Nvidia reps suggest 2060 and below will not have Ray Tracing support

[Tech Enthusiast]

51 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

The 2080ti at least, they were using titan V's to develop RTX before then which is why the current RTX implementation only uses tensor cores, interesting note is that BFV is not using the tensor cores for AI denoising, they built a custom temporal solution. Once they offload the raytracing from the tensor cores to RT cores they could then implement DLSS and AI denoising.

Now that is some valuable information right there.

Kinda explains why Enlisted did so great on the 2080 ti (up to 130fps on 4k with RT) and BFV and Tomb Raider did so poorly.

 

Will be a fun few weeks on benches and a fun series of patch waves to adjust to the new technology.

A before -> after for Tomb Raider would be amazing. No idea how other games did so much better and Tomb Raider run like crap on the demo stage. Sure hope it is a similar reason to BFV.

[Rune]

1 hour ago, S w a t s o n said:

This is partly because the ray tracing implementation on BFV doesn't even use the RT cores yet. It's super, super unoptimized

People keep skipping over this part so I am going to repeat it. Unfinished games with unfinished drivers do not represent finished performance.

[JediFragger]

1 hour ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Apparently DICE only got a hold of the RTX shit a couple of weeks before the RTX announcement.

That's right, but they'd been working with Titan Volta's since February I gather.

[yian88]

HAHAHA.. wooooh fuck nvidia

if you buy nvidia 2070/80/ti  for RTX congrats boi you got played by nvidiot

 

I almost tought a week will pass without negative nvidiot news, seems i was wrong.

[mynameisjuan]

If the 2080ti can barely hit 60fps@1080 who the fuck cares if the 2060 doesnt support it. What you seriously going to play at 30fps@720?

[PlayStation 2]

10 minutes ago, yian88 said:

HAHAHA.. wooooh fuck nvidia

if you buy nvidia 2070/80/ti  for RTX congrats boi you got played by nvidiot

 

I almost tought a week will pass without negative nvidiot news, seems i was wrong.

Fuck Nvidia for... trying their hand at new tech?

[D13H4RD]

I mean, that would make sense.

 

Ray Tracing is really taxing and a 2080 Ti likely won't deliver blazingly fast performance on it. A 2060 with Ray Tracing is just asking for a slideshow 

 

The only issue I have with the RTX is their relative premium over the GTX 10. 

[Void Master]

11 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

If the 2080ti can barely hit 60fps@1080 who the fuck cares if the 2060 doesnt support it. What you seriously going to play at 30fps@720?

Ray Tracing is not optimized yet.

 

[mynameisjuan]

Just now, Void Master said:

Ray Tracing is not optimized yet.

 

Doesnt matter. Its still going to be unplayable at 1080p on a 2060 

[Void Master]

Just now, mynameisjuan said:

1 minute ago, Void Master said:

Ray Tracing is not optimized yet.

 

Doesnt matter. Its still going to be unplayable at 1080p on a 2060 

IT might be playable, but I do not care.

BFV open beta Ultra Setting And 1080p 60FPS with an rx580 8gb.

The game looks fantastic. So, ray tracing is THAT needed.

 

 

[mynameisjuan]

Just now, Void Master said:

IT might be playable, but I do not care.

BFV open beta Ultra Setting And 1080p 60FPS with an rx580 8gb.

The game looks fantastic. So, ray tracing is THAT needed.

 

 

I think you are missing the point. 2080ti ray tracing at Nvidias own demo was 60@1080. A 2060 would be like <20fps. 

 

Yeah your 580 is getting 60 but thats without ray tracing. The whole opposite of this thread

[Void Master]

Just now, mynameisjuan said:

3 minutes ago, Void Master said:

IT might be playable, but I do not care.

BFV open beta Ultra Setting And 1080p 60FPS with an rx580 8gb.

The game looks fantastic. So, ray tracing is THAT needed.

 

 

I think you are missing the point. 2080ti ray tracing at Nvidias own demo was 60@1080. A 2060 would be like <20fps. 

 

Yeah your 580 is getting 60 but thats without ray tracing. The whole opposite of this thread

I am saying that I do not care for ray tracing .so just let it go !!

But I am saying that it is better to wait then talk about ray tracing .

[mynameisjuan]

2 minutes ago, Void Master said:

I am saying that I do not care for ray tracing .so just let it go !!

But I am saying that it is better to wait then talk about ray tracing .

Ok well why are you posting in a ray tracing thread then?

[Void Master]

1 minute ago, mynameisjuan said:

4 minutes ago, Void Master said:

I am saying that I do not care for ray tracing .so just let it go !!

But I am saying that it is better to wait then talk about ray tracing .

Ok well why are you posting in a ray tracing thread then?

It is for the 2060 NOT supporting ray tracing

 

[mynameisjuan]

1 minute ago, Void Master said:

It is for the 2060 NOT supporting ray tracing

 

Correct, and my point is that it would play like shit with ray tracing so it matters little, but people are up in arms about it.

