General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[MaratM]

I one of few owners of p6t (normal). All i did is updated the bios on p6t to the latest one from asus website. You need a i7 cpu such as 920 (it usually costs $5-10)

after that just replace 920 with you xeon and you good to go.

you also need to cool the vrm’s and north bridge with a fan or 2.

Ram is fine, but it is good to get another set of the same ram (it is probably around $30) so you can get tripple chanel

 

[Troika]

3 hours ago, xXz21Xx said:

mobo: Asus Striker II Extreme 

Das a pretty sweet board! Premo LGA775 board <3

[tobistar3]

Good morning everyone,

 

i build a System with a Supermicro X8DTL-IF board ,2x Xeon X5650 CPU´s, 40 GB DDR3 ECC 1333Mhz Ram and an 500GB SSD with a RX 580.

The GPU is connected at PCIE 2.0 X8, so i know i dont have the full Bandwith but my Performance is terrible. (My CPU,GPU and Case temp are fine)

I get 70-100 fps in diablo 3 - Thats good

in citizen skylines about 22 fps

and in small games like getting over it = 10 fps

 

in the small games i can the ingame with MSI Afterburner that the GPU load is mostly in 0-12%.. but why?

The Cinebench score (CPU) is normal at 1341CB and the OpenGL test is at 69,79 FPS. So round about 30% less than an normal cinebench with an RX 580.

 

3DMark Firestrike has ~ 11500 Points and says the System is stable at 99,5%

 

can anyone help me ?

[Slayer3032]

4 hours ago, MaratM said:

I one of few owners of p6t (normal). All i did is updated the bios on p6t to the latest one from asus website. You need a i7 cpu such as 920 (it usually costs $5-10)

after that just replace 920 with you xeon and you good to go.

you also need to cool the vrm’s and north bridge with a fan or 2.

Ram is fine, but it is good to get another set of the same ram (it is probably around $30) so you can get tripple chanel

 

Unless it's some sort of very early launch board which would need a bios update for D0 stepping cpus such as the i7-930. You can also purchase a fantastic D0 stepping Nehalem socket protector for as low as $2.99 shipped!

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SLBF7-Intel-Xeon-E5530-8MB-Quad-Core-2-4GHz-5-86GT-s-Processor/323046361193

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-W3520-SLBEW-2-66GHz-8M-4-80-CPU-Processor/202129404891

 

If it doesn't boot with one of those, you're gonna have to track down a C0 stepping i7-920 or i7-940. Anything with a CPUID of "106A4", I think should work there. I don't think there's many of those boards out there though.

 

Speaking of socket protectors though actually, ebay has Westmere E5620's for $1.99 shipped, that's cheaper than $2.95 which is the cheapest socket protector on ebay lmao.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-XEON-E5620-SLBV4-2-40GHz-QUAD-CORE-CPU-PROCESSOR-SOCKET-1366/283339014286

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Foxconn-Intel-5500-5600-LGA1366-Server-CPU-Socket-Protector-Pin-Cover-Supermicro/191871178374

[Zando_]

5 hours ago, tobistar3 said:

Good morning everyone,

 

i build a System with a Supermicro X8DTL-IF board ,2x Xeon X5650 CPU´s, 40 GB DDR3 ECC 1333Mhz Ram and an 500GB SSD with a RX 580.

The GPU is connected at PCIE 2.0 X8, so i know i dont have the full Bandwith but my Performance is terrible. (My CPU,GPU and Case temp are fine)

I get 70-100 fps in diablo 3 - Thats good

in citizen skylines about 22 fps

and in small games like getting over it = 10 fps

 

in the small games i can the ingame with MSI Afterburner that the GPU load is mostly in 0-12%.. but why?

The Cinebench score (CPU) is normal at 1341CB and the OpenGL test is at 69,79 FPS. So round about 30% less than an normal cinebench with an RX 580.

 

3DMark Firestrike has ~ 11500 Points and says the System is stable at 99,5%

 

can anyone help me ?

I think Skylines is heavy on the CPU and a stock X5650 isn’t that fast in single core, and most games won’t leverage the 12 cores 24 threads at your disposal. 

