General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Csshaz3]

Hello fellow x58 owners! I'm in the middle of putting some life back into my 2009 build.

 

Just replaced my i7 950 with a xeon w3690 gaining two physical cores and 4mb cache as well as significant speed, and replaced all my hdd and SATA ssd with a single Samsung 950 pro m.2 on a pcie x16 adapter. Next I'm upgrading ram to 3x4gb ripjaw x and gpu to a single card.

 

Asus p6x58d-e motherboard

Xeon w3690 cpu

Ocz Reaper 12gb (6x2gb) ram

2x Msi gtx 960 4gb oc sli gpu's

Kingwin 1000w PSU

Cooler master hyper n520 cpu cooler

Cooler Master Haf-x case

 

I use my computer for HTC vive mostly. Occasionally I'll render a video or do a large photoshopped project. 

 

I'm looking to overclock once I drop from 6 sticks down to three and benifit from the triple channel optimization.

 

I still have my old stuff if anyone is interested.

[the pudding]

24 minutes ago, Csshaz3 said:

Hello fellow x58 owners! I'm in the middle of putting some life back into my 2009 build.

 

Just replaced my i7 950 with a xeon w3690 gaining two physical cores and 4mb cache as well as significant speed, and replaced all my hdd and SATA ssd with a single Samsung 950 pro m.2 on a pcie x16 adapter. Next I'm upgrading ram to 3x4gb ripjaw x and gpu to a single card.

 

Asus p6x58d-e motherboard

Xeon w3690 cpu

Ocz Reaper 12gb (6x2gb) ram

2x Msi gtx 960 4gb oc sli gpu's

Kingwin 1000w PSU

Cooler master hyper n520 cpu cooler

Cooler Master Haf-x case

 

I use my computer for HTC vive mostly. Occasionally I'll render a video or do a large photoshopped project. 

 

I'm looking to overclock once I drop from 6 sticks down to three and benifit from the triple channel optimization.

 

I still have my old stuff if anyone is interested.

 

You can still get solid overclocks even with 6 dimms so no real reason to wait there, nearly all of my clocks have been done with 6 dimms since 12gb of ram just isn't enough for me and 8gb dimms are expensive so all but 1 of the 9/10 X58 systems I've run have been clocked to at least 4.4GHz on 6x4gb and more recently my R3G one at one point was running 4.8GHz with 6x4gb still, I'd say just go for the overclock anyways 

[GrockleTD]

i am happy to say it yet lives @Zando Bob

[Pasi123]

On 12/8/2019 at 6:49 PM, Csshaz3 said:

I'm looking to overclock once I drop from 6 sticks down to three and benifit from the triple channel optimization.

6 sticks should work just fine in triple channel. I have the same motherboard and I don't have any problems with overclocking.

I have 6x4GB sticks running at 1600MHz and my Xeon X5670 is overclocked to 4.4GHz (22x200).

[bimmerman]

I have 6x4GB 1600MHz sticks on mine, running just fine at 1720 MHz. They worked fine up to ~2150 but I did lose communication with one stick at that speed, so went back to the 8x multiplier and it's been fine since. I don't think the IMC can handle that much ram at that speed without more voltage than I was willing to pump into it.

 

8x memory mult on 215 BCLK, 4.5ghz (21x215) BCLK for CPU.

 

If your CPU and Board can take it, these systems run MUCH snappier with higher BCLK and lower multipliers.

[GrockleTD]

i just realized one of the temperature sensors was reading at 400C

[Zando_]

32 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

i just realized one of the temperature sensors was reading at 400C

Likely an unused sensor/header, there's usually one or two on most mobos that read reeeeeally weird temps depending on the software. 

[Slayer3032]

https://valid.x86.fr/8tv0nq

 

I got my Mac Pro trash ram to do Cinebench runs at this, mismatched because it won't post at default settings. I daily it at 180x25(4.5ghz) @1.4v at 1800mhz 10-10-10-28-2T. Westmere's IMC really isn't bad. It's just rather picky in my experience and trying to get it to play nice with memory made like 6-7 years after X58 debut that there's no way was ever supported by your bios will take trial and error or some luck. For what was like the first DDR3 consumer platform or first with an IMC? You kind of have to expect that though.

 

I've always had extremely good luck jamming as many mismatched dimms as possible into these boards and getting them to run at 1600mhz with some acceptable CL8/9 timings. As far as the higher speeds other people get though, with my G.Skill Pi Series I never could break into the 2000's. I've never had my hands on any of the newer high end DDR3 though.

[Terabyte_272]

On 12/8/2019 at 12:49 PM, Csshaz3 said:

Hello fellow x58 owners! I'm in the middle of putting some life back into my 2009 build.

 

Just replaced my i7 950 with a xeon w3690 gaining two physical cores and 4mb cache as well as significant speed, and replaced all my hdd and SATA ssd with a single Samsung 950 pro m.2 on a pcie x16 adapter. Next I'm upgrading ram to 3x4gb ripjaw x and gpu to a single card.