[Void Master]

1 minute ago, mynameisjuan said:

3 minutes ago, Void Master said:

It is for the 2060 NOT supporting ray tracing

 

Correct, and my point is that it would play like shit with ray tracing so it matters little, but people are up in arms about it.

I think that it is better to wait for OPTIMIZATIONS

[Tech_Dreamer]

not surprised doe.

[TheDankKoosh]

Nvidia's implementation of "ray tracing" is half baked at best, and a marketing ploy at worst seeing as this tech isn't ready for a consumer level. In a generation or two I figure that Nvidia will have their shit together, but the insane die size combined with the fact that their using pascal as a base shows that Nvidia is trying to pull a fast one on the consumers since this is going to end up turning into gameworks 2.0 (and we all know how well gameworks titles run on both red and green teams) due to the way Nvidia locks down everything down on the software side. I really hope that 7nm vega has a software ray tracing implementation that allows it to come close to Nvidia's rtx, but at a reduced price so Nvidia can pull their heads out of their asses.

[mynameisjuan]

17 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

I really hope that 7nm vega has a software ray tracing implementation that allows it to come close to Nvidia's rtx, but at a reduced price so Nvidia can pull their heads out of their asses.

They need to compete in non-ray tracing performance first. AMD is the one who needs to pull their head out

[DildorTheDecent]

31 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

 AMD is the one who needs to pull their head out

Please don't speak about the Holy Grail of PC Gaming like this. Remember that they can do no wrong. /s

 

Just wait until 2030 until they become viable again

[Tech Enthusiast]

3 hours ago, JediFragger said:

That's right, but they'd been working with Titan Volta's since February I gather.

Volta does not have RT Cores.

Of did I miss that info? Thought Volta only had Tensor Cores (not meant to do RT at all).

[Tech Enthusiast]

26 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

Please don't speak about the Holy Grail of PC Gaming like this. Remember that they can do no wrong. /s

 

Just wait until 2030 until they become viable again

Just 2 years after the Vega patch finally brings it up to the promised speed? Woah! 

 

(sorry, could not resist. Don't bite me, I really love AMD, I just can't help me when it comes to taunting fanboys)

[Tech Enthusiast]

3 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

If the 2080ti can barely hit 60fps@1080 who the fuck cares if the 2060 doesnt support it. What you seriously going to play at 30fps@720?

And another one ignoring all the Stuff that is posted right on this topic.

 

60fps@1080p, without RT cores being used most likely. So more or less a representation of how it would run without RT, by brute forcing it.

Look up Enlisted Demo on Youtube. You will see a solid 100+ fps at 4k with RT on.

 

Edit, because this comes up SO MANY TIMES.

Timestamp is set at 2:28, at the start of the 4k Demo. FPS is shown at the top left all the time.

 

[TheDankKoosh]

1 hour ago, mynameisjuan said:

They need to compete in non-ray tracing performance first. AMD is the one who needs to pull their head out

RTG doesn't have the R&D money that Nvidia has to just blow into stupid hardware implementations like "RT" cores. I would expect the new node and some architecture optimizations will be plenty to provide at least 2080 performance (keep in mind that in non ray tracing applications the 2080 will most likely perform around 1080 ti levels) at a much more competitive price around 500 to 600 dollars. If they can provide that by the end of the year while also implementing a sort of "ray tracing" that Nvidia has, then vega 7nm has the potential to disrupt Nvidia and create a healthy gpu market again.

 

38 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

Please don't speak about the Holy Grail of PC Gaming like this. Remember that they can do no wrong. /s

 

Just wait until 2030 until they become viable again

I fully believe that AMD can do some stupid shit, most recent screw ups that I can think of would be vega frontier and the new athlon that they are releasing (due to not being unlocked), but the last time I remember AMD being great would be during the Hawaii v Kepler days. I fully believe that they have the potential to release a competent product now that they don't have to fight losing battles on 2 fronts from both Intel and Nvidia. 

[TheDankKoosh]

1 hour ago, mynameisjuan said:

They need to compete in non-ray tracing performance first. AMD is the one who needs to pull their head out

RTG doesn't have the R&D money that Nvidia has to just blow into stupid hardware implementations like "RT" cores. I would expect the new node and some architecture optimizations will be plenty to provide at least 2080 performance (keep in mind that in non ray tracing applications the 2080 will most likely perform around 1080 ti levels) at a much more competitive price around 500 to 600 dollars. If they can provide that by the end of the year while also implementing a sort of "ray tracing" that Nvidia has, then vega 7nm has the potential to disrupt Nvidia and create a healthy gpu market again.

 

43 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

Please don't speak about the Holy Grail of PC Gaming like this. Remember that they can do no wrong. /s

 

Just wait until 2030 until they become viable again

I fully believe that AMD can do some stupid shit, most recent screw ups that I can think of would be vega frontier and the new athlon that they are releasing (due to not being unlocked), but the last time I remember AMD being great would be during the Hawaii v Kepler days. I fully believe that they have the potential to release a competent product now that they don't have to fight losing battles on 2 fronts from both Intel and Nvidia.