10980XE vs 3950X

[TheNaitsyrk]

Okay so...

 

I have EVGA X299 Dark already, I have 4 slot NVLink bridge, cards are already set up to be in the board.

 

Now I'm thinking whether I should get 10980XE and OC the snot out of it (I am sure I can get 5.0Ghz out of it with my cooling)

Or buy a brand-new mobo X570 and 3950X.

 

What do you guys think? Either option will cost me the same.

I like overclocking btw.

[For Science!]

2 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

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get the 10980XE, if you don't like it then return the whole thing and then get 3970X with a TRX40 board.

[TheNaitsyrk]

Just now, For Science! said:

get the 10980XE, if you don't like it then return the whole thing and then get 3970X with a TRX40 board.

This is the 1st time I will not be able to afford that CPU. Close to 3K is too much.

[GamerDude]

5 minutes ago, For Science! said:

get the 10980XE, if you don't like it then return the whole thing and then get 3970X with a TRX40 board.

I agree, since OP already has a mobo compatible with the 10980XE, go for it!

[RollinLower]

i mean, if you're already on the platform, i don't see why you shouldn't go for a 10980XE.

but if you're already on X299, you probably already own something like a 7980XE or something? so why the upgrade?

[Midnitewolf]

I agree with the others.  The 10980XE is just a drop in solution for you which makes it the best option. 

[GoldenLag]

16 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

like overclocking btw.

Multiplier overclocking.

 

Or tweaking the whole shebang?

 

And im guessing the 3960x is outside the budget. 

[For Science!]

10 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

This is the 1st time I will not be able to afford that CPU. Close to 3K is too much.

Then "if money is not not an option" you have immediately landed in the "cares somewhat about value" camp.

 

The only case where the 10980XE is justifiable as a product is if you care about quad memory channel support or if you use an application that is PCIe bandwidth limited (i.e. not gaming). Whereas the 3950X beats it in pretty much every other scenario, and in anything other than 1080p gaming, is definitely in parity as a minimum.

 

So the total upgrade cost to a 10980XE is presumably cheaper than the 3950X, and since you clearly care about the value proposition somewhat you are probably better off with the 10980XE, game at 4K and sit in comfort that at least the FPS is the same as the 3950X. 

[.Apex.]

9 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Okay so...

 

I have EVGA X299 Dark already, I have 4 slot NVLink bridge, cards are already set up to be in the board.

 

Now I'm thinking whether I should get 10980XE and OC the snot out of it (I am sure I can get 5.0Ghz out of it with my cooling)

Or buy a brand-new mobo X570 and 3950X.

 

What do you guys think? Either option will cost me the same.

I like overclocking btw.

Either would be fine since you're spending the same amount of money, but it's worth to note the 3950X only consumes 140W Stock and 250W Overclocked, while the 10980XE is 250W Stock and 500W+ overclocked, that's a lot of heat

[Fasauceome]

With 10th gen's release, a 9980XE shouldn't cost you much, it might end up as a better value option once the pricing changes.

[TVwazhere]

28 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

What do you guys think? Either option will cost me the same.

I like overclocking btw.

Quote

Most Fun to Overclock - 9900KS & 3950X

The next award is for Most Fun to Overclock. We’re going to split this one between the AMD R9 3950X and the Intel i9-9900KS. The 10980XE was fine, but sort of boring when compared to the more enthusiast-focused 7980XE. The Intel i9-9900KS is the more fun of the chips for non-extreme overclocking, as there’s a lot of room for voltage tuning -- particularly in the negative direction -- to maximize the volt-frequency curve. There’s room to tweak uncore and core clocks, alongside memory, and that room continues scaling into extreme overclocking and competitive overclocking endeavors.

 

The 3950X also lands on this chart, but for a different reason. Ryzen 3000 in general has potential to be a lot of fun or a lot of frustration, depending on what aspects of overclocking you’re most interested in. For ambient overclocking without extreme cooling, you’ll get the most gains from tuning the infinity fabric, memory timings, and memory sub-timings, with a lot less to gain from a pure core overclock. We find this fun, but people who don’t have any interest in memory tweaking may want to just load XMP or, best case, Ryzen DRAM calculator and then move on. There’s more to gain out of the Infinity Fabric overclocking than anything else, but that changes with exotic cooling.

 

For extreme cooling, the 3950X turns into a lot more fun. We were blown away at how well ours overclocked, but it makes sense -- it’s a better bin than the lower-tier SKUs. We were able to hold about 5.2 to 5.3GHz with liquid nitrogen, and it’s a lot of fun to tune all the AMD OC options along the way. There’s a lot to learn with XOC on Ryzen 3000, like the fact that infinity fabric has to be cut to 1467MHz once going below -100 degrees Celsius. We find this exploration process to be a fun aspect for enthusiast overclockers, while the 9900K and KS just feel sort of standard.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3533-best-cpus-of-2019-round-up-gaming-video-editing-3d-modeling-disappointment

 

If you're in it for the fun of overclocking, the 3950X is very compelling.

[TheNaitsyrk]

16 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

Either would be fine since you're spending the same amount of money, but it's worth to note the 3950X only consumes 140W Stock and 250W Overclocked, while the 10980XE is 250W Stock and 500W+ overclocked, that's a lot of heat

I can easily cool 500W no problem.

7 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

With 10th gen's release, a 9980XE shouldn't cost you much, it might end up as a better value option once the pricing changes.

I think it will only be £100 off so I might as well go for 10980XE (better bin).