 

As for getting as low as 10 fps, that’s weird for sure. You have the QPI link speed at max? What RAM configuration do you have? I’d run them in sets of 3 so you can get triple channel and a bit more bandwidth. 

 

For the GPU, is there not an option for PCIe 2.0 x16 to make sure that’s not the issue? Also for the SSD, what SATA ports do you have and what ones are you using? Some boards have SATA 3.0 but use Marvell controllers which are terrible, IDK if your board has those. 

[Xa3phod]

Is it possible that the CPU or Mobo can degrade over time due to overclocking? I find that I can't hit the numbers I hit a while ago. Where I was stable at 4.6Ghz on my X5690, now I am more stable and 4.4Ghz and the Cinebench scores have declined. The temps never get over 75F with 100% usage, but if I go around 4.5Ghz or above, I crash, etc. I raised the volts to almost 1.5V, but it gets into the 80F's. There are a ton of things about this board (Asus Rampage III Formula) that I don't understand. Any advice on how to get more stability? I would love to hit 1100 on Cinebench. Now, I'm right around 1000. Also, have an X5670.

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, Xa3phod said:

Is it possible that the CPU or Mobo can degrade over time due to overclocking? I find that I can't hit the numbers I hit a while ago. Where I was stable at 4.6Ghz on my X5690, now I am more stable and 4.4Ghz and the Cinebench scores have declined. The temps never get over 75F with 100% usage, but if I go around 4.5Ghz or above, I crash, etc. I raised the volts to almost 1.5V, but it gets into the 80F's. There are a ton of things about this board (Asus Rampage III Formula) that I don't understand. Any advice on how to get more stability? I would love to hit 1100 on Cinebench. Now, I'm right around 1000. Also, have an X5670.

Depending on voltage, yeah it'll degrade over time. IIRC Intel's max recommended is 1.35v, most bois on X58 push 1.4v daily, some go up to 1.45 or higher, once you start doing that the CPU will eventually degrade, but the performance is worth it because once it gets unstable you either reduce clocks or replace the CPU, X5670s can be had for $16 or so. As far as X58 overclocking goes I tend to just fiddle till it works, but Tech Yes City has a good vid on the process:

 

[Xa3phod]

8 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Depending on voltage, yeah it'll degrade over time. IIRC Intel's max recommended is 1.35v, most bois on X58 push 1.4v daily, some go up to 1.45 or higher, once you start doing that the CPU will eventually degrade, but the performance is worth it because once it gets unstable you either reduce clocks or replace the CPU, X5670s can be had for $16 or so. As far as X58 overclocking goes I tend to just fiddle till it works, but Tech Yes City has a good vid on the process:

 

Yeah, I've watched that video many times. For some reason, it's just not compatible with my needs. He goes off on manual ram overclocking, and seems to skip some important parts. I'll watch it again. Thanks!

[Zando_]

5 minutes ago, Xa3phod said:

Yeah, I've watched that video many times. For some reason, it's just not compatible with my needs. He goes off on manual ram overclocking, and seems to skip some important parts. I'll watch it again. Thanks!

I think the main part is the uncore, apparently that can help with single core speed, thus giving you a higher multicore score when they all work together in cinebench. 

[bimmerman]

Yep, and remember a bunch of us here have fiddled with most of the X58 chips/boards at this point, so we can help guide the process.

 

 @tobistar3 re: supermicro board-- most of the LGA1366 boards run PCIe-2.0 at 8x max. There are a couple boards that will do a full 16x but they're more uncommon. 2.0 @ 8x is similar to 3.0 @ 4x-- good enough (eg, external thunderbolt GPUs) but can absolutely be a bottleneck.

 

However....I have a feeling that the main bottleneck is the non-overclockable X5650s on the Supermicro board. You're maxed out with a ~2.6 GHz all core (turbo 3.0) plus slow ECC plus 8x PCIe 2.0-- adjusting QPI speed is a good idea and tweak everything you can, but ultimately I think you're going to end up with similar performance. What's your single-core Cinebench score at? For reference, I'm getting ~145 single ~1100 all core with a single OC'd 6 core, and have pretty great gaming performance (for my needs, anyway).

