China to start officially rating its citizens, including behaviour online.

[popman]

 

The Chinese government enacted a plan to rate each and every citizen living in the country, last year.

However, there was little reaction to this in China or abroad. Until Rogier Creemers, China-specialist law scholar at Oxford university published a complete translation of the planning outline. (similar to bills, in democratic countries)

With loans and employment potentially being affected by your rating, the plan is intended to change peoples' behaviour and reward those who are seen to tow the line, both offline and online.

 

 

 

 

The Chinese government is currently implementing a nationwide electronic system, called the Social Credit System, attributing to each of its 1,3 billion citizens a score for his or her behavior. The system will be based on various criteria, ranging from financial credibility and criminal record to social media behavior. From 2020 onwards each adult citizen should, besides his identity card, have such a credit code.

 

 

The regulations were announced last year, but have attracted almost no attention thus far in China and abroad. This week Rogier Creemers, a Belgian China-specialist at Oxford University, published a comprehensive translation of the regulations regarding the Social Credit System, which clarifies the scope of the system. In an interview with Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant he says: 'With the help of the latest internet technologies the government wants to exercise individual surveillance'.

In his view this surveillance will have a wider scope than was the case under the former East German system: 'The German aim was limited to avoiding a revolt against the regime. The Chinese aim is far more ambitious: it is clearly an attempt to create a new citizen.'

The intentions of the new system are not only economical, fighting fraudulent practices, but also moral. 'This is a deliberate effort by the Chinese government to promote among its citizens "socialist core values" such as patriotism, respecting the elderly, working hard and avoiding extravagant consumption', says Creemers. A bad 'credit code' can result in being not eligible for certain jobs, housing or credit to start a company. 'On the labour market you might need a certain score to get a specific job.'

 

 

This is some terrifying stuff.

I suggest everyone read the whole article, and maybe skim the translated document if you're interested.

I went to extra effort to find it because this sounded too crazy to believe

 

 

Sources;

(article) http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/china-rates-its-own-citizens-including-online-behaviour~a3979668/

(translated document) https://chinacopyrightandmedia.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/planning-outline-for-the-construction-of-a-social-credit-system-2014-2020/

(official document) http://www.gov.cn/zhengce/content/2014-06/27/content_8913.htm

 

 

 

 

PS: I guess I just lost five internet points

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

With horror stories of bad behaviour of China citizens misbehaving overseas. I'm not surprised the Chinese government is going to do something.

But this may be a little extreme...  

[Dabombinable]

-snip

 

PS: I guess I just lost five internet points

I think you'll be fine.

[Opcode]

I'm not worried as it will never become a thing here 'Murica!

[slightlyjaded]

I gotta ask the question.....Is anyone surprised?  China is the most internet governed regime  on the planet. You still cannot find any results for tianimen square within that country. Is it any wonder that the internet traffic of a citizen is researched, stored, and actually referenced when the potential applicant has applied for a job.

 

The sad thing is that if any potential applicant has applied for a government job in the US, and thinks that their internet search history isn't fair game.......Yep, you're pretty naive.  America invented echelon.  Other countries just copied it.                             

[slightlyjaded]

I'm not worried as it will never become a thing here 'Murica!

Refer to above staement....

[Opcode]

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I hope you know none of the above things influence us here. The government keeping track of its citizens is different than profiling them for public use.

[Dabombinable]

Dumbass....Refer to above staement....

America has the NSA which actually does the same kind of spying as the Chinese government, except of course it took years to come out into the open. So yeah....

[Dabombinable]

I hope you know none of the above things influence us here.

You do realise that the US government is trying to do similar things covertly?

[Opcode]

You do realise that the US government is trying to do similar things covertly?

Under covers they already are although it will never reach this magnitude.

[Dabombinable]

Under covers they already are although it will never reach this magnitude.

Implanting microchips to track people after the Twin towers? Fine, I'll leave you to your denial then.

[Opcode]

Implanting microchips to track people after the Twin towers? Fine, I'll leave you to your denial then.

How does that even relate? That also will never become a thing among U.S. citizens.

[Dabombinable]

How does that even relate? That also will never become a thing among U.S. citizens.

The American government already tried to do it (luckily for all of you it failed at the time). And its a method of control, which is what the citizen rating program is.

[Opcode]

The American government already tried to do it (luckily for all of you it failed at the time). And its a method of control, which is what the citizen rating program is.

It will never become a thing. We have the power and as soon as they start pulling bullshit like that we'll push them out of office and establish our own new government (yes, this can be done has been done before). Unlike other countries our citizens (actual Americans) have a backbone and won't stand for extremes.

[slightlyjaded]

How does that even relate? That also will never become a thing among U.S. citizens.

America has had a covert program for the last 20 years called echelon.... yes that's actually public record, which is why I'm calling you a dumbass. It was a program to decrypt, and search emails for certain keywords. It was successful, and it involved certain tech companies around the globe, both willingly, and unwillingly. Tje literally, wrote source code for certain companies, so they could decrypt any email going through their servers. I'm not saying it still works today, but I'm not niave enough to believe that the american government shut down a successful program.

