Same Internet across 2 buildings? Help.

[orbofshingeki]

Hey guys. I'm a it guy at my local church. The pastor that owns the house next to it wants to use his Internet at the church so they don't have to get Internet for the church because of how much it would cost because it would technically would be a commercial building. Anyways the way we're doing it now is he has a Asus a66r router. I have a netgear extender at the church taking the wifi signal and extending it for the computers and devices in the church but it doesn't get a great signal because of the distance between the router and the extender and causes slow speeds. I'm wondering if there is a better way of getting Internet to the church than wifi? Thanks

[Critizin]

Since when does jesus need internet.


also this.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812400430CVF&cm_re=ethernet_cable-_-12-400-430CVF-_-Product

[FatPenguin]

Since when does jesus need internet.

jesus that need to put pictures on facebook of his visit to bethlehem 

[zlolslavez]

you could run an ethernet cord inbetween if the distance isn't too long.

[zlolslavez]

Since when does jesus need internet.

also this.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812400430CVF&cm_re=ethernet_cable-_-12-400-430CVF-_-Product

theres no way cat 5e can get 1000 ft.

[Critizin]

theres no way cat 5e can get 1000 ft.

Then go with 6...  probably doesnt even need to be 1000ft

[zlolslavez]

Then go with 6...  probably doesnt even need to be 1000ft

I'm pretty sure cat 6 is still limited to 100m, but that isn't small by any means and should get the job done in most cases, if it suppresses that, or about equals it I wouldn't bother with it (unless you want to get slightly longer cables and deal with slightly worse internet, but that is better than nothing.

[FatPenguin]

 this is so bad

[Enderman]

Are you sure this is legal in your area?

[Gung Pow Chicken]

Are you sure this is legal in your area?

I honestly don't see how this could be illegal anywhere in the United States, there is no law that say's you can share your Internet.

[wqesad523w]

Hurry! Get the redstone! I mean Ethernet.

[Gung Pow Chicken]

Or you could just buy a high gain antenna, add a password on the signal and just share it with your congregation. 

[mattblahmatt]

You will want some Cat 6 (thicker gauge, last longer, can also go just a bit further), a repeater, and a wireless AP. Run the cat6 from the house to the church, depending on the distance, you can get away with running Cat6 600 feet but rule of thumb is each run from the router should be no more than 100meters. If the distance is further than this you will need a repeater somewhere in the middle. in the church set up a wifi router as an Access point so it only provides wifi and uses the internet coming from the house over the cat 6.

[Pancake]

You can get some Ubuiquit airMax point to point solutions for pretty cheap, that would be my solution. 

 

https://www.ubnt.com/products/

 

Running a cable would be okay, but for the amount of time you will spend digging a trench etc it doesn't seem worth it 

[Atlantisman]

You can use Ubuiquit nano bridge equipment:

 

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0ED-0005-000H4&cm_re=nano_bridge-_-0ED-0005-000H4-_-Product

 

Or if the distance is less than 100m end-to-end use outdoor rated ethernet cable.

[dalekphalm]

theres no way cat 5e can get 1000 ft.

 

 

Then go with 6...  probably doesnt even need to be 1000ft

 

 

I'm pretty sure cat 6 is still limited to 100m, but that isn't small by any means and should get the job done in most cases, if it suppresses that, or about equals it I wouldn't bother with it (unless you want to get slightly longer cables and deal with slightly worse internet, but that is better than nothing.

 

@Critizin indeed, Cat 5, 5e, 6, 6a, and even 7, all have 100m (~330 feet) maximum cable runs for a segment. To extend it beyond this length, you'd need to use a switch, router, or repeater between cable lengths.

 

@orbofshingeki how far away are the two buildings? I'm guessing that you'll need to run more than 330 feet of cable. If so, your best bet would be getting a pair of Gigabit Fibre media converters - Something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833114104&cm_re=gigabit_fiber_converter-_-33-114-104-_-Product

or this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4SM26G7620&cm_re=gigabit_fiber_converter-_-9SIA4SM26G7620-_-Product

 

And then getting the necessary compatible Fibre cable (making sure to get the right connector and media type as specified by the media converter you end up buying). Gigabit Fibre can be run over 1km with the right type of cable and protocol used.

 

The tricky bit is finding the right type of cable that can be run long enough, plus finding a media converter that will support that cable.

