Why lots of hate on the rtx 2060?

[Jimboynoob]

I went from 670 to an rtx 2060 and it was super worth it. Friends telling me rtx 2060 is not worth and I should def buy a Used 1070ti but for a NEW gpu with same performance as a 1070TI and the price almost the same? seems like a no brainier to me.

[emosun]

Theres no reason to include ray tracing on a midrange gpu . Thats why most people dislike the concept of it and why most recommended faster gpu's over a slower one which only has the advantage of being new

[Fasauceome]

The 2060 is considered the best value RTX card right now, being slightly worse than the 2070 for way less. A used 1070 ti is nice and all, but if you got a good deal then that's that.

[ThePD]

The RTX is a significantly newer GPU. I would hope you got a performance uplift... The reason the RTX 2060 is scrutinized is because of its price/performance. The other difference is the 1070 Ti has 2GB more VRAM, 2060 being 6GB and the 1070Ti being 8GB. Some would argue that the 2060 having 6GB of VRAM is a bad buy because as games start to use more VRAM the 2060 will age worse than the 1070 Ti would. Plus the RTX capabilities of the card are... interesting.

 

[porina]

Some people just hate nvidia. Some people over focus on list pricing not real world pricing. When I got 2070 it was a no brainer as it was same price as a comparable 1080, at least as fast with more features, and lower power consumption. Sold!

[PlayStation 2]

Because "muh RTX is a worthless feature", or something like that.

[Mira Yurizaki]

8 minutes ago, Jimboynoob said:

I went from 670 to an rtx 2060 and it was super worth it. Friends telling me rtx 2060 is not worth and I should def buy a Used 1070ti but for a NEW gpu with same performance as a 1070TI and the price almost the same? seems like a no brainier to me.

People think RTX perks are a worthless feature, so the price you're paying for something you aren't going to use lowers the perceived value of the card.

 

There's also the 6GB of VRAM that people take issue with, but I dunno. I feel like the RTX 2060 is meant for the 1080p crowd so unless you want super high texture resolution that wouldn't be appreciated anyway at 1080p, this 6GB of VRAM isn't really a problem.

[SolarNova]

Same reason for the 'hate' for the entire RTX line.

 

price:performance.

 

The xx60 to xx80 cards are all more expensive versions of the 10 series, with added 'features' that really are not ready or worthwhile.

 

The only card to give any significant perf increase is set at double the price it 'should' be for its teir.

[mrmoyer]

It's not just the rtx2060 that people are hating on its the whole rtx line Nvidia made this whole line overpriced, because they still had a s**t ton of inventory left of the 10 series, because they thought that cyrpto wouldn't crash as soon/ hard as it did. The problem is Nvidia also didn't discount their 10 series enough therefore leaving everyone mad and nvidia.The concept of rtx is cool, but with only  few titles supporting it it is pretty stupid that nvidia can charge this much for a "future" that is still a couple years away (if developers even decide to support ray tracing) .Aslo AMD hasn't had a card that competes with the 1060/2060, but i've heard they're trying to start discounting the vega 64's.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

TBH it's not that bad, not an improvement over 10 series in terms of price/performance, but not a loss per se, plus RTX or something

[Sorenson]

It's just misplaced anger IMO. Nvidia didn't update their cards for two years, and when they finally did they gave pretty much the same price to performance as the previous generation. That being said, I feel that is not true with the 2060, and as no games are currently limited by the 6gb of VRAM at 1440p (that I know of), I see no issue with it. 

[Princess Luna]

Nobody has hated that hard on the RTX 2060, actually the most controversial RTX card is the RTX 2070... it's a GTX 1080 for the price a GTX 1080 launched you get nothing extra from it, while the RTX 2060 is a GTX 1070 Ti basically the same thing but considerably cheaper, if we consider launch price at least.

 

RTX 2060 if you wanna save up, RTX 2080 if you wanna spend up.

 

The RTX 2070 is pointless to bother with and the RTX 2080 Ti is seriously pricey.

[Jurrunio]

To your friends specifically, because their informations are outdated. 1070ti dipped as low as $320 I think before it went out of stock and prices go put of whack. RTX 2060 started at $350, is no faster, the extra features don't work, and unlucky cards artifact from day 1 of use.

[Mira Yurizaki]

25 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Same reason for the 'hate' for the entire RTX line.

 

price:performance.