[Dabombinable]

It will never become a thing. We have the power and as soon as they start pulling bullshit like that we'll push them out of office and establish our own new government (yes, this can be done has been done before).

*sigh* I know its been done before but think about it, that's what was done when America separated from Britain, and its getting to the point that people are actually considering it, starting the cycle all over again. Democracy only lasts as long as the power of being in charge of a country doesn't corrupt those who lead.

[Opcode]

America has had a covert program for the last 20 years called echelon.... yes that's actually public record, which is why I'm calling you a dumbass. It was a program to decrypt, and search emails for certain keywords. It was successful, and it involved certain tech companies around the globe, both willingly, and unwillingly. Tje literally, wrote source code for certain companies, so they could decrypt any email going through their servers. I'm not saying it still works today, but I'm not niave enough to believe that the american government shut down a successful program.

I have a long blackhat background so trust me I know all about data collection. Although as stated before the information collected and used is of no scale as what is being implicated by this source. There's not one job where I live where they even give two shits about what you do online. There's also not one person who's going to turn down apartment rentals either as long as they see the rent each month. Let alone the government would never disclose such information from their own pool. Like I said this will never become a thing here so I would refrain from calling people names, tough guy.

[slightlyjaded]

I have a long blackhat background so trust me I know all about data collection. Although as stated before the information collected and used is of no scale as what is being implicated by this source. There's not one job where I live where they even give two shits about what you do online. There's also not one person who's going to turn down apartment rentals either as long as they see the rent each month. Let alone the government would never disclose such information from their own pool. Like I said this will never become a thing here so I would refrain from calling people names, tough guy.

Naive, yes. And no, I'm not a tough guy.... I merely find it a little ingenious that the land of the free, can use this data...(No never in court, but they can use it as an indication so that they can collect other data that is admissible). And still decry it's use in other countries. Get over it. China might be releasing it's data to it's citizens...Murica doesn't dare realease where it's getting it's "this guy is a terrorist" data for fear of civil libertarians. get over it. Murica is corrupt as china, it just doesn't have a captive population without outside sources of news, so it has to behave.

[slightlyjaded]

btw, Canada recently got nailed for an echelon style program. It's been widely available information that Australia has had one for the last 5 years, they just haven't been dumb enough to submit evidence gathered from it in court.

[The_Strict_Nein]

Would do, would do, would do, wouldn't do, from behind, with a bag on, wouldn't do, would do....

 

Oh, not that kinda rating?

[Opcode]

Naive, yes. And no, I'm not a tough guy.... I merely find it a little ingenious that the land of the free, can use this data...(No never in court, but they can use it as an indication so that they can collect other data that is admissible). And still decry it's use in other countries. Get over it. China might be releasing it's data to it's citizens...Murica doesn't dare realease where it's getting it's "this guy is a terrorist" data for fear of civil libertarians. get over it. Murica is corrupt as china, it just doesn't have a captive population without outside sources of news, so it has to behave.

You're not even from here let alone even have the slightest understanding. There are reasons behind it such as tipping off terrorists. We know they do it because they just like to keep track of everybody. Although the government would never disclose such information. Not because of any kind of liberties but because of integrity. Basically this is turning into more of a political debate which I don't want any part of.

[Phorlorn]

Nice logo you've got there, @popman

[Ohlyver]

I gotta ask the question.....Is anyone surprised? China is the most internet governed regime on the planet. You still cannot find any results for tianimen square within that country. Is it any wonder that the internet traffic of a citizen is researched, stored, and actually referenced when the potential applicant has applied for a job.

The sad thing is that if any potential applicant has applied for a government job in the US, and thinks that their internet search history isn't fair game.......Yep, you're pretty naive. America invented echelon. Other countries just copied it.

But would the gov employ someone with revolutionary tendencies rather than a "normal" guy?

Sure I think implemented the way they're planning to is a big return to the big gap between high and low rank society... Now they will get a wife based on their early life ratings..

Ooh and let's not talk about hacking and Mafia activities that will grow around the system.

[slightlyjaded]

You're not even from here let alone even have the slightest understanding. There are reasons behind it such as tipping off terrorists. We know they do it because they just like to keep track of everybody. Although the government would never disclose such information. Not because of any kind of liberties but because of integrity. Basically this is turning into more of a political debate which I don't want any part of.

Your call...

[slightlyjaded]

Well the fact that everything I tried posting got deleted, despite autosaving, and the cried of various goverments going "we don't monitor forum postings"....Yes it's OTT, but honestly. Does anyone actually expect their goverment to not monitor their internet traffic? The fact that they can't introduce such data in court doesn't stop them. they merely use such data as a introduction to deeper, more expensive data mining.

 

We can't use evidence A as part of tthis brief, but we can use it as part of our breach of certain civil liberties to gain evidence piece B....

 

I ask about naiviete, because every part of american civil liberities has been proven to be breached by American "blacksites" If Australian David Hicks is allowed to prosecute wrongful imprisonment, within the legal system. America's legal system will go bankrupt. The number of fuckups in guantanamo bay is monstromental. No due process. No legal process. which part of haebius corpus are you not understanding? Anybody involved can be tried under the geneva convention. Be damned to "I was just following orders"

 

Fricking morons.