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Under the screen, Darling it's better Down where it's notchless - leaked Vietnam phone shows underscreen camera + apple's version

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A video last month showed a local Vietnamese brand, Vsmart having a camera that is placed behind the screen, giving a notchless and near no bezel design. While it is known that multiple brands such as Oppo, Xiaomi, Huawei and Oppo has mentioned that hey are working on phones with underscreen camera, this is the first time this is a source that is not official. According to popular leaker IceUniverse and a reply to his tweet, it is believed that this may be manufactured by Visionox, an OLED manufacturer in China.

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The OLED display features a new pixel structure, highly transparent materials, a special pixel arrangement and new driving circuitry. Due to all these innovations, the under-screen camera is virtually undetectable, with no brightness differences, colour changes, and viewing angle differences between the transparent sub-screen and the rest of the screen. The first handsets using the technology will be released soon. It is not known which device will feature the new screen, but Oppo had earlier demonstrated a device with an under-screen camera, but said they could not ship it as mass production was too difficult, a barrier which now appears to have been overcome.

Elsewhere it is rumored that the next generation iphone may also come with a underdisaply camera, according to a japanese site who found mockups on alibaba.

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And OPPO ‘s screen has the marker indicated upper center of ,The under part of the screen camera is on the test .it is highly possible. It could be a 5.5-inch device with ultra-thin bezels than the iPhone 2020/5.4 inch. The rear camera section has five points placed crosswise. It looks like a module junction for testing various camera modules. The bottom connector is a USB-C connector instead of a Lightning connector. Since it is a production machine, it is thought to adopt the USB-C connector which is highly versatile.

Source: https://mspoweruser.com/visionox-start-mass-producing-the-first-fully-under-screen-front-facing-smartpone-camera/

http://www.macotakara.jp/blog/rumor/entry-39872.html

Thoughts: Nice to see some form of underdisplay phone finally hitting the market soon. But without any real announcements the prospect is grim. It would likely be early next year if we were to see any product appearing in the consumer market (and not just the 1500$+ premium exclusive market like the Vivo NEX or foldables)


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Didn't Samsung demo it months ago at their event and some other brand, maybe Oppo, showed it off with the dimming glass?


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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Didn't Samsung demo it months ago at their event and some other brand, maybe Oppo, showed it off with the dimming glass?

oneplus showed the dimming glass but it was to hide the back cameras

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7 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Didn't Samsung demo it months ago at their event and some other brand, maybe Oppo, showed it off with the dimming glass?

A lot of manufacturers Did demo, but this is the first unofficial source.


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The second video appears to be a plastic block with a sticker on it.  I suppose it might have some import if the plastic block in question is being released by Apple to case makers


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I put the likelihood of that "iPhone 12" and "iPhone 13" models being accurate at about 0.1%.

It looks like something someone 3D printed in their garage, filmed themselves holding and put some spooky music over for Internet clout.

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I bet apple will only implement underscreen cameras when the tech is so good that it’s almost not noticeable. They‘ll wait for the tech to be perfected


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5 minutes ago, Drama Lama said:

I bet apple will only implement underscreen cameras when the tech is so good that it’s almost not noticeable. They‘ll wait for the tech to be perfected

This is what they traditionally do.  Steve is dead though. 


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2 hours ago, LAwLz said:

I put the likelihood of that "iPhone 12" and "iPhone 13" models being accurate at about 0.1%.

It looks like something someone 3D printed in their garage, filmed themselves holding and put some spooky music over for Internet clout.

also the video title proves it most likely false as the iPhone 11s would be 2021, we would have the 13 in 2024

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damn these chinese intelligence collabs with the NSA are really paying out now

If you are referring to phones with a fixed front camera, that's like 99% of the current market. And no manufacturer is going to advertise "no front camera at all" without becoming a laughing stock. This is a feature. They will tell you that there IS a front camera.


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Yeah we've seen demos of this. Can't wait finally when this goes mainstream already. Sick of broken crap that are notches or punch holes. Barely any phones now without, aside from some gaming focused like ROG phone, 1+ dropped motorized front cam for some reason, at least Sony has full display. I'm looking into Xperia 1 II currently. 

But yeah once under display front cam is a thing I'm skipping all the horrendous phones. 