Now, if you drop in a pair of X5690s then you would have much better performance-- non-overclocked single core turbo I believe is ~3.7 GHz with all core at 3.4. If you're set on the supermicro board then I'd seek out those first, then find faster compatible ram. The PCIE bottleneck won't be solved, but can be minimized with faster other bits.

 

(I may have been reading up on SR-2 alternatives from Supermicro for virtualization....)

[xXz21Xx]

On 2/5/2019 at 12:20 AM, Troika said:

Das a pretty sweet board! Premo LGA775 board

yes it is a very good board for LGA 775 maybe if i found a good deal will sell it or i will keep to do something in the future XD i just loose fans but i have the supremeFX audio with it too. very good mobo to OC also.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Been doing a little bit of digging, it looks I'll have to run at least two VMs to get my server functioning as I want it to.

Obviously my Xeon E5507 won't cut it, so I may end up having to invest in a dual Xeon setup. That'll run me around $120 on Ebay.

 

This has been Crunchy's most recent thoughts given to LGA 1366, tune in next week for more.

[xXz21Xx]

On 2/4/2019 at 10:17 PM, MaratM said:

I one of few owners of p6t (normal). All i did is updated the bios on p6t to the latest one from asus website. You need a i7 cpu such as 920 (it usually costs $5-10)

after that just replace 920 with you xeon and you good to go.

you also need to cool the vrm’s and north bridge with a fan or 2.

Ram is fine, but it is good to get another set of the same ram (it is probably around $30) so you can get tripple chanel

thank you friend. yes im thinking about buying 8gb more of ram too. 

i need cool the vrm's if overclocked? or just without oc i need it too? 

i thinking about doing a little oc for nor when i get on home. maybe max to 3.8 or 4.0 i need buy first a new PSU because actual is old.

a friend has a LGA 1366 i7 so i will ask him to get it on mobo to  update if neccesary the old owner don't remember if its updates. 

 

thank you very much.

[Razor Blade]

1 hour ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Been doing a little bit of digging, it looks I'll have to run at least two VMs to get my server functioning as I want it to.

Obviously my Xeon E5507 won't cut it, so I may end up having to invest in a dual Xeon setup. That'll run me around $120 on Ebay.

 

This has been Crunchy's most recent thoughts given to LGA 1366, tune in next week for more.

What about getting a 6 core CPU? According to this (https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c01767191) the ML330 G6 supports the Xeon X5650 which should be something like $10-$15 shipped on Ebay.

[MaratM]

1 hour ago, xXz21Xx said:

thank you friend. yes im thinking about buying 8gb more of ram too. 

i need cool the vrm's if overclocked? or just without oc i need it too? 

i thinking about doing a little oc for nor when i get on home. maybe max to 3.8 or 4.0 i need buy first a new PSU because actual is old.

a friend has a LGA 1366 i7 so i will ask him to get it on mobo to  update if neccesary the old owner don't remember if its updates. 

 

thank you very much.

A 80mm fan cost a couple dollars (the cheap one) just get 3 of them one for each heatsink around the cpu. P6t is designed as an entry level mobo and good for 4 core i7. You are planning to get 6 core xeon, even it is a new lithograthy it is a power hungry cpu even at ctock speed. Thus cooling of the vrm is needed and it does not cost that much. Connect it to the molex header at 7 volts so it does not sound as annoing as at full blast.

[xXz21Xx]

9 hours ago, MaratM said:

A 80mm fan cost a couple dollars (the cheap one) just get 3 of them one for each heatsink around the cpu. P6t is designed as an entry level mobo and good for 4 core i7. You are planning to get 6 core xeon, even it is a new lithograthy it is a power hungry cpu even at ctock speed. Thus cooling of the vrm is needed and it does not cost that much. Connect it to the molex header at 7 volts so it does not sound as annoing as at full blast.

