AMD Ryzen 4 Core rumoured to have Hyper Threading disabled.

[Bouzoo]

Here you go form Guru3D. 

 

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-starts-sampling-4-core-ryzen-processors.html

 

Why can't we have HT on all of them? What bothers me are only 8 lanes on... chipset? Also CF/SLI only on X370. I'm sure some people with B350 would CF/SLI. 

 

 

[DELTAprime]

2 hours ago, Bouzoo said:

Oh I never realised they were going with PCIe Gen 2, that won't be good for Samsung 960 Pros and Evos if it's correct.

[Space Reptile]

4 hours ago, Simon771 said:

Depends how you look at it.

4 Ryzen cores for 50$ doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

sooo ... why would they do that ? a flipping pentium is more expensive than that , unless is a ryzen athlon 5350 you wont get it for 50$

[Bouzoo]

15 minutes ago, DELTAprime said:

Oh I never realised they were going with PCIe Gen 2, that won't be good for Samsung 960 Pros and Evos if it's correct.

Yeah, it's bugging the hell out of me.

[leadeater]

23 minutes ago, DELTAprime said:

Oh I never realised they were going with PCIe Gen 2, that won't be good for Samsung 960 Pros and Evos if it's correct.

 

8 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Yeah, it's bugging the hell out of me.

 

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The only nitpick with X370 is that it has only eight PCIe lanes of its own. Coupled with the 24 PCIe lanes of Ryzen—16 for graphics, four for NVMe, and four to communicate with the chipset—users have 32 lanes to work with.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/01/amd-ryzen-motherboards-hype/

 

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• 24 PCIe Gen 3 lanes (from the CPU).
  16 PCIe Gen 3 lanes dedicated for graphics with support for up to 3-way CrossFireX & 2-way SLI.
  4 PCIe Gen 3 lanes dedicated for storage (NVMe, SATA & PCIe storage)
  4 PCIe Gen 3 dedicated for LAN & USB3.1 Gen 2 ports.
• 8 PCIe Gen 2 lanes (from the chipset)

http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-ryzen-cpus-unlocked-overclocking/

 

Still odd the chipset doesn't use Gen 3 but it doesn't need to. I suspect they went with Gen 2 so they could have more lanes for versatility, using Gen 3 would only allow for 4 lanes not 8 (bandwidth wise)

 

[You_are_a_cunt]

Could also be a low power variant, I suppose

[Bouzoo]

6 minutes ago, leadeater said:

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For an enthusiast platform that has the lanes/chipset level of ~Haswell, that is personally a disappointment, and I'm sure that you can agree.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Bouzoo said:

For an enthusiast platform that has the lanes/chipset level of ~Haswell, that is personally a disappointment, and I'm sure that you can agree.

Largely not an enthusiast platform, which shouldn't be surprising if one has been paying attention to AMD in recent months.

[leadeater]

Just now, Bouzoo said:

For an enthusiast platform that has the lanes/chipset level of ~Haswell, that is personally a disappointment, and I'm sure that you can agree.

Yep, since I currently use X79 with crossfire and a 10Gb NIC the arrangement for PCIe lanes could be an issue for me. Will have to wait and see. Depending on the server range of CPUs I might actually consider that instead for an Intel vs AMD upgrade.

[Bouzoo]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Largely not an enthusiast platform, which shouldn't be surprising if one has been paying attention to AMD in recent months.

Since we're talking about 8C/16T CPUs that should be OCable on air to 5GB, and are competing with Z170/270 and arguably x99, yeah, I'd call it enthusiast. 

[themaniac]

I think that this will end up being around $90-$140 to compete in the i3 territory and that there will be a 4c variant with smt to compete in the i5 territory $180-$250, not sure if this was already said, don't have the time to read through the thread

 

also minor note amd doesn't use ht they use smt, yes they are practically the same, but intel owns the trademark to ht so amd cant use it

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Bouzoo said:

Since we're talking about 8C/16T CPUs that should be OCable on air to 5GB, and are competing with Z170/270 and arguably x99, yeah, I'd call it enthusiast. 

The 5GHz rumor should die. Hype like that killed bulldozer. It's an unsubstantiated claim that will be extremely likely be proven wrong upon release.

8c/16t also has marketability outside of enthusiast systems.

At best, AMD is just bring more cores to mainstream and business chipsets, where additional features of X99 just equal wasted cost.

[leadeater]

8 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Since we're talking about 8C/16T CPUs that should be OCable on air to 5GB, and are competing with Z170/270 and arguably x99, yeah, I'd call it enthusiast. 

Yea that's the odd one out of the bunch. You can argue that the 6 core really is just a mainstream variant designed to move the desktop platform forward but the 8 core is a little stuck with that many lanes. Would have need nice if the 8 core had 4 more Gen 3 CPU lanes, this CPU is way more likely to be put in systems that don't just use GPUs and possibly an NVMe,

[Notional]

I think the 4 core 4 thread Ryzen is the competition for I3. In that case it would still rek I3.

[Bouzoo]

11 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

The 5GHz rumor should die. Hype like that killed bulldozer. It's an unsubstantiated claim that will be extremely likely be proven wrong upon release.

8c/16t also has marketability outside of enthusiast systems.

At best, AMD is just bring more cores to mainstream and business chipsets, where additional features of X99 just equal wasted cost.

I'm skeptical about that, but either way, with that one being true or not, with all put together, it is an enthusiast line. Not all of Ryzen of course, but the high end is. It has almost all bells and whistles of the i7 line. I'm not sure why we are arguing over this...?

