General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

9 hours ago, vinyldash303 said:

How happy your GTX 690? I just saw that you have one in your sig

it's a nice card for what it is. it has a big limitation though. the 2GB vram available. and the performance is quite crappy in games that don't support SLI. 

 

i would say only get it for experimentation purposes. the 2GB vram thing really holds it back in modern games, and most games now don't support SLI. 

[Zando_]

4 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

it's a nice card for what it is. it has a big limitation though. the 2GB vram available. and the performance is quite crappy in games that don't support SLI. 

 

i would say only get it for experimentation purposes. the 2GB vram thing really holds it back in modern games, and most games now don't support SLI. 

That's the same bottleneck I hit with my 1050 and 660, the 2GB of VRAM can be quite limiting. In fact on the 1050 I think it actually holds the GPU itself back, it's actually pretty darn powerful for it's size, even the 660 is surprisingly strong for it's age. Just swapped my 1050 Ti in though since I'd like the bit more VRAM for better textures.

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, vinyldash303 said:

I miss my old 660Ti. That was an epic card. The 1050 Ti I’ve got in my ssf hp is a beast too. Framerate in FH3 at 1440p is only about half of my 290X. 

Heck yeah, 1050 Tis pack a lot of punch for their size. I have an EVGA FTW card too, incredibly overkill cooler (dual fan with three good sized heatpipes and a full finstack across the whole card) and an extra 6 pin power for basically no reason because sadly Pascal won't let me push the card as hard as possible. My first GPU was a single fan 1050 Ti that just ran of the PCIe slot, still performed like a champ.

[Pasi123]

My GTX 960, which is as fast as a GTX 1050 Ti, has only 2GB VRAM. It's limiting it on many games.

[Xa3phod]

My X5690 is overclocked to 4.5Ghz and with a GTX 1060 3GB it runs most 1080p games at 60FPS with no issues.  I do have it watercooler though. 3GB is all you need for 1080p unless there are huge textures. Wish I had the 6GB version.

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, Xa3phod said:

My X5690 is overclocked to 4.5Ghz and with a GTX 1060 3GB it runs most 1080p games at 60FPS with no issues.  I do have it watercooler though. 3GB is all you need for 1080p unless there are huge textures. Wish I had the 6GB version.

I'm running D2 at 1080p High with 60fps on a 1050 Ti and i7 950, I do get fps drops here and there but it's usually pretty solid.

[Slayer3032]

I scooped a EVGA B-Stock 1080 Gaming SC before RTX was announced and stuck it in with my X5675 at 4.6ghz, have never seen it bottleneck in anything short of lower performance in games with really poor multithreading. Happily keeps a 144fps+ experience at 1440p ultra on Doom and usually brand new games give me at least a 90-120fps experience on high settings in any game I've thrown at it so far.

[MaratM]

Looks like I will have to leave such a good x58 xeon comunity

Have a look at the mobo and cpu, intel said it is not compatible

[Sealance]

I have a w3680 in my asus p6x58d-e with 48gb ram, but I can't seem to overclock that cpu whatsoever. what settings are people using for that particular cpu?

[Zando_]

42 minutes ago, MaratM said:

Looks like I will have to leave such a good x58 xeon comunity

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Have a look at the mobo and cpu, intel said it is not compatible

Ooooooo... 8700K on Z170, modded BIOS I guess? 

 

I'm still gonna be on X58 for a good while yet tho, but I do have some X99 stuff arriving tomorrow. Tbh may just jump Intel X series chipsets for a while yet since they're just fun to mess with. 

 

36 minutes ago, Sealance said:

I have a w3680 in my asus p6x58d-e with 48gb ram, but I can't seem to overclock that cpu whatsoever. what settings are people using for that particular cpu?

 

I mean you've got a claimed 16+2 phase VRM so those shouldn't be the issue. Is it just not letting you change settings or what? On X58 you usually pump up the BLCK once the multiplier is maxed. BLCK will change the CPU core speed, uncore, and RAM and such. Doesn't effect PCIe, apparently upping that can help but 110 is about the max you wanna push, I usually run 103 or 105. 

[MaratM]

2 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Ooooooo... 8700K on Z170, modded BIOS I guess? 

 

It is indeed, a bit tricky and not as simple but it works. Cpu is “moded” as well

[Zando_]

8 minutes ago, MaratM said:

It is indeed, a bit tricky and not as simple but it works. Cpu is “moded” as well

A hardware mod or what?

 

I gotta solder some pins on my EVGA Classified 4-way SLI V1.0 to let it work with Westmere-EP CPUs as it's a hardware issue, was fixed on the V1.1 and newer but I can't exactly RMA a motherboard from 2009 anymore. 

[MaratM]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

A hardware mod or what?

Just some electrical tape and a piece of aluminium foil. Got isolate two pins ans short 2 pins

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, MaratM said:

Just some electrical tape and a piece of aluminium foil. Got isolate two pins ans short 2 pins

 

[MaratM]

19 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

The Evil Russian one!!!