 

The xx60 to xx80 cards are all more expensive versions of the 10 series, with added 'features' that really are not ready or worthwhile.

 

The only card to give any significant perf increase is set at double the price it 'should' be for its teir.

The problem I feel is people are too attached to the naming conventions that NVIDIA did. I mean, it's a problem with NVIDIA for doing this, but the base MSRP for the 2070, and 2080 cards put the price/performance ratio in line with the 10 series at the same price point. However the RTX 2060 is what people were expecting as far as performance for a given price range goes.

 

Side stepping here, the base MSRP for the 2070 and 2080 is $500 and $700. If you want proof someone is actually selling the cards at that price: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-1071-KR and https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-2081-KR

 

I feel this is no different than when AMD started... I dunno what to call it, inflating the numbers of the Radeon starting at the HD 6000 series and it seemed to get worse at the R series.

 

And given the influx of used cards from the crypto boom, we're also in a situation where the used market is fresh with cards that people want to get rid of.

 

The other thing is the GeForce 10 series, as far as price/performance went, was an outlier. It skipped a process node and with it came all of the benefits of two generations of process improvements, more or less. And then NVIDIA did the unthinkable where it released the 1080 Ti at the same price as the 1080's original MSRP while price dropping the 1080. We were all expecting that card to be $800. So in other words, NVIDIA spoiled us with the GeForce 10 series. I don't think we're going to see that again any time soon.

 

EDIT: Another thing to add, the base MSRP of the RTX 2080 Ti is $1000. Which is also sold at that price by someone: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-2281-KR

[MeatFeastMan]

It's the 2070 that is the odd one out. Mainly because the performance is unusually close to the 2060, with only 2gb more vram (6GB GDDR6 still seems enough at 1080p, 1440p and even 4k in most cases)

 

The 2060 is one step below the 2080 in performance really (It's not far off the gtx 1080, and the 2080 is on par with the 1080ti). Therefore, the 2070 serves no purpose because it occupies a middle ground that nobody really cares about.

 

The rumours of Navi matching/outperforming the 2070 for half the price scared the life out of Nvidia, and forced them to increase the performance of the 2060. I truly believe that's the situation. Ultimately that threat hasn't got here yet,  but it was crucial for Nvidia to deal with it before it arrives.

 

[dizmo]

See, pricing is dependent on region, so for some people buying a 1070Ti is quite a bit cheaper than buying a 2060; that may or may not be true for you.

For those where that is the case, it makes more sense to buy a 1070Ti. Regional pricing is something people never seem to take into consideration.

If the prices were similar, the 2060 makes a good deal of sense. It can do DLSS, so if they ever fix that from the broken state it's in, then that might be a benefit.

 

14 minutes ago, mrmoyer said:

It's not just the rtx2060 that people are hating on its the whole rtx line Nvidia made this whole line overpriced, because they still had a s**t ton of inventory left of the 10 series, because they thought that cyrpto wouldn't crash as soon/ hard as it did. The problem is Nvidia also didn't discount their 10 series enough therefore leaving everyone mad and nvidia.The concept of rtx is cool, but with only  few titles supporting it it is pretty stupid that nvidia can charge this much for a "future" that is still a couple years away (if developers even decide to support ray tracing) .Aslo AMD hasn't had a card that competes with the 1060/2060, but i've heard they're trying to start discounting the vega 64's.

The cards do cost considerably more to produce than the previous generation. The die is significantly larger. So, the cost, while higher, isn't totally unreasonable.

It's not up to Nvidia to discount their 10 series cards. That's also on the retailers. Plus, if people are still buying them at retail, why would you ever discount them?

The 580 competes pretty handily with the 1060.

8 minutes ago, Sorenson said:

It's just misplaced anger IMO. Nvidia didn't update their cards for two years, and when they finally did they gave pretty much the same price to performance as the previous generation. That being said, I feel that is not true with the 2060, and as no games are currently limited by the 6gb of VRAM at 1440p (that I know of), I see no issue with it. 

They've kept to their regular release cycle. They've done nothing differently.

[Cyracus]

Basically Nvidia had a history of small price increases for each generational iteration, but with the turing series they jacked the price way up. So now at best you're getting similar price to performance as their last series which isn't the usual trend (~20% performance uplift at similar pricing) and it all stems from Nvidia gambling on the market and rolling snake eyes.

