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Original Tom's Hardware Article

(This article is a couple of days old but no one's posted it on the forum) 

 

Edit: Update on the article

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As detailed in a recent Product Change Notification (PCN) document, Intel is refreshing four of the company's Celeron and Pentium Apollo Lake processors due to degradation concerns. 

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Apollo Lake might consist of paltry Celeron and Pentium models, but these chips are commonly found in many budget products, including desktops, laptops, 2-in-1s and AIO (All-In-One) PCs.

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Intel identified an issue with the Low Pin Count (LPC), Real Time Clock (RTC), SD Card interfaces on Intel Celeron N3350, J3355, J3455 processors and Intel Pentium N4200 processor resulting in degradation of these signals at a rate higher than Intel's quality goals after multiple years in service.

Although not outlined in this article, most Chromebook use N3350 and N4200. As someone in the laptop market its basically wiped them out as an option. 

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Having identified the problems, Intel is proceeding to refresh the entire Apollo Lake lineup. Current Apollo Lake chips with the B1 stepping are moving over to the new F1 stepping.

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To simplify the transition and avoid confusion between the new and old stepping, Intel adding the "E" suffix to the processor names. As a result, the processors with the F1 stepping will be marketed as Celeron J3455E, J3355E, N3350E and Pentium N4200E.

It must be pretty bad if its justified for Intel to change stepping and release new chips for 3 year old CPUs. 

 

The most ironic thing about this is how Intel is bashing AMD for supposedly having unreliable chips.

 

Edit: Just an afterthought, but it seems fishy to announce a problem with budget CPUs after the Back to School shopping has ended. Perhaps its intentional, but at the moment it's just coincidental... 

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where is the class action lawsuit? where do I sign in to get my $5????

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2 minutes ago, Levent said:

where is the class action lawsuit? where do I sign in to get my $5????

It's big daddy intel, they probably already gave Brett Kavanaugh a six pack of beer to look the other way.

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12 minutes ago, Vulkan HeStan said:

It must be pretty bad if its justified for Intel to change stepping and release new chips for 3 year old CPUs.

All Intel has done recently is release new versions of the same chip, why break the habbit?

 

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Well, fuck, my router uses N4200. ? It's pretty much every other day now that I read some shit about Intel and their products...

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15 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

File a warranty claim

Meh, whats that gonna solve? Its not broken yet, and even if it was i wouldnt want a new j3355, i was actually waiting for the gemini lake refresh next year...

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hey! my stuffs older than that! Exept maybe my desktop that is on AMD.

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Well I know of some AIO that are affected...that business will be having fun.

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36 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Well I know of some AIO that are affected...that business will be having fun.

That's gonna be a broken contract with the supplier if I've ever seen one

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10 hours ago, Levent said:

where is the class action lawsuit? where do I sign in to get my $5????

You would fail any class action lawsuit against a company before they have actually done something wrong.  Making a product that turns out to be faulty and intentionally releasing a faulty production are two different things.    You will have to wait for Intel to refuse to replace your CPU under warranty or prove they falsely advertised the features of the chip in regard of longevity.  

 

 

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So is there a recall for replacement or extended warranty program or something then?  Now that they've admitted there's an issue I don't think they can just leave it at that.

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On 9/11/2019 at 6:08 AM, Master Disaster said:

All Intel has done recently is release new versions of the same chip, why break the habbit?

 

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All's well that's still Haswell.

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14 minutes ago, Animal901 said:

All's well that's still Haswell.

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What exactly does the change from B1 to F1 stepping make in terms of everything that matters (performance, power consumption, etc.)?  Am I understanding it correctly that existing CPUs will be changed with a software update?

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Me: Intel doesn't care of have to - because if they were a monopoly they would be stripped down.  They have to F up enough, and give AMD just enough - to let them be called Real Competition.

 

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3 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Me: Intel doesn't care of have to - because if they were a monopoly they would be stripped down.  They have to F up enough, and give AMD just enough - to let them be called Real Competition.

 

My 2 copper coins. 

I agree with this in the wider scope of business,  I think it's why no one at Intel loses sleep about most of the things this forum seems to think is a death knell for the company.  I don't think they intend for it to be that way and are complacent though.

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On 9/11/2019 at 7:07 AM, 5x5 said:

It's big daddy intel, they probably already gave Brett Kavanaugh a six pack of beer to look the other way.

How does Kavanaugh have anything to do with this?

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8 minutes ago, Orangeator said:

How does Kavanaugh have anything to do with this?

Chill man, it's a joke

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38 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Chill man, it's a joke

Okay, was just curious lol.

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On 9/11/2019 at 3:27 PM, Genwyn said:

Athlon 5350 was once again the better choice.

Suck it, celeron J series.

I honestly wish these and the boards they went in were still available. I need to build a new file server for just a few people in my office, and one of these would be perfect for the task.

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