Intel Core i9-9900K 8 Core/16 Thread CPU Listed For Preorder at 560 Euros, Core i7-9700K 8 Core/8 Thread For 440 Euro

[porina]

Given the 9600k is lower in position than a 8700k in HT, cache and turbo, I guess it isn't surprising they decided they didn't need to upgrade it to solder too.

[asus killer]

crazy Intel, not content with charging more to overclock or to have hyperthreading now you have to also pay more for solder IHS. Thank god for AMD.

[bowrilla]

3 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

 (Most of the things that could trigger it was probably got blocked by noscript and adblock .)

Noscript basically breaks half the internet unless you're constantly whitelisting websites. Not a good idea imho in the age of angular, react and vue based frontends. But I do agree: the biggest security factor (and risk) sits at the keyboard. Reusing credentials all over the internet and on machines itself with weak af passwords while complaining about Spectre & Co is quite irrational.

[jagdtigger]

27 minutes ago, bowrilla said:

Noscript basically breaks half the internet unless you're constantly whitelisting websites.

Which is the lazy devs fault who do not bother making proper websites.... And i would say its foolish to not to use it.

[bowrilla]

56 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Which is the lazy devs fault who do not bother making proper websites.... And i would say its foolish to not to use it.

Ehm ... no. This is just web and app development in 2018. If the alternative is HTML5 only stuff then you don't have a point. Progressive web apps with offline functionality, interaction, updates without reloading a page and so on would not be possible with HTML5 only. It's fair enough to block scripts originating from sources other than the domain you're visiting but blocking js in general doesn't give you much. In fact it's still possible to screw you over as demonstrated by researchers. It's actually more sensible imho to use your browser's private mode instead of blocking javascript - at least when visiting potentially dubious websites.

Concerning Spectre and Meltdown: it is possible that a malicious JS code executed in a browser's sandbox can make use of Intel's speculative execution technique and therefore gaining access of data stored by your browser outside of the sandbox (i.e. stored passwords). Just don't use your browser's feature to save passwords and keep your system updated. All browser developers came up with updates making Spectre attacks harder if not basically impossible by inducing jitter in their time measurement methods (both Spectre and Meltdown need precise timing information). Meltdown can't be exploited with JS code.

It is very much possible that Intel will fix those vulnerabilities with its 9th gen processors since it's a matter of memory address mapping in cache and clearing translation lookaside buffers when changing contexts and speculative code executions. It's not a complete change in architecture but a fix of it. It is possible and and actually was confirmed in March earlier this year by Intel's CEO in public statements. 

[TigerHawk]

3 hours ago, asus killer said:

crazy Intel, not content with charging more to overclock or to have hyperthreading now you have to also pay more for solder IHS. Thank god for AMD.

Clearly adding about 0.2 cents worth of solder to your CPU increases the price by 100 bucks, cmon now they have to make a profit.

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, TigerHawk said:

Clearly adding about 0.2 cents worth of solder to your CPU increases the price by 100 bucks, cmon now they have to make a profit.

2 more cores and the .2 cents of solder

[NumLock21]

i5 gets the toothpaste treatment...

[jagdtigger]

5 hours ago, bowrilla said:

Ehm ... no.

Yes it is, first you need to build up a base, without scripts style, etc without binding any function to things that got added later on.... If that works then you can add the eye candy. Any other approach is just half assed or straight up crappy/incompetent.

Edited August 29, 2018 by jagdtigger

[ATFink]

22 hours ago, MaktimS said:

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i5 9600K 240€   ≈  $250??

i7 9700K 350€   ≈  $350??
i9 9900K 450€   ≈  $450-500??
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1 US dollar = 0.854429 Euro = 21.994482 Czech Koruna

 

i9 9900K: 13990 Kč = $635.98 = 543.42 €

i7 9700K: 10990 Kč = $499.60 = 426.89 €
i5 9600K: 7490 Kč = $340.49 = 290.94 €

[MaktimS]

38 minutes ago, ATFink said:

i9 9900K: 13990 Kč = $635.98 = 543.42 €

i7 9700K: 10990 Kč = $499.60 = 426.89 €
i5 9600K: 7490 Kč = $340.49 = 290.94 €

As i said, price in CZK includes tax (VAT) which is 21%. So:

13 990/1,21 = 11 561CZK = 449EUR without tax

And so on and so on.

 

Also price in the US is usually lower, because there are no import duties or anything like that. For example take Ryzen 2700X. On Amazon.com it costs $320. However, on Amazon.de the price is 320€ = $375, so yeah. I think my prices do make some sense. You don't even know how much cheaper HW is in the US when compared to Europe or rest of the world. In the US RTX2080Ti costs $1200, but here? The price statrs at $1450 and some AIB cards cost up to $1700 and in some countries the price is even higher.

[AverageAfro]

This is a good come back at Ryzen. Its about 200 dollars more expensive but the 9900k is for sure going to out perform the 2700x if it can be OC'd all cores to over 4.2ghz. 

[Brooksie359]

4 hours ago, MaktimS said:

As i said, price in CZK includes tax (VAT) which is 21%. So:

13 990/1,21 = 11 561CZK = 449EUR without tax

And so on and so on.

 

Also price in the US is usually lower, because there are no import duties or anything like that. For example take Ryzen 2700X. On Amazon.com it costs $320. However, on Amazon.de the price is 320€ = $375, so yeah. I think my prices do make some sense. You don't even know how much cheaper HW is in the US when compared to Europe or rest of the world. In the US RTX2080Ti costs $1200, but here? The price statrs at $1450 and some AIB cards cost up to $1700 and in some countries the price is even higher.

But isn't tax preincluded in Europe? Meaning that 1450 is including tax? That would mean that if you take out taxes it would cost about the same. 

[MaktimS]

7 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

But isn't tax preincluded in Europe? Meaning that 1450 is including tax? That would mean that if you take out taxes it would cost about the same. 

Yes, that's true, you're right. I didn't think about it this way

[NumLock21]

An delided 9900K or 9700K, it's soldered.

 

[ATFink]

17 hours ago, MaktimS said:

As i said, price in CZK includes tax (VAT) which is 21%.

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I think my prices do make some sense.

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I didn't say your prices didn't make sense. I was just a little confused about why some of the Euro prices you posted had the Euro : US dollar ratio close to 1:1.

 

For example:

On 8/29/2018 at 3:47 AM, MaktimS said:

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i9 9900K 450€   ≈  $450-500??
...

The 21% VAT clears that up mostly. Really interesting that the retail price is so high in Europe though. Unfortunately that's just the way it is. I don't know enough about international trade to begin to comprehend why that's the case, so whatever I guess?

 

Thanks for the clarification and the news. Interesting to see that Intel is finally going to solder (some of) their CPUs.

[Okjoek]

Are there going to be non-K models?

[MaktimS]

3 hours ago, Okjoek said:

Are there going to be non-K models?

Yes, they'll probably arrive in Q1 2019 and they aren't going to be soldered I'd say

[Brooksie359]

16 hours ago, ATFink said:

I didn't say your prices didn't make sense. I was just a little confused about why some of the Euro prices you posted had the Euro : US dollar ratio close to 1:1.

 

For example:

The 21% VAT clears that up mostly. Really interesting that the retail price is so high in Europe though. Unfortunately that's just the way it is. I don't know enough about international trade to begin to comprehend why that's the case, so whatever I guess?

 

Thanks for the clarification and the news. Interesting to see that Intel is finally going to solder (some of) their CPUs.

Yeah if you look at prices between the us and Europe it usually ends up being pretty close to 1 to 1 sometimes even having the us price being cheaper.