so hot and what can i do i really dont want to prematurely kill my card but also dont want to wait 6 months for the RMA. I have no idea how long the RMA would take but these days you never know waited over a month for my new monitor to arrive.

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got a really bad chip, or prime limitation got hit, as i can't overclock much, but my e level armor card gets temps in the low 50's with an overclock. not even 100% fan speed is hit. 

main rig:

CPU: 8086k @ 4.00ghz-4.3 boost

PSU: 750 watt psu gold (Corsair rm750)

gpu:axle p106-100 6gbz msi p104-100 @ 1887+150mhz oc gpu clock, 10,012 memory clock*2(sli?) on prime w coffee lake igpu

Mobo: Z390 taichi ultimate

Ram: 2x8gb corsair vengence lpx @3000mhz speed

case: focus G black

OS: ubuntu 16.04.6, and umix 20.04

Cooler: mugen 5 rev b,

Storage: 860 evo 1tb/ 120 gb corsair force nvme 500

 

backup

8gb ram celeron laptop/860 evo 500gb

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So I got an RX 5700 MSI MECH OC around 2 months ago, now in the list it appears twice, in A (after fix) and C (presumably before fix) so what does this mean exactly? are you supposed to manually fix it yourself or did MSI fix it at some point? I hope since I got it recently its the fixed one, I haven't had any serious thermal problems with it tbh.

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i would disagree with the Pallit  gamerock cooling, I have an rtx 2080 super and it overclocks like a beats and stays nice and cool, previous card hd750, Gigabyte sc gtx 970 , Gamerock 1080, Gigabyte Aorus 1080ti (hot little b*astard even after thermal grizzly treatment), i would take Pallit card all day long  

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I noticed the SC Ultra isn't on the list only the XC where does the SC Ultra end up?

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Corsair SF600

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On 3/19/2019 at 8:02 PM, LienusLateTips said:

Love my Tier D Vega :)

i have tier e :(( rtx 2060 ventus

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The MSI RX 570 4GB Armor has a discount atm in The Netherlands, (€120), next card after that is ASRock Phantom Gaming D Radeon RX570 8G OC for €145

Now I have noticed its put in Tier D, does that mean I better avoid the card?
Also, is there a difference between the MSI Armor 570 and MSI Armor 580?
 
Here the
list of cards of RX 570-580-590.

Or would it be better to go for a GTX 1650 Super?

Aiming for a budget build with 1600 AF, 16GB 3200 Ram.

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16 hours ago, Yushi95 said:

Now I have noticed its put in Tier D, does that mean I better avoid the card?

Its an ok card, just dont expect it to be the most quiet variant 

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