Oh ok. I already have 5x fans here the cheaps version. Can not adjust speed on it. But it do the job for my vrms on striker 2 extreme. Also i have a corsair fans too but theys are loud a lot. And has more speed but i never use it because i want it to be quiet. Should i use the normal 80mm fans or the corsair loud fans? 

[MaratM]

4 minutes ago, xXz21Xx said:

Oh ok. I already have 5x fans here the cheaps version. Can not adjust speed on it. But it do the job for my vrms on striker 2 extreme. Also i have a corsair fans too but theys are loud a lot. And has more speed but i never use it because i want it to be quiet. Should i use the normal 80mm fans or the corsair loud fans? 

It is not like you are cooling a server, i used 2 80mm noiseblocker fans running around 70% all the time, before i switched to full mobo watercooling, getting waterblocks for this board was a bit tricky

[Pasi123]

Have anyone else tried Cinebench R15 Extreme? You can get it from here.

Here is what my Xeon X5670 @ 4.32GHz got:

Spoiler

 

 

 

[Zando_]

11 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

Have anyone else tried Cinebench R15 Extreme? You can get it from here.

Here is what my Xeon X5670 @ 4.32GHz got:

-snip-

 

oooooo... need to get my SR-2 test bench set up and see if I can match a 2700X

[Xa3phod]

[Zando_]

Speaking of which, got my HPTX mojo tray from Mountain Mods. Only took like a week and was $40, not bad at all. You can get one with the rear IO/PCIe slot thingie for $70. Just need to get standoffs and such now, then screw it to a piece of plywood or something for a stable base.

 

 

I got the basic brushed one, didn't want to pay the extra $15 for the black anodized version because this is gonna be a test bench and not a for looks rig. 

[NoxiousOdor]

40 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Speaking of which, got my HPTX mojo tray from Mountain Mods. Only took like a week and was $40, not bad at all. You can get one with the rear IO/PCIe slot thingie for $70. Just need to get standoffs and such now, then screw it to a piece of plywood or something for a stable base.

 

 

I got the basic brushed one, didn't want to pay the extra $15 for the black anodized version because this is gonna be a test bench and not a for looks rig. 

$40 isn't bad at all, does it come with feet and stand-offs and such?

[Zando_]

Just now, WhisperingKnickers said:

$40 isn't bad at all, does it come with feet and stand-offs and such?

No standoffs or feet, but those are cheap (standoffs are like $5 on amazon). It's meant to be swapped into one of their bigger cases for HPTX support, but I don't wanna spend $300-400+ on a case. Just wanted something better than a cardboard box or desk to set the SR-2 on since breaking it is the last thing I wanna do. This even has a nice cutout so I can still remove the backplates if I need to too. 

 

Here's the tray only: https://www.mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=568

Tray with PCIe/IO cover thingie: https://www.mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=567 (I was mistaken, it's $80, not $70)

[NoxiousOdor]

19 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

No standoffs or feet, but those are cheap (standoffs are like $5 on amazon). It's meant to be swapped into one of their bigger cases for HPTX support, but I don't wanna spend $300-400+ on a case. Just wanted something better than a cardboard box or desk to set the SR-2 on since breaking it is the last thing I wanna do. This even has a nice cutout so I can still remove the backplates if I need to too. 

 

Here's the tray only: https://www.mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=568

Tray with PCIe/IO cover thingie: https://www.mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=567 (I was mistaken, it's $80, not $70)

That is really nifty, that is a much better deal than a lot of the test benches I see

 

19 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

so I can still remove the backplates if I need to too. 

This made me laugh a little just be cause it is the SR-2 and the backplates can't be removed

[Zando_]

13 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

That is really nifty, that is a much better deal than a lot of the test benches I see

 

This made me laugh a little just be cause it is the SR-2 and the backplates can't be removed

I removed them and swapped them with stock LGA1366 ones I pulled of other server boards so I could mount my Cooler Master V6 GTs. They came with a normal set in the box but most SR-2s don't come with those now, they've been lost. The ones that are usually on are the server type, thus I have a couple server coolers for my other SR-2 that only works with one CPU, not worth getting backplates for it since it's not fully working.