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1+ dropped motorized front cam for some reason

i blame all the youtubers who didn't stop defining as negative because "muh moving parts herp derp"


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I’m underwhelmed by this whole “OMG NO! a 1/4” hole!!!” Thing. 
 

ive got an iPhone 7+ with a whole bar across the top and it’s fine.  It just makes the screen a less tortured form factor.  I even think the notch is kinda dumb. 


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2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I’m underwhelmed by this whole “OMG NO! a 1/4” hole!!!” Thing. 
 

ive got an iPhone 7+ with a whole bar across the top and it’s fine.  It just makes the screen a less tortured form factor.  I even think the notch is kinda dumb. 

that bar doesn't cut into the display though 


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11 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

i blame all the youtubers who didn't stop defining as negative because "muh moving parts herp derp"

This is surprisingly accurate.  All moving parts do by definition eventually “herp derp” as you put it.  Android builds themselves “herp derp” so fast it basically doesn’t matter because the manufacturers don’t support their devices long enough for even tiny plastic gears to wear out of course.  I totally see Apple avoiding that thing because they make their devices work for more than one software update but I’m not sure it matters as much for android.

 

what a delicat easily breakable part like a motorized pop up (anything really) does is reduce resale value because it’s going to break, and it’s going to do it fairly quickly.  I personally wouldn’t buy a used device with something like that on it more than a few months old at all.  As in “that is worth $0 to me”


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4 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

that bar doesn't cut into the display though 

Correct. It does make the display smaller, though that also improves its form factor and causes it to draw less power.  A net loss perhaps.  


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2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

This is surprisingly accurate.  All moving parts do by definition eventually “herp derp” as you put it.  Android builds themselves “herp derp” so fast it basically doesn’t matter because the manufacturers don’t support their devices long enough for even tiny plastic gears to wear out of course.  I totally see Apple avoiding that thing because they make their devices work for more than one software update but I’m not sure it matters as much for android.

and i've yet to see people complaining on 1+'s forum about their 7 pro camera dying or having issues popping up. 

Moving parts die eventually sure, but to define it as negative when the mechanism is stress tested enough to be used for years with the the camera poping up an in non stop the entire time is just lying to everyone.

Just like the same people going "herp derp sliding phone no cause moving parts herp derpp" when we lived through an entire generation where that identical mechanism was the only option from many brands.


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2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Correct. It does make the display smaller, though that also improves its form factor and causes it to draw less power.  A net loss perhaps.  

would say it makes the display smaller,  just that the phones is bigger to hold the same screen size as other bezel free phones.

 


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2 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

and i've yet to see people complaining on 1+'s forum about their 7 pro camera dying or having issues popping up. 

Moving parts die eventually sure, but to define it as negative when the mechanism is stress tested enough to be used for years with the the camera poping up an in non stop the entire time is just lying to everyone.

Just like the same people going "herp derp sliding phone no cause moving parts herp derpp" when we lived through an entire generation where that identical mechanism was the only option from many brands.

The problem is perhaps overblown.  An issue with perception.

A pop up is a lot more complicated than a mechanical slide or a hinge.  There’s got to be a spring or a motor/gearbox involved.  Springs CAN last a long time. 


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As far as I'm concerned, they can just remove front facing camera. Only thing I use it for is as mirror to check if I have salad between my teeth after lunch. But I can live without that functionality...

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would say it makes the display smaller,  just that the phones is bigger to hold the same screen size as other bezel free phones.

 

True.  Longer anyway.   Long thin screens are a bit crap to start with though, and they get worse as they get longer and thinner.  Every technology ever that had a screen, going back to the movin’ picture theatres a hundred years ago started with a square screen.  There’s a reason for that.

 

UPDATE: just had a thought:  making the pop up a non powered hinge instead might not make it ACTUALLY more rugged but it would make it SEEM more rugged. Porsche and Chevy learned this with pop up headlights.  The problem with geared pop up headlights is the car eventually gets so one is permanently up and the other is permanently down.  Corvettes with hidden headlights eventually went with this weird rotation thing just to simplify the mechanism.

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Not expecting this to happen... and Apple won't have prototypes of the 2021 iPhone circulating around, not even in mockups.

 

Also, I don't know why people get so neurotic about notches or hole-punch cameras.  You get used to them, and they don't really hurt the experience compared to the bezel that would otherwise take their place.  Relax.  Just use a phone and enjoy it instead of wanting it to be visually perfect.

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