{Update} Over 150k projects ditch GitHub and move to GitLab following MSFT leaks & news

[Sniperfox47]

2 hours ago, AskTJ said:

50k isn't a big amount of projects. There are a total amount of 85 million projects on GitHub so there's no problem there.

Yeah but a lot of those are dead or unmaintained projects, or forks of projects to develop a single patch to upstream back to the project.

 

Just looking at the total number of projects listed on the site isn't really representative.

[Christophe Corazza]

Yet another wonderful project/idea swallowed by one of the giants 

[BachChain]

Reminds me of the flood of people swearing to move to Canada after each election cycle

[Sauron]

Yep, gitlab is super slow because it's being overwhelmed right now

[Christophe Corazza]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Yep, gitlab is super slow because it's being overwhelmed right now

 

Everyone is fleeing from evil Microsoft.

[matrix07012]

Already posted this yesterday

[mr moose]

59 minutes ago, Sniperfox47 said:

Yeah but a lot of those are dead or unmaintained projects, or forks of projects to develop a single patch to upstream back to the project.

 

Just looking at the total number of projects listed on the site isn't really representative.

I do have to wonder how many of those 50K are just school projects and amateur shit like that.  In my experience business people who are easily spooked and don't wait to see whats happening before jumping ship usually end up bankrupt. 

[Misanthrope]

4 hours ago, NMS said:

I love how people just assume that Microsoft will in some way destroy GitHub. You better be thankful it's not Facebook acquiring GH:D

That's not the assumption.

 

The assumption is that Microsoft will try to do what it always tries to do: make money. At the expense of customers, consumers and smaller companies if needed be, all things they've done before as a matter of law according to court decisions.

 

So they can probably do things like different pricing, integrating things (first as opt in of course, then eventually opt out) to make them compliant with Windows projects, pestering you to include some form of advertising modules, etc. I have no idea what they'll do but Nadella didn't spend almost 8 billion to not monetize this, likely aggressively so.

 

That is to say I have to consider what Mr Moose said:

56 minutes ago, mr moose said:

I do have to wonder how many of those 50K are just school projects and amateur shit like that.  In my experience business people who are easily spooked and don't wait to see whats happening before jumping ship usually end up bankrupt. 

There's probably maaany smaller customers like amateurs and such that just move out of reputation alone. Bigger companies probably can't move right away simply because bigger companies have a lot more pieces and IT departments need sign off before they're allowed to move and going to a meeting just to say 'Microsoft it's fucking evil maaaaan' it's not going to produce any results.

 

That being said even though you might not to immediately do anything (And serious users probably haven't) It's a good idea to at least keep an eye on things if the dog you had watching over your sheep has just been replaced by a wolf: Healthy skepticism of Microsoft is not a bad idea. Just not this "I am taking my shit elsewhere immediately!" gut reaction.

[NMS]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

That's not the assumption.

 

The assumption is that Microsoft will try to do what it always tries to do: make money. At the expense of customers, consumers and smaller companies if needed be, all things they've done before as a matter of law according to court decisions.

 

So they can probably do things like different pricing, integrating things (first as opt in of course, then eventually opt out) to make them compliant with Windows projects, pestering you to include some form of advertising modules, etc. I have no idea what they'll do but Nadella didn't spend almost 8 billion to not monetize this, likely aggressively so.

 

That is to say I have to consider what Mr Moose said:

There's probably maaany smaller customers like amateurs and such that just move out of reputation alone. Bigger companies probably can't move right away simply because bigger companies have a lot more pieces and IT departments need sign off before they're allowed to move and going to a meeting just to say 'Microsoft it's fucking evil maaaaan' it's not going to produce any results.

 

That being said even though you might not to immediately do anything (And serious users probably haven't) It's a good idea to at least keep an eye on things if the dog you had watching over your sheep has just been replaced by a wolf: Healthy skepticism of Microsoft is not a bad idea. Just not this "I am taking my shit elsewhere immediately!" gut reaction.

Alright, then why not assume that Microsoft will make GitHub even better? It's only fair to presume both sides before seeing the results.

[Misanthrope]

Just now, NMS said:

Alright, then why not assume that Microsoft will make GitHub even better? It's only fair to presume both sides before seeing the results.

They very well could yes: I have to concede that handling out modules for certain windows stuff through it or integrating it to windows more closely are things many devs will find desirable and not objectionable.

 

But I think we can at least agree there will be changes coming, whenever they end up being positive or negative or anywhere in between.

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

That's not the assumption.

 

The assumption is that Microsoft will try to do what it always tries to do: make money. At the expense of customers, consumers and smaller companies if needed be, all things they've done before as a matter of law according to court decisions.

 

So they can probably do things like different pricing, integrating things (first as opt in of course, then eventually opt out) to make them compliant with Windows projects, pestering you to include some form of advertising modules, etc. I have no idea what they'll do but Nadella didn't spend almost 8 billion to not monetize this, likely aggressively so.

