AMD Ryzen 4 Core rumoured to have Hyper Threading disabled.

[DELTAprime]

Canard PC Tweeted out that Ryzen's 4 Core CPU is being sampled and it has AMD's Hyper Threading equivalent disabled making it a 4C 4T CPU. Well that's a let down.

 

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AMD started the 4 c B-Step (prod) Ryzen sampler with HT disabled. Possible that they are found in the commercial range

Here's the original Tweet in French 

 

[Simon771]

Depends how you look at it.

4 Ryzen cores for 50$ doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

[DarkBlade2117]

Ya.. depends how look at it. If the 4c/4t one is priced at i3 level or like $120 it'll for sure compete very well.

[desertcomputer]

Well if it price according it should be fine. 

[Simon771]

And just because they are releasing 4 core CPU without "hyperthreading", doesn't meant there won't be 4c/8t CPU.

I do hope they will also make some 6 core/12t CPU in Ryzen line.

[DarkBlade2117]

3 minutes ago, Aleksiandrovich said:

Maybe it is targeting the i5 in intel line up being the 4C no HT - this could make sense i think and intern be the middle of the pack being S5.

 

EDIT: I think what is important is what it is targeting - weather or not it is priced well and which of the three sections it falls under - should it be S3 this could be VERY good (if pricing is hit well).

It has to be the SR3. No way would they drop from an 8c/16t SR7 all the way down to 4C/4T for the SR5. SR5 no doubt is a hexa core

[Sakkura]

Just because there's a 4c4t chip doesn't mean there can't be a 4c8t chip too. And then there are the six cores. 

[DarkBlade2117]

1 minute ago, Aleksiandrovich said:

So are you saying the "S" series will push the new standard of CPUs being the elimination of the dual core and making the hexa/octa core the new standard high end consumer average - note not enthusiast intel grade.

AMD's been wanting to do that for a long time. Their entry level CPUs are already quad cores. Intel should of got rid of dual cores a long time ago.

[Simon771]

6 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

It has to be the SR3. No way would they drop from an 8c/16t SR7 all the way down to 4C/4T for the SR5. SR5 no doubt is a hexa core

Or maybe SR5 is 4 core with "hyperthreading" ?

I hope SR5 is 6c/12t, but it could also be 4c/8t

[captain cactus]

Good entry-level quadcore to go against the i3s and Pentiums. Or rather, kill those off because they're still dual-core.

[DarkBlade2117]

2 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

Or maybe SR5 is 4 core with "hyperthreading" ?

I hope SR5 is 6c/12t, but it could also be 4c/8t

Eh.. wouldn't make sense with how they're doing it now.

It'll "maybe" work out like this.

4C/4T is to compete with the new Pentiums. Maybe AMD didn't expect that the kaby Pentiums would have HT and kind of just had to come up with something to compete in the $75 range.

4C/8T will compete with i3's

6C/12T will compete with i5's

8C/16T will compete with i7's

 

[iRileyx]

Or maybe they'll not call this 4 core 4 thread cpu under the "SR" naming scheme, and it give it a worded name so its kind of like a Pentium equivalent. Who knows  

[Simon771]

8 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Eh.. wouldn't make sense with how they're doing it now.

It'll "maybe" work out like this.

4C/4T is to compete with the new Pentiums. Maybe AMD didn't expect that the kaby Pentiums would have HT and kind of just had to come up with something to compete in the $75 range.

4C/8T will compete with i3's

6C/12T will compete with i5's

8C/16T will compete with i7's

 

Well if IPC will be realy that good, I don't think they need 4c/8t to compete with Intel i3. More like 4c/4t.

Ryzen looks kinda promising.

But I do hope they will release all those variants of CPUs.

[DarkBlade2117]

1 minute ago, Simon771 said:

Well if IPC will be realy that good, I don't think they need 4c/8t to compete with Intel i3. More like 4c/4t.

Ryzen looks kinda promising.

But I do hope they will release all those variants of CPUs.

I mean... maybe but I don't see them dropping straight to a quad core from an octacore. Wouldn't make any sense to go balls out with a 8c/16t than instantly drop to a quad core.

[Simon771]

Just now, DarkBlade2117 said:

I mean... maybe but I don't see them dropping straight to a quad core from an octacore. Wouldn't make any sense to go balls out with a 8c/16t than instantly drop to a quad core.