 

In any case, whether the distance is short enough to run via Ethernet, or whether you need to go with Fibre, I'd suggest buying some PVC or Copper pipe, and running the cable inside the pipe. Ideally, you'd bury the pipe as well for additional protection and to keep it out of sight.

[Pancake]

@Critizin indeed, Cat 5, 5e, 6, 6a, and even 7, all have 100m (~330 feet) maximum cable runs for a segment. To extend it beyond this length, you'd need to use a switch, router, or repeater between cable lengths.

 

@orbofshingeki how far away are the two buildings? I'm guessing that you'll need to run more than 330 feet of cable. If so, your best bet would be getting a pair of Gigabit Fibre media converters - Something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833114104&cm_re=gigabit_fiber_converter-_-33-114-104-_-Product

or this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4SM26G7620&cm_re=gigabit_fiber_converter-_-9SIA4SM26G7620-_-Product

 

And then getting the necessary compatible Fibre cable (making sure to get the right connector and media type as specified by the media converter you end up buying). Gigabit Fibre can be run over 1km with the right type of cable and protocol used.

 

The tricky bit is finding the right type of cable that can be run long enough, plus finding a media converter that will support that cable.

 

In any case, whether the distance is short enough to run via Ethernet, or whether you need to go with Fibre, I'd suggest buying some PVC or Copper pipe, and running the cable inside the pipe. Ideally, you'd bury the pipe as well for additional protection and to keep it out of sight.

 

For those prices you can just get 2 x used 24 port switches with fiber. and cut out the converters and you have switches on both ends also. Fiber seems very expensive just to get a very low demand connection on the other end

[Darren]

Ubiquiti wireless link. A couple of the 5Ghz Nanostations would work quite nicely, assuming line of sight.

[dalekphalm]

For those prices you can just get 2 x used 24 port switches with fiber. and cut out the converters and you have switches on both ends also. Fiber seems very expensive just to get a very low demand connection on the other end

Indeed, getting a switch with a built-in Fibre converter may very well be the cheapest option. Especially if the OP is willing to look at used enterprise grade hardware from the likes of eBay, which can often be had for cheaper then new consumer grade entry level stuff.

 

Expensive, yes, but he's not happy with the current Wifi range extender option, and Ethernet is potentially not an option due to distance.

 

A directional Wifi transmitter and receiver may also be an option. @Darren, how is the range on those 5 GHz nanostations? The 5 GHz band has inherently shorter maximum distances compared to traditional 2.4 GHz - but the lack of interference from other wireless signals may make up for that.

[techguru]

directional antenna..I set this up for my uncle on his farm with his neighbours

[dalekphalm]

directional antenna..I set this up for my uncle on his farm with his neighbours

That's what I was thinking maybe if running Ethernet or Fibre is not feasible for one reason or another.

[Blebekblebek]

isn't much cheaper and convenience for long term if you just apply internet connection to the church?
 

and, idk... I've read somewhere that church is tax free.

 

all solutions been pointed out

but it will cost a bit, and not to mention regular monitoring

[Steven9595]

I'd definitely go with either the Ubiquiti airMax nanostations, they're pretty much perfect for this if you've got line of sight between the two points.

[Pancake]

Indeed, getting a switch with a built-in Fibre converter may very well be the cheapest option. Especially if the OP is willing to look at used enterprise grade hardware from the likes of eBay, which can often be had for cheaper then new consumer grade entry level stuff.

 

Expensive, yes, but he's not happy with the current Wifi range extender option, and Ethernet is potentially not an option due to distance.

 

A directional Wifi transmitter and receiver may also be an option. @Darren, how is the range on those 5 GHz nanostations? The 5 GHz band has inherently shorter maximum distances compared to traditional 2.4 GHz - but the lack of interference from other wireless signals may make up for that.

 

Not Darren, but they do up to 15Km

[Darren]

Indeed, getting a switch with a built-in Fibre converter may very well be the cheapest option. Especially if the OP is willing to look at used enterprise grade hardware from the likes of eBay, which can often be had for cheaper then new consumer grade entry level stuff.

 

Expensive, yes, but he's not happy with the current Wifi range extender option, and Ethernet is potentially not an option due to distance.

 

A directional Wifi transmitter and receiver may also be an option. @Darren, how is the range on those 5 GHz nanostations? The 5 GHz band has inherently shorter maximum distances compared to traditional 2.4 GHz - but the lack of interference from other wireless signals may make up for that.

 

I got 60Mbps through an 800 metre link. Anything over a couple kilometres I'd go for the Nanobeams.