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Will Linus Media Group support 21:9 someday?

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Given how like so many LMG workers have ultrawides themselves, including Linus, and the growing enthusiastic community with these neat screens, I start wondering; Why hasn't 21:9 aspect been featured yet on any of the videos? I'm not looking to be a complaining baby wanting my screen to be fully supported :P it's just a legit wondering what is the major points stopping the editing team to support it?

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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Given how like so many LMG workers have ultrawides themselves, including Linus, and the growing enthusiastic community with these neat screens, I start wondering; Why hasn't 21:9 aspect been featured yet on any of the videos? I'm not looking to be a complaining baby wanting my screen to be fully supported :P it's just a legit wondering what is the major points stopping the editing team to support it?

Well if it's in ultrawide, then wouldn't it look like ass for everyone who doesn't have an ultrawide?

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1 minute ago, N1ghtshade said:

Well if it's in ultrawide, then wouldn't it look like ass for everyone who doesn't have an ultrawide?

No, letterboxing. You watch all your movies like that and don't complain

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3 minutes ago, N1ghtshade said:

Well if it's in ultrawide, then wouldn't it look like ass for everyone who doesn't have an ultrawide?

Well it would look like movies, black bars on top and bottom, I do understand that YouTube/Google has been very lazy with giving actual appropriate support where you could potentially use ultrawide resolutions within the same video, I think the only "best way" around it in the quality view would be uploading a 16:9 video and the same video on 21:9 but I'm not sure if that has negative side when it comes to viewers/likes.

 

Then again in a way it is more unfair ultrawide get gigantic black bars on the sides (or use those extensions to fill entire screen but cut the edges) then 16:9 users have a not so bothering and smaller black bar on the bottom and top.

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

No, letterboxing. You watch all your movies like that and don't complain

Actually no, I don't. I watch movies at widescreen aspect, on a widescreen tv. No black bars. The only movie I ever watched like that was the Dark Knight Rises, and I did complain because it looked like shit with the black bars.

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Well it would look like movies, black bars on top and bottom, I do understand that YouTube/Google has been very lazy with giving actual appropriate support where you could potentially use ultrawide resolutions within the same video, I think the only "best way" around it in the quality view would be uploading a 16:9 video and the same video on 21:9 but I'm not sure if that has negative side when it comes to viewers/likes.

See what I said above. And maybe they could add a feature where you can change the aspect ratio? That'd probably be helpful.

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1 minute ago, N1ghtshade said:

Actually no, I don't. I watch movies at widescreen aspect, on a widescreen tv. No black bars. The only movie I ever watched like that was the Dark Knight Rises, and I did complain because it looked like shit with the black bars.

 

So you are telling me you would rather have 2/5 of the content cut off then tiny bars that you don't even see because you focus is on the center of the screen?

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

So you are telling me you would rather have 2/5 of the content cut off then tiny bars that you don't even see because you focus is on the center of the screen?

No, i'd rather that they film the movie at 16:9, the resolution of most people's TV's. And yes, the focus is on the center, but the black bars are annoying and look like ass.

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No, i'd rather that they film the movie at 16:9, the resolution of most people's TV's. And yes, the focus is on the center, but the black bars are annoying and look like ass.

And leave everyone who paid for the movie on the cinema which still is where most the money comes from with huge side black bars? xD

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Just now, N1ghtshade said:

No, i'd rather that they film the movie at 16:9, the resolution of most people's TV's. And yes, the focus is on the center, but the black bars are annoying and look like ass.

why would they film at 16:9 when movie theaters are fitted with 21:9 screens

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Just now, N1ghtshade said:

No, i'd rather that they film the movie at 16:9, the resolution of most people's TV's. And yes, the focus is on the center, but the black bars are annoying and look like ass.

Then you would have black bars at a movie theater which would be much more annoying. You can also have shots that are on IMAX cameras that have no black bars.

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They did at least one 21:9 video (and it's great)

 

 

With the new RED camera they have (which can probably do up to 8K) they could some nice 21:9 videos, but the wide majority of people have 16:9 or even 16:10 monitors so I think at least until the percentage of people with smaller than 16:9 ratio increases, you won't see a lot more videos like this

 

The ultra wide aspect ratio is more suites for epic videos, cinema style videos etc not for videos like the ones LMG does

 

 

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It depends on what the aspect ratio of most of their camera equipment is. If their equipment shoots at 16:9, then it's prudent to have the content be made at 16:9.

 

Even if you "overshoot", like record at 16:9 at a very large resolution but crop the top and bottom to fit 21:9 then downsample (like the oft suggested shoot at 8K, downsample for "5K"), you have to be very mindful of where the camera is pointing at all times. This is more work than anyone would care to do.