 

Asus p6x58d-e motherboard

Xeon w3690 cpu

Ocz Reaper 12gb (6x2gb) ram

2x Msi gtx 960 4gb oc sli gpu's

Kingwin 1000w PSU

Cooler master hyper n520 cpu cooler

Cooler Master Haf-x case

 

I use my computer for HTC vive mostly. Occasionally I'll render a video or do a large photoshopped project. 

 

I'm looking to overclock once I drop from 6 sticks down to three and benifit from the triple channel optimization.

 

I still have my old stuff if anyone is interested.

What old stuff? I'm interested

[wezfaas]

Hail x58 brethen, am looking for a supported gfx card for my ASUS P6T D on a 4k60 HDR journey.

 

Any suggestion?  

[MaratM]

2 hours ago, wezfaas said:

Hail x58 brethen, am looking for a supported gfx card for my ASUS P6T D on a 4k60 HDR journey.

 

Any suggestion?  

any capable card will work, however if you are looking for high fps you might suffer a light penalty from pci-e 2.0

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, MaratM said:

any capable card will work, however if you are looking for high fps you might suffer a light penalty from pci-e 2.0

^^^ Bunch of us have successfully run 1080 Tis on this platform, bottlenecks hard at 1080p though due to the CPU, and 1440p it's better and at 4K it'd be pretty fine.

[Csshaz3]

On 12/10/2019 at 8:21 AM, Terabyte_272 said:

What old stuff? I'm interested

I've got the old i7 950 and the 12gb of ocz reaper 6x2gb and two msi 960gtx 4gb oc. Two 6tb seagate hdd, 15k rpm cheetah hdd, wd 1tb & 500gb hdd, and a ocz 60gb ssd. 

 

 

My memory is reading as dual channel. I was under the impression that anything more than 3 sticks sends it back over to dual channel but I could have bad info. Triple channel is strange but paired with the six core processor seems to be a nice mate from what I've read.

 

I was going to pick up 4x4gb sticks of g.skill ripjaws x 1866 and use 3 sticks as they seem to be the best ddr3 available from reviews and I wouldnt loose any capacity.

 

I'm new to overclocking but I'd love to get this thing cranked up once I get everything settled. Dropping to one gpu and 3 sticks of ram from 6 along with removing 6 hard drives will really free this thing up. 

 

With the cooler master haf x and the cooler master hyper n520 cpu cooler I was hoping to air cool oc my w3690 3.47 to 4.0 stable. I'm new. More of the "out the box builder" but I'm here to learn. I'd rather learn to oc on this build then the new one I plan for tax time 2021.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2019 by Csshaz3

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Csshaz3 said:

I've got the old i7 950 and the 12gb of ocz reaper 6x2gb and two msi 960gtx 4gb oc. Two 6tb seagate hdd, 15k rpm cheetah hdd, wd 1tb & 500gb hdd, and a ocz 60gb ssd. 

 

 

My memory is reading as dual channel. I was under the impression that anything more than 3 sticks sends it back over to dual channel but I could have bad info. Triple channel is strange but paired with the six core processor seems to be a nice mate from what I've read.

 

I was going to pick up 4x4gb sticks of g.skill ripjaws x 1866 and use 3 sticks as they seem to be the best ddr3 available from reviews and I wouldnt loose any capacity.

 

I'm new to overclocking but I'd love to get this thing cranked up once I get everything settled. Dropping to one gpu and 3 sticks of ram from 6 along with removing 6 hard drives will really free this thing up. 

 

With the cooler master haf x and the cooler master hyper n520 cpu cooler I was hoping to air cool oc my w3690 3.47 to 4.0 stable. I'm new. More of the out the box builder but I'm here to learn.

Try 3x8GB for a noice 24GB, that's what I've ran on my X58 rigs for a while now. 3x or 6x should run as triple channel, 2 or 4 sticks will run in dual. 

N520 looks decently beefy, I've had an X5675 up to 4.41Ghz on just a Gammax 400. All depends on your bin and how much voltage it wants for what clocks. I can't offer much in-depth advice though, I've lost my touch and haven't been able to push stuff to the clocks I used to (I've been off X58 for a while, my main rigs run on X99 now). 

[Csshaz3]

9 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Try 3x8GB for a noice 24GB, that's what I've ran on my X58 rigs for a while now. 3x or 6x should run as triple channel, 2 or 4 sticks will run in dual. 

N520 looks decently beefy, I've had an X5675 up to 4.41Ghz on just a Gammax 400. All depends on your bin and how much voltage it wants for what clocks. I can't offer much in-depth advice though, I've lost my touch and haven't been able to push stuff to the clocks I used to (I've been off X58 for a while, my main rigs run on X99 now). 