 

That is to say I have to consider what Mr Moose said:

There's probably maaany smaller customers like amateurs and such that just move out of reputation alone. Bigger companies probably can't move right away simply because bigger companies have a lot more pieces and IT departments need sign off before they're allowed to move and going to a meeting just to say 'Microsoft it's fucking evil maaaaan' it's not going to produce any results.

 

That being said even though you might not to immediately do anything (And serious users probably haven't) It's a good idea to at least keep an eye on things if the dog you had watching over your sheep has just been replaced by a wolf: Healthy skepticism of Microsoft is not a bad idea. Just not this "I am taking my shit elsewhere immediately!" gut reaction.

You're right, healthy skepticism is exactly that, healthy.    It's this "fuck MS" and "I'm moving" before the dust has even settled rhetoric that is not healthy, that's just a knee jerk reaction based on internet rhetoric/idealogs.  it's never worked for governments, it's ever worked for business and it will certainly never work for individuals. 

[NMS]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

They very well could yes: I have to concede that handling out modules for certain windows stuff through it or integrating it to windows more closely are things many devs will find desirable and not objectionable.

 

But I think we can at least agree there will be changes coming, whenever they end up being positive or negative or anywhere in between.

Perhaps, but they could also just not touch any core components or interfere that much.

Though in my opinion, they might integrate it with Azure, which isn't bad anyway.

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

I do have to wonder how many of those 50K are just school projects and amateur shit like that.

Most of them, for sure, but this is basically day one - migrating bigger projects would require time even if the decision to do so was instant. Businesses probably won't migrate until GH actually starts going downhill, FOSS projects may do so sooner because of ethical concerns.

[Cheezdoodlez]

Funny how the article calls it a knee jerk reaction and later talk about how it's likely Microsoft will start policing what can and can't be posted on github. 

[Voids]

11 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

Specially not that Britain kid that threw a tantrum to get out of his class but now is trying to contact all of the school mates individually anyways.

What school kid wouldn't prefer that anyway? I know I'd prefer to do that than have to do it quietly or not at all because the teacher was a strict dick. But I've been out of school a long while so don't know what schools are like now.

[trag1c]

5 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yay. Time to contemplate moving back to GitLab.

With you on that one.

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Most of them, for sure, but this is basically day one - migrating bigger projects would require time even if the decision to do so was instant. Businesses probably won't migrate until GH actually starts going downhill, FOSS projects may do so sooner because of ethical concerns.

Yup, GIMP and a few others have already moved over to GitLab.

[trag1c]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

Yup, GIMP and a few others have already moved over to GitLab.

Oh really so there are notable/large projects moving over. This is more tempting to join the bandwagon now.

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, trag1c said:

Oh really so there are notable/large projects moving over. This is more tempting to join the bandwagon now.

GitLab offers automated repository migration, it's a matter of a few clicks - give it your github username and it does the rest. Can't hurt to at least copy things over.

[Cheezdoodlez]

1 hour ago, trag1c said:

Oh really so there are notable/large projects moving over. This is more tempting to join the bandwagon now.

The whole Gnome project is now on gitlab. And gimp is now under the gnome repo on gitlab. All though not completely related to the topic since Gnome wasn't really on github in the first place. But it most certainly have a positive effect on the hype of  #movingtogitlab. 

[Sniperfox47]

2 hours ago, mr moose said:

It's this "fuck MS" and "I'm moving" before the dust has even settled rhetoric that is not healthy, that's just a knee jerk reaction based on internet rhetoric/idealogs. [...] and it will certainly never work for individuals. 

And it's that mentality that keeps people using services they despise. As a business, by all means keep using a service if it makes you money, but as an individual? If you disagree with a company and what it does you should do what's in your power to avoid using their services.

 

I stopped using GitHub due to the buyout. That's not out of fear that they'll mess with my projects. That's not out of fear that they'll abuse the platform. It's because as a user I really have 0 ties to the platform, I don't agree with Microsoft's principles, and I don't want my money going to support anything they do.

 

As an individual by all means choose the services you use on the basis of your ideology.

 

Much of the open source community disagrees with Microsoft's business practices. Much of the open source community doesn't wish to support them. And much of the open source community is community driven by individuals, not major companies. As such it feels more than a little disingenuous to characterize it as (paraphrased) "Oh they should have stayed on a platform who's money now goes to a company they disagree with. It's just a gut reaction and they're overreacting".

[Mira Yurizaki]

So here's a question: What would be a better solution?

 

I'm always hearing people complaining about this and that but not offering anything up that's remotely considered a solution. Which I guess at that point, it's more like whining.

[Drak3]

17 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

What would be a better solution?

Beyond migrating to another git host?

 

Start telling people to nut up or shut up.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Beyond migrating to another git host?

 

Start telling people to nut up or shut up.

I meant saving GitHub. But that too.

[Sniperfox47]

2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I meant saving GitHub. But that too.

Saving GitHub? It doesn't really need saving. Let Microsoft have it, and the people who disagree with Microsoft can move away from it. I don't think people are complaining because they don't have other options. It's more "Aww man! My mom married that dick from down the street. I already bought another apartment but I didn't really want to go through the work of boxing up my stuff. Nuts."