Yeah that's also what I think.

It would be also weird if they have only 4c/8t and 8c/16t CPUs, and nothing in between.

 

Can't wait for Ryzen benchmarks lol

[grimreeper132]

11 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

Well if IPC will be realy that good, I don't think they need 4c/8t to compete with Intel i3. More like 4c/4t.

Ryzen looks kinda promising.

But I do hope they will release all those variants of CPUs.

Although yes they probably don't need 4C/8t to compete with i3s but if you want to break into a markets you need to offer something the competitors can't so lower priced high performance CPUs would be the way to go, that being said 4C/8t does seam a little over the top for i3s, so I would imagine that the 4c/8t would be for the i5s, with the 4c/4t for both i3's and below. with two SR7s a 6c/8t and a 8c/16t to compete with both i7 extremes, and normal i7s

[Dabombinable]

As long as AMD ends up killing all fucking dual cores with fire (and yes, dual cores for Haswell and up are retarded).

[captain cactus]

41 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Eh.. wouldn't make sense with how they're doing it now.

It'll "maybe" work out like this.

4C/4T is to compete with the new Pentiums. Maybe AMD didn't expect that the kaby Pentiums would have HT and kind of just had to come up with something to compete in the $75 range.

4C/8T will compete with i3's

6C/12T will compete with i5's

8C/16T will compete with i7's

 

They'll compete price-wise. But a 6c/12t Ryzen CPU will win from a 4c/4t i5 (save from maybe the 6600k). Mostly because every 6c/12t Ryzen CPU is unlocked but also because it has 6 physical cores with SMT rather than 4 cores and no HT.

[Simon771]

44 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

Although yes they probably don't need 4C/8t to compete with i3s but if you want to break into a markets you need to offer something the competitors can't so lower priced high performance CPUs would be the way to go, that being said 4C/8t does seam a little over the top for i3s, so I would imagine that the 4c/8t would be for the i5s, with the 4c/4t for both i3's and below. with two SR7s a 6c/8t and a 8c/16t to compete with both i7 extremes, and normal i7s

I can 100% agreee with you.

But if the IPC will be as good as they are saying, and if we can clock those CPUs to 4,0GHz and beyond ... this will bring a light to CPU market. AMD will either offer us "Intel like" cpus for lower prices or it will at least force Intel to lower prices on their end.

As long as AMD will deliver that IPC, there are going to be changes in CPU prices.

[Sakkura]

1 hour ago, Simon771 said:

Or maybe SR5 is 4 core with "hyperthreading" ?

I hope SR5 is 6c/12t, but it could also be 4c/8t

There can be multiple models. So you could perhaps have some SR5 that are 4C8T and some that are 6C6T or 6C12T.

 

(4C8T vs 6C6T would be an interesting choice)

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, Simon771 said:

I can 100% agreee with you.

But if the IPC will be as good as they are saying, and if we can clock those CPUs to 4,0GHz and beyond ... this will bring a light to CPU market. AMD will either offer us "Intel like" cpus for lower prices or it will at least force Intel to lower prices on their end.

As long as AMD will deliver that IPC, there are going to be changes in CPU prices.

Yep, which is why I'm glad, as although I could be getting my hopes up too much, but I am thinking that the 8C/16t might be in my price range when I make my next PC this summer

[Sakkura]

1 hour ago, RKRiley said:

Or maybe they'll not call this 4 core 4 thread cpu under the "SR" naming scheme, and it give it a worded name so its kind of like a Pentium equivalent. Who knows  

Can't use Pentium, gotta call it Fiveeightysixium I guess.

[Aniallation]

Anything's fine for the right price.

[captain cactus]

14 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

There can be multiple models. So you could perhaps have some SR5 that are 4C8T and some that are 6C6T or 6C12T.

 

(4C8T vs 6C6T would be an interesting choice)

Pretty sure the SR3 will be all the quad cores with and without SMT, SR5 for the 6c12t option (don't think there will be 6c6t option, just doesn't make a lot of sense) and the SR7 being the 8c/12t CPU.

[malon]

For all we know the 4c/4t is the bottom line of ryzen cpus and aimed to compete with intels pentium/i3 segment of cpus