I've looked at doing 3x8gb ripjaws but the price goes up to about 100$+ for 4x8gb ddr3 and the latency goes up as well. I was having this debate in my head and weighed the pros and cons. They say 8gb is recommended gaming ram capacity and I've run 12gb successfully for 10 years so I decided to go with the 4gb sticks for only 40$. 8gb would be nice but I dont know if for what I'm doing I'd really use the extra gigs. How much is vive ram dependent cause that's all the gaming I do. Vr is next level

[Zando_]

Just now, Csshaz3 said:

I've looked at doing 3x8gb ripjaws but the price goes up to about 100$+ for 4x8gb ddr3 and the latency goes up as well. I was having this debate in my head and weighed the pros and cons. They say 8gb is recommended gaming ram capacity and I've run 12gb successfully for 10 years so I decided to go with the 4gb sticks. 8gb would be nice but I dont know if for what I'm doing I'd really use the extra gigs. How much is vive ram dependent cause that's all the gaming I do. Vr is next level

I've never done VR, no idea how much RAM it uses lol. If you've done fine with 12GB this far, then yeah you'll be fine with 12GB still. What clocks/latencies are you looking at? I run 1600Mhz CL9 HyperX Savage, back when I was OCing I ran it at about 2100Mhz CL10-11-11-31. 

[Csshaz3]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I've never done VR, no idea how much RAM it uses lol. If you've done fine with 12GB this far, then yeah you'll be fine with 12GB still. What clocks/latencies are you looking at? I run 1600Mhz CL9 HyperX Savage, back when I was OCing I ran it at about 2100Mhz CL10-11-11-31. 

Well the lower the capacity the lower the latency I gather. My 2gb ocz reaper sticks are 7-7-7 lucky 7s baby! And the ripjaws are 9-9-9

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Csshaz3 said:

Well the lower the capacity the lower the latency I gather. My 2gb ocz reaper sticks are 7-7-7 lucky 7s baby! And the ripjaws are 9-9-9

Same clocks? If so then yeah, the lower CL sticks are better. Actually, is there a reason you're changing RAM if you have the same capacity already?

[Csshaz3]

28 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Same clocks? If so then yeah, the lower CL sticks are better. Actually, is there a reason you're changing RAM if you have the same capacity already?

Well the ocz is 1600 and the ripjaw is 1866. I was changing it out because I was reading into voltage draw and the more sticks the more work and voltage on the controller.

[Zando_]

Just now, Csshaz3 said:

Well the ocz is 1600 and the ripjaw is 1866. I was changing it out because I was reading into voltage draw and the more sticks the more work and voltage on the controller.

Eh then they probably perform similarly. And what voltage are you pushing? If you can't get acceptable clocks then you swap to less DIMMs to go easier on the IMC, if it's fine then there's no reason to upgrade. Nehalem/Gulftown/Westmere-EP IMCs can be picky with RAM, but they're usually very strong. Especially for one of the first platforms with DDR3, they perform extremely well. 

[bimmerman]

11 hours ago, wezfaas said:

Hail x58 brethen, am looking for a supported gfx card for my ASUS P6T D on a 4k60 HDR journey.

 

Any suggestion?  

Quite literally, any card you can afford. You're bottlenecked hard by any GPU at that framerate anyway.

 

Yes, the platform is only PCIe-2.0....but x16 2.0 has the same bandwidth as x8 3.0, which has been proven to not be an issue for GPUs.

 

I had a 1080ti running at 3440x1440 with zero issues, paired with my OC'd 4.5 GHz X5675. Upgraded to an R5 3600, fast ram, etc....have the same frame rates within margin of error.

[wezfaas]

11 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

^^^ Bunch of us have successfully run 1080 Tis on this platform, bottlenecks hard at 1080p though due to the CPU, and 1440p it's better and at 4K it'd be pretty fine.

Why are the bottlenecks hard at 1080p?  Am thinking a 1050ti, think I will stick to gaming with my xb1s...

 

Also, how about a RX580/570?

[the pudding]

1 minute ago, wezfaas said:

Why are the bottlenecks hard at 1080p?  Am thinking a 1050ti, think I will stick to gaming with my xb1s...

 

Also, how about a RX580/570?

I ran an RX 580 on my X58 kit when I had it, worked really quite well 

[bimmerman]

4 minutes ago, wezfaas said:

Why are the bottlenecks hard at 1080p?  Am thinking a 1050ti, think I will stick to gaming with my xb1s...

 

Also, how about a RX580/570?

At 1080p it's only a real bottleneck if you're aiming for super high framerate, as the CPU's ability to feed the GPU is the limiting factor there. Higher resolutions take more GPU power and less CPU, for a given framerate.

 

For any of those cards you will have exactly zero bottlenecks on the CPU side regardless of what resolution/framerate you want to use. Those GPUs aren't powerful enough to be bottlenecked noticeably by a well-optimized X58 system.

[wezfaas]

1 hour ago, the pudding said:

I ran an RX 580 on my X58 kit when I had it, worked really quite well 

the pudding, do u run 4k60 with HDR ?