[Slayer3032]

7 hours ago, Sealance said:

I have a w3680 in my asus p6x58d-e with 48gb ram, but I can't seem to overclock that cpu whatsoever. what settings are people using for that particular cpu?

Are you on the latest bios? Some older, common microcodes will fail to post if you change the Uncore multi.

 

What do your settings look like which aren't working?

[Pasi123]

11 hours ago, Sealance said:

I have a w3680 in my asus p6x58d-e with 48gb ram, but I can't seem to overclock that cpu whatsoever. what settings are people using for that particular cpu?

Asus P6X58D-E is a pretty good motherboard, I have one on my main PC. What settings you tried? Did you watch Tech Yes City's X58 Xeon OC guide?

[Zando_]

X58 Classified 4-Way now working with a Westmere-EP 6 core (W3670). Had to solder two sets of pins together since mine is a V1.0, but now I can repaste the chipset heatsink since I had to remove that, then put it all back together and try some overclocking with disgusting voltages if temps will allow. In a week or two I hope to have a watercooling loop on the CPU (360mm slim rad, Watercool Heatkiller IV block) so I should have a heck ton of thermal headroom. For now I'll use a Cryorig H5 Universal since it's the biggest finstack I have that works on LGA1366.

[Zando_]

4 hours ago, vinyldash303 said:

You know what? I keep forgetting that I'm a damn adult- and have been for years- so i can buy dry ice at the store and shove that rad from the 120mm aio in a bucket. Should do me some dice cooling. I don't think you really need to worry about condensation so much with that like you would LN2.

Yeah, shouldn't condensate too much, I'd just put some paper towels around the socket to catch any stray drips, and see how it goes. 

 

As for my PC, sadly the CPU doesn't wanna hit 4.5 no matter what voltage I throw at it, either I'm an idiot (highly likely), or I should try one of my X5675s or my X5670. 

[Razor Blade]

8 hours ago, vinyldash303 said:

You know what? I keep forgetting that I'm a damn adult- and have been for years- so i can buy dry ice at the store and shove that rad from the 120mm aio in a bucket. Should do me some dice cooling. I don't think you really need to worry about condensation so much with that like you would LN2.

A bit off topic but I'm the opposite... I tend to get caught off guard when a cashier (who many times is young enough to be my kid) asks for my I.D. when buying beer...

 

On topic, a dry ice cooled Westmere sounds awesome!

[Sealance]

On 2/19/2019 at 8:17 AM, Pasi123 said:

Asus P6X58D-E is a pretty good motherboard, I have one on my main PC. What settings you tried? Did you watch Tech Yes City's X58 Xeon OC guide?

Just cranking up the multiplier and vcore. I watched that guide but he doesn't do the w-series which has unlocked multiplier

On 2/19/2019 at 4:40 AM, Slayer3032 said:

Are you on the latest bios? Some older, common microcodes will fail to post if you change the Uncore multi.

 

What do your settings look like which aren't working?

I'm on version 0803

On 2/18/2019 at 9:20 PM, Zando Bob said:

I mean you've got a claimed 16+2 phase VRM so those shouldn't be the issue. Is it just not letting you change settings or what? On X58 you usually pump up the BLCK once the multiplier is maxed. BLCK will change the CPU core speed, uncore, and RAM and such. Doesn't effect PCIe, apparently upping that can help but 110 is about the max you wanna push, I usually run 103 or 105. 

Do I need to touch ram settings or can i just crank up the multiplier and vcore?

 

[Zando_]

1 hour ago, Sealance said:

Just cranking up the multiplier and vcore. I watched that guide but he doesn't do the w-series which has unlocked multiplier

I'm on version 0803

Do I need to touch ram settings or can i just crank up the multiplier and vcore?

 

Max the multiplier then use the BLCK to hit the speed you want. Keep in mind it will up your uncore and RAM speeds as well as the CPU core, you'll probably need to dial that back. Gonna reccomend Tech Yes City's guide again, he explains everything you need to know pretty damn well, and I got my CPU at 4.2Ghz (uncore 3.2GHz) and RAM to 2000MHz following it: 

 

[Ground]

The unlocked multis are cool for quick testing, but in general 200 BCLK is a much better starting point then the default 133. I‘ve only had a single CPU that couldn‘t manage that, so its absolutely doable. 

[Zando_]

5 minutes ago, Ground said:

The unlocked multis are cool for quick testing, but in general 200 BCLK is a much better starting point then the default 133. I‘ve only had a single CPU that couldn‘t manage that, so its absolutely doable. 

Facts. I think my X5670 misbehaves much above 220BLCK, but pretty much everything can go a 200. My i7s may be an exception though, I should fiddle with my i7 950 and see if I can push 200. 

[bimmerman]

My 950 couldn't do 200 bclk. My X5675 has done 215 for the last two years without issue. Never tried higher though.

 

Personally, I think higher bclk and a lower multipler is better than the opposite, if your chip plays ball. The uncore speed improvements from faster bclk result in a lot snappier system IME.