11 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Yea that's the odd one out of the bunch, You can argue that the 6 core really is just a mainstream variant designed to move the desktop platform forward but the 8 core is a little stuck with that many lanes. Would have need nice if the 8 core had 4 more Gen 3 CPU lanes, this CPU is way more likely to be put in systems that don't just use GPUs and possibly an NVMe,

Yes, I do agree on that, until recently I had no idea how many lanes the thing would have, and it could be a bit of a problem for some enthusiasts that would go with 7700K for instance. Or you for that matter which I've no idea what you current upgrade path is. 

EDIT: Oh yeah, I find the lack of quad channel weird as well. 

7 minutes ago, Notional said:

I think the 4 core 4 thread Ryzen is the competition for I3. In that case it would still rek I3.

I honestly hope it is so we can finally put i5s (so to say) as a minimum and finally move forward.

But as I get it, they will have: 4C, 4C/8T, 6C/12T and 8C/16t, which doesn't sound that bad. 

[leadeater]

12 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

The 5GHz rumor should die. Hype like that killed bulldozer. It's an unsubstantiated claim that will be extremely likely be proven wrong upon release.

And the OC capability of a CPU shouldn't be used in any way to discern the performance of it and the success of the platform. Neither should clock rate for that matter but to a much lesser degree, only due to how technologically stuck we are with CPU design though.

 

Clock rate is just an arbitrary number meaningless in any way without supplementary information. Over clocking is not a fundamental part of computing and is just a technical challenge that enthusiast like to try out. If Ryzen was locked on all SKUs but was 15%-20% faster than all of Intel's offerings and cheaper it will sell extremely well, if people purchased logically.

[Notional]

1 minute ago, Bouzoo said:

I honestly hope it is so we can finally put i5s (so to say) as a minimum and finally move forward.

But as I get it, they will have: 4C, 4C/8T, 6C/12T and 8C/16t, which doesn't sound that bad. 

 

That sounds great to me. That's a huge step up from Intel; even if the IPC is 5-10% lower, AMD should be way ahead.

[captain cactus]

3 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Since we're talking about 8C/16T CPUs that should be OCable on air to 5GB, and are competing with Z170/270 and arguably x99, yeah, I'd call it enthusiast. 

No, no and no, that 5GHz OC is one ONE CORE for a very short time and in no way stable for 24/7 operations. Ryzen will not do 5GHz on all 8 effing cores on an air cooler. It just won't. Stop believing that it will.

 

If you CF/SLI a pair of GPUs on an X370 board you run them in 8x each and still have 8 PCIe 3.0 lanes for NVMe drives and a whackton of USB ports and that's coming from the CPU alone. I don't see how that's not enthusiast.

 

[Sauron]

I'd be very surprised if they didn't make skews with both enabled and disabled ht at different price points.

[Bouzoo]

3 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

No, no and no, that 5GHz OC is one ONE CORE for a very short time and in no way stable for 24/7 operations. Ryzen will not do 5GHz on all 8 effing cores on an air cooler. It just won't. Stop believing that it will.

Note that I used should be, not will be, since I don't believe it myself. I'm always open for everything and expect nothing. I do believe some people will OC it close to 5, on all cores, but on custom loops. 

[Drak3]

17 minutes ago, leadeater said:

And the OC capability of a CPU shouldn't be used in any way to discern the performance of it and the success of the platform. Neither should clock rate for that matter but to a much lesser degree, only due to how technologically stuck we are with CPU design though.

 

Clock rate is just an arbitrary number meaningless in any way without supplementary information. Over clocking is not a fundamental part of computing and is just a technical challenge that enthusiast like to try out. If Ryzen was locked on all SKUs but was 15%-20% faster than all of Intel's offerings and cheaper it will sell extremely well, if people purchased logically.

We're assuming most consumers think clock speed + IPC+ instruction sets = performance. Most assume that only clock speed does, and still generating hype with people who should know better.

[Phate.exe]

5 hours ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Eh.. wouldn't make sense with how they're doing it now.

It'll "maybe" work out like this.

4C/4T is to compete with the new Pentiums. Maybe AMD didn't expect that the kaby Pentiums would have HT and kind of just had to come up with something to compete in the $75 range.

4C/8T will compete with i3's

6C/12T will compete with i5's

8C/16T will compete with i7's

 

If I had to guess:

4c/4t to compete with i3's

4c/8t to compete with i5's

6c/12t to compete with "normal" i7's like the 6700k

8c/16t to compete with super-expensive cpu's like the 6900k

 

Also APU's will likely be spread around through the i3 and i5 range.

 

I don't believe for a second that the i3 market segment needs a 4c/8t processor.

[leadeater]

7 hours ago, Drak3 said:

We're assuming most consumers think clock speed + IPC+ instruction sets = performance. Most assume that only clock speed does, and still generating hype with people who should know better.

Well actually I think most people don't know a damn thing because of how quickly these OC rumors spread and actually think the Ghz hit has any meaning at all for an unknown architecture .

[deviant88]

5 hours ago, Simon771 said:

Depends how you look at it.

4 Ryzen cores for 50$ doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

Dream on, half the performance and OC pottential of Ryzen at 50$ hehe nope.

At best case 4core will be prices 150$ just above i3 and undercutting i5's, but with OC pottential. 6 core will be undercutting i7 4c/8t models  at ~300$.

Sadly even if these prices are good enough they will arive in the rest of the world outside of US at much higher prices add 100$ on top making Ryzen way too expensive, only in time they will drop, amd usually drops prices with time unlike shit intel. Im expecting to buy an ryzen 6core/12 thread OC unlocked in 2018 around <250$ but thats just a dream.

[That Norwegian Guy]

Remember, we all thought there was only going to be one 8-core SKU but then there were rumours of a second one. Probably the same thing with the 4-core, they're fleshing out the range to have more entry points for different niches. Hopefully without sprawling a jungle of trash SKUs Intel-style.