 

The rtx series aren't bad cards per se, but the price hike leaves a harsh taste 

[Sorenson]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

They've kept to their regular release cycle. They've done nothing differently.

I never said they didn't keep their regular release cycle. For a person that bought the 1070 ti when it came out there is nothing exciting in the 20 series cards almost 2 years later. If I wanted a 2080 level performance I would have shilled out $700 for the 1080 ti 2 years ago. 

 

5 minutes ago, dizmo said:

The cards do cost considerably more to produce than the previous generation. The die is significantly larger. So, the cost, while higher, isn't totally unreasonable.

 

The reason the die is so much larger is because of the tensor cores which aren't used in most games. It is Nvidia's job to convince consumers that a card is worth a certain price. I play no games that use ray tracing so why should I care that the core is more expensive to manufacture when they haven't implemented the features in most games. 

[Bartholomew]

Happy 2060 owner here. For me raytracing is well worth it at 2060 price; so there definatly a market. Kudos to nvidia for being the first to provide hw acceleration for the dx12 addition.

 

The statement that rtx on midrange makes no sense is a little silly (to me at least). At some point in time long ago there has been "the first midrange card to have 2d acceleration" (and later same with 3d). 

 

I think people underestimate the magnitude and potentional of this step forward as the new dx12 extension for RT is nearly as "huge" as the (now acient history) step from fixed function pipeljne to programmable shaders in old (even pre directx) days.

 

For programmers the good thing is that it mixes in nicely with current rendering architectures, making "adding rt" to a game less of a big thing (and keep in mind that once added to the major engines any title build on that "should" have support).

 

Truth be told though, devs will need time to find optimum ways and need to balance / shift between the now "oldskool" trickery and "new order" approaches. Look how dxr bf5 jumped performance with just 1 review/update cycle with nvidia.

 

I suspect that in two years time there will be amazing looking stuff with better performance on the rtx hw we have now. Yes, people like me are funding that by paying early adopters pricing, ce la vie, the engineers and their research need to be paid for progress by someone i guess.

 

Having worked on a few rendering pipelines myself I find it awesome what nvidia did here (or at least is trying to do); and my head explodes when thinking about the possibilities just around the corner. The hw is now there, now the engines and devs need to soak it in and exploit it to the max. 

 

Just my2 cents on the 2060

 

 

 

 

[dizmo]

20 hours ago, Sorenson said:

I never said they didn't keep their regular release cycle. For a person that bought the 1070 ti when it came out there is nothing exciting in the 20 series cards almost 2 years later. If I wanted a 2080 level performance I would have shilled out $700 for the 1080 ti 2 years ago. 

 

The reason the die is so much larger is because of the tensor cores which aren't used in most games. It is Nvidia's job to convince consumers that a card is worth a certain price. I play no games that use ray tracing so why should I care that the core is more expensive to manufacture when they haven't implemented the features in most games. 

The fact you might not find that feature useful doesn't change the fact that the card costs more to produce, thus has a higher retail price.

[RICHJR]

HI! after the nVidia RTX-2000 series been on the market for like 2 years now. Like most things the 1st version such as the RTX 2060 has uncharacteristics and many flaws.

Automobiles are the same way, example Ford comes out with a new car model, the 1st year generally has many flaws / defects and a huge list of complaints to follow. Much is corrected in the next version - next year model. It is no different with Video Cards. The 1st one out the door generally sucks and does not perform to expectations. There of late 2019 and now half way in 2020 (covid 19) that laptop manufacturers are pushing out numerous units with RTX 2060. OUCH! again! OUCH!  what a rip off and scam using the RTX 2060, really it is that bad of a graphics card. It causes low FPS, screen tearing, horizontal splits, artifacts, poor Ray Tracing, and even causes Windows to freeze/ lock up in which you need to reboot your PC. The nVidia RTX 2060 is a problem child to be avoided at all cost. Spend the extra cash for the RTX 2070 or RTX 2080 and again as cannot be stressed or said enough time is avoid the RTX 2060 at all cost and save yourself the grief. Actually, unless you are only playing games at 1080p and not 4k/1440p then best stay with GTX 1070, GTX 1080ti, GTX 1660ti. Otherwise if you want 4k/1440p for playing games and doing Video Editing/ Rendering then go with RTX 2070 or RTX 2080 (avoid the RTX 2060 if you have it get rid of it ASAP).