17 minutes ago, For Science! said:

Then "if money is not not an option" you have immediately landed in the "cares somewhat about value" camp.

 

The only case where the 10980XE is justifiable as a product is if you care about quad memory channel support or if you use an application that is PCIe bandwidth limited (i.e. not gaming). Whereas the 3950X beats it in pretty much every other scenario, and in anything other than 1080p gaming, is definitely in parity as a minimum.

 

So the total upgrade cost to a 10980XE is presumably cheaper than the 3950X, and since you clearly care about the value proposition somewhat you are probably better off with the 10980XE, game at 4K and sit in comfort that at least the FPS is the same as the 3950X. 

Yeah, just simply can't afford Threadripper, it's just out of budget. I can pick 3950X or 10980XE, GN charts shows it's still mostly at the top (10980XE), it trades blows when overclocked so yea. 

 

I could sell X299 Dark but I don't know.

19 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Multiplier overclocking.

 

Or tweaking the whole shebang?

 

And im guessing the 3960x is outside the budget. 

It is.

 

19 minutes ago, Midnitewolf said:

I agree with the others.  The 10980XE is just a drop in solution for you which makes it the best option. 

It is easiest. All literally is prepared for it now.

 

25 minutes ago, RollinLower said:

i mean, if you're already on the platform, i don't see why you shouldn't go for a 10980XE.

but if you're already on X299, you probably already own something like a 7980XE or something? so why the upgrade?

Nope I bought the board 2 months ago.

[nick name]

Stay with the platform if you're running that many cards.  

[TheNaitsyrk]

1 minute ago, TVwazhere said:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3533-best-cpus-of-2019-round-up-gaming-video-editing-3d-modeling-disappointment

 

If you're in it for the fun of overclocking, the 3950X is very compelling.

No LN2, only water, but 3x 480mm rads and 1x 240mm (all thickest from EK) and 2 pumps. I imagine 4.4Ghz is where it will top out.

 

500W will be easier to cool on 10980XE 'cause cores are spread out more compared to e.g. 9900K.

[TheNaitsyrk]

Thanks for the opinions, I'll just stay with 10980XE, but I'll keep looking at reviews etc to see if Zombieload affects it etc.

[.Apex.]

7 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

I can easily cool 500W no problem.

I'm aware, I meant the heat that's dumped into the room

[TheNaitsyrk]

3 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

I'm aware, I meant the heat that's dumped into the room

That could be a problem indeed. Glad it's Winter now.

 

Although, it will be ran in short bursts so it shouldn't be too bad.

[Jrasero]

2 hours ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Okay so...

 

I have EVGA X299 Dark already, I have 4 slot NVLink bridge, cards are already set up to be in the board.

 

Now I'm thinking whether I should get 10980XE and OC the snot out of it (I am sure I can get 5.0Ghz out of it with my cooling)

Or buy a brand-new mobo X570 and 3950X.

 

What do you guys think? Either option will cost me the same.

I like overclocking btw.

lol dude remember when I responded to your previous post about the 3950X being just a beast or just waiting for the Threadripper refresh which now kills every chip out there?  Unless you have some need for an Intel based chip, there is zero reason to stay with Intel.

I sold my X399 board and 2950X and just got my 3950X and man besides the PCIe lanes the 3950X has the same core count but it much faster and requires less power and is much easier to cool.  I am cooling a 16 core CPU with a 240mm AIO, that is insane.  

The X299 is a dead platform honestly and I am not sure Intel is competitive maybe until 2021-2022, maybe.  So for me if you love to tinker sure the 10980XE will fulfill your overclocking fancy but at the end of the day the 3950X is simply a cheaper and in a lot of cases faster chip.  If you really want to go all out just go Threadripper

[Andy213]

Hi Linus, you and your staff do great unbiased work, it really is refreshing and very informative. i am asking you for a favour. i recently came across an article that was a benchmark test suite run between Intel 109980xe and Amd 3960x and 3970x. it has to do with software optimized for Intel cpu's in AVX and MLK libraries. these test cripple Amd cpus, but there are optimization code for Amd AVX2 that propel Amd ahead of Intel in AVX512 tests. i am attaching the link .herehttps://www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-matlab-cripple-amd-ryzen-threadripper-cpus . Could you please look this over and address your findings and opinion on your wann show. I hope going forward that all bench test comparisons of Intel Amd cpus do there do diligence to apply software optimizations for Amd as is the case for Intel in AVX MLK workloads so that we are comparing Apples to apples. Love your show, keep up the honest great work you all do for the consumer.Thank You. from Leonard Anderson.

[X-System]

15 hours ago, Andy213 said:

Hi Linus, you and your staff do great unbiased work, it really is refreshing and very informative. i am asking you for a favour. i recently came across an article that was a benchmark test suite run between Intel 109980xe and Amd 3960x and 3970x. it has to do with software optimized for Intel cpu's in AVX and MLK libraries. these test cripple Amd cpus, but there are optimization code for Amd AVX2 that propel Amd ahead of Intel in AVX512 tests. i am attaching the link .herehttps://www.extremetech.com/computing/302650-how-to-bypass-matlab-cripple-amd-ryzen-threadripper-cpus . Could you please look this over and address your findings and opinion on your wann show. I hope going forward that all bench test comparisons of Intel Amd cpus do there do diligence to apply software optimizations for Amd as is the case for Intel in AVX MLK workloads so that we are comparing Apples to apples. Love your show, keep up the honest great work you all do for the consumer.Thank You. from Leonard Anderson.

I think you are on the wrong thread.