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12 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Then you would have black bars at a movie theater which would be much more annoying. You can also have shots that are on IMAX cameras that have no black bars.

13 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

And leave everyone who paid for the movie on the cinema which still is where most the money comes from with huge side black bars? xD

13 minutes ago, Droidbot said:

why would they film at 16:9 when movie theaters are fitted with 21:9 screens

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1 hour ago, M.Yurizaki said:

If I wanted to be pedantic, cinema shoots at 2.39:1. Ultrawide is 2.33:1. Closer, but not the same.

"21:9" Monitors are the same aspect ratio as cinema. 3440/1440 = 2.3888888888888888~. 21:9 is just the closest nice marketing number which can be related to the existing 16:9 standard.

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Aspect ratio of films is an art style. Usually, 21:9 (amongst other ultra wide aspect ratios), is because the director wants to show more of the scenery around the actors, or vistas and such. Of course, they are many other possible reasons, hence an art direction.

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4 minutes ago, Nicholatian said:

It doesn’t always work like that. Film is often shot at 21:9, and what happens with that is you get a bunch of content cut of because you want to have it be 16:9. Like @GoodBytes said, it’s just preference.

What? If it's 21:9 on a 16:9 that's why you have black bars because it is a longer rectangle scaled down to a smaller one but both have the same height.

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Does Youtube support proper 21:9 content? I've seen a few videos that are filmed 21:9 and are pillar boxed and letter boxed.

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7 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

What? If it's 21:9 on a 16:9 that's why you have black bars because it is a longer rectangle scaled down to a smaller one but both have the same height.

I think what he meant was that when shooting movies they often use camera lens and cameras best suited for 2.35:1 and the film or digital format is in that aspect ratio. Especially with film, I guess it's easy to scan the film and get a 5000 x 2500 frame or even higher, allowing you to crop a 3840-4096 x 2160 frame (16:9) out of that.

So it could be a director's choice to crop out some information and produce an aspect ratio different than 2.35:1 just because it may suite the movie better.

 

For example, see the aspect ratios video I linked above - i strongly suspect that Chronicle was recorded at 2.35:1 aspect ratio but they made it 16:9 to make it feel like it was recorded with cameras by the characters of the movie (to give that movie the recovered footage / documentary vibe)

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16 minutes ago, Nicholatian said:

…aaand you get big black bars on the left and the right. Not all that great of an experience on a 21:9 monitor.

I was talking 21:9 on 16:9. Left and right is 16:9 on 21:9.

9 minutes ago, mariushm said:

 

I think what he meant was that when shooting movies they often use camera lens and cameras best suited for 2.35:1 and the film or digital format is in that aspect ratio. Especially with film, I guess it's easy to scan the film and get a 5000 x 2500 frame or even higher, allowing you to crop a 3840-4096 x 2160 frame (16:9) out of that.

So it could be a director's choice to crop out some information and produce an aspect ratio different than 2.35:1 just because it may suite the movie better.

 

For example, see the aspect ratios video I linked above - i strongly suspect that Chronicle was recorded at 2.35:1 aspect ratio but they made it 16:9 to make it feel like it was recorded with cameras by the characters of the movie (to give that movie the recovered footage / documentary vibe)

This makes more sense

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37 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

What? If it's 21:9 on a 16:9 that's why you have black bars because it is a longer rectangle scaled down to a smaller one but both have the same height.

 

3 minutes ago, Nicholatian said:

I don’t know what you’re reading, but that’s exactly what I was talking about a few replies ago. I know you meant 16:9 on 21:9, but that doesn’t mean there’s wasted space?

Right here I am talking about typical movies on a 16:9 screen

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Probably when 21:9 becomes adopted to the point where making videos to please that group doesn't affect their ability to grow their channel.

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A bunch of people who bought a monitor without fully realizing the drawbacks now want to be catered to at the expense of 99% of the other viewers.

 

If you want a 21:9 video then you could download the video and crop it yourself. Just cut off some of the top and bottom.

 

 

 

As for why LTT probably hasn't done it, because they have no reason to.

If you look at their videos you will see it's mostly just glamor shots, charts or talking heads. All of those benefit from 16:9 compared to 21:9.

 

Glamor shots = Want you focused on the product, not what's around the product. Making the frame wider will just make it harder fitting the entire product in the frame while simultaneously not just filming a bunch of the table it's sitting on.

 

Charts = Usually tall or square, not wide. Making them wider can actually result in results looking inaccurate, such as a small difference of 1 FPS might look much larger in the bars (since the bars are longer overall).

 

Talking heads = You want the focus to be on the person talking, not what's going on around or behind them. You want as little background noise as possible, and making the frame wider makes this task harder.

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