It's on!!! (help me get started with building my new rig)

[sluz]

Hey guys

 

Like the title says, it's on, as in the whole ordeal/fun of researching and buying components for my new rig. So, here are the facts - I'm quite experienced in building my own rigs and I will do this whole build by myself (go get components, put them all in together, etc.), but here's where i need your help. My last complete pc overhaul was like 10y ago, and tho i changed quite a few components over the years (PSU, couple of GPUs, even combined some parts of the old GPU to another, etc) the core (MOBO, CPU, HDD, RAM) stayed the same, and they are still running today. And even tho my pc, that looks like a pirate ship, or a vehicle from mad max movies, still works, I'm getting tired of it and enough is enough. IT'S ON. Time has come to build everything from scratch. 

 

Alas i haven't been exactly following the trends over the years and what's been happening in the tech world (I still know some things), but I'd appreciate if you could give me some info like, is now a good time to buy components (high costs of RAM, and GPU cause of mining), or should i wait for something coming out soon (i.e ddr5), etc. etc. Any info is appreciated, really.

To be clear, I'm not asking you to give me a build and do my research instead of me, but like i said, give me some guidelines. The budget for the build is around 1500$ (1250E), give or take, it's not set in stone.

Also I'm leaning towards Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs but I'm open for discussion.

 

EDIT: forgot to say, the pc will be used for gaming, coding (Android Studio, IntelliJ IDEA, etc.) and normal everyday use... nothing fancy like video editing etc. Mind you that my normal everyday use is having ffox/chrome with 30+ tabs opened at all times minimum, and a stream or something on my second monitor while I game. Was thinking of going 32gb RAM cause of that, but the prices are waaaay too high for something like that, so I think I can live with 16gb. Also I probably don't even need a HDD at all, since I don't keep pictures or download movies...

 

Thanks guys

[Jurrunio]

RAM is costly compared to the past, but it doesnt seem like it will ever drop. Just buy DDR4 now, DDR5 is still years away.

 

New graphics cards from Nvidia should come in the next month or two. Of course the price will be sky high, and you will need to wait till about the end of the year to get a decent deal. AMD's Radeon department seems to be practising 7nm production by shrinking Vega to 7nm. No news on whether it will come as a product, so let's say nothing new will come from AMD's graphics department in Q2 and Q3.

 

For CPU, Intel has launched all Coffee Lake CPUs desktop builders should care. Mid range stuff in AMD's Ryzen 2000 series is also out. If you plan on using Ryzen, make sure you use dual channel kits of high frequency (2800-3000) because Ryzen is sensitive to memory frequency. It's a disaster when it doesnt get enough of it, like using a single 2133MHz stick.

[Taf the Ghost]

What do you need it to do?

[Allupyourfinger]

Component	Name	UK Price	UK Supplier	US Price	US Supplier
CPU:	Intel Core i5-8400	£159	Overclockers.co.uk	$180	Amazon.com
Motherboard:	ASRock Z370 Pro4	£99	Overclockers.co.uk	$130	Amazon.com
RAM:	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz	£183	Amazon.co.uk	$203	Amazon.com
Graphics card:	GeForce GTX 1060 6GB	£340	Overclockers.co.uk	$350	Amazon.com
SSD:	Crucial MX500 Evo 500GB	£111	Scan.co.uk	$130	Amazon.com
HDD:	WD Blue 1TB HDD	£38	Amazon.co.uk	$47	Amazon.com
Power Supply:	Corsair CX650	£69	Overclockers.co.uk	$65	Amazon.com
Case:	NZXT S340	£66	Amazon.co.uk	$70	Newegg.com
Cooler:	Included with CPU	£0		$0
Software:	Windows 10	£120	Microsoft.com	$120	Amazon.com
	Total:         If you don't need a copy of Windows than upgrade the GPU to GTX 1070, Also since its a little below your budget you can upgrade some of the other parts	£1,185		$1,295

[GrockleTD]

1 hour ago, Allupyourfinger said:

Component	Name	UK Price	UK Supplier	US Price	US Supplier
CPU:	Intel Core i5-8400	£159	Overclockers.co.uk	$180	Amazon.com
Motherboard:	ASRock Z370 Pro4	£99	Overclockers.co.uk	$130	Amazon.com
RAM:	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz	£183	Amazon.co.uk	$203	Amazon.com
Graphics card:	GeForce GTX 1060 6GB	£340	Overclockers.co.uk	$350	Amazon.com
SSD:	Crucial MX500 Evo 500GB	£111	Scan.co.uk	$130	Amazon.com
HDD:	WD Blue 1TB HDD	£38	Amazon.co.uk	$47	Amazon.com
Power Supply:	Corsair CX650	£69	Overclockers.co.uk	$65	Amazon.com
Case:	NZXT S340	£66	Amazon.co.uk	$70	Newegg.com
Cooler:	Included with CPU	£0		$0
Software:	Windows 10	£120	Microsoft.com	$120	Amazon.com
	Total:         If you don't need a copy of Windows than upgrade the GPU to GTX 1070, Also since its a little below your budget you can upgrade some of the other parts	£1,185		$1,295

the OP specifically said not to do that.

[GoldenLag]

DDR5 is i think 2021 after the last CPU on the AM4 AMD plattform. 

 

What is the purpose of the pc? (gaming, videoediting etc)

Do you need HDDs? Do you have an SSD for a bootdrive?

Also location

[GrockleTD]

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

DDR5 is i think 2021 after the last CPU on the AM4 AMD plattform. 

 

What is the purpose of the pc? (gaming, videoediting etc)

Do you need HDDs? Do you have an SSD for a bootdrive?

Also location

i believe they are located in either the US or the Eurozone.

[GoldenLag]

Generally speaking Nvidia is the way to go in terms of GPUs as AMD is inflated at every pricepoint with their current lineup. When it comes to CPUs; Intel rules in pure gaming, meanwhile AMD takes the cake in workloads like photoediting, streaming and other core heavy workloads. The gaming gap between them have been lowered with Ryzen 2, but it is still there.

 

Usually its Ryzen 5 2600/2600x vs core I5 8400/8600K and Ryzen 7 2700/2700x vs 8700K

[sluz]

Hey guys, thanks for the quick replies. I will check the things you posted in more detail but I edited the topic as most of you mentioned that i forgot to say what will I use the pc for. I'm in EU (Croatia, to be exact)...

 

28 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

have you read about Ryzen before?

I have, and tbh it seems like its too pricey for what I could get in older generations of Intel, I also might be wrong here, cause I haven't checked it for quite some time.

 

the OP specifically said not to do that.

It's ok, that kind of info also helps, but I'll definitely look and explore a bit further and deeper than just buying components from a single list.

[GrockleTD]

1 hour ago, sluz said:

Hey guys, thanks for the quick replies. I will check the things you posted in more detail but I edited the topic as most of you mentioned that i forgot to say what will I use the pc for. I'm in EU (Croatia, to be exact)...

 

I have, and tbh it seems like its too pricey for what I could get in older generations of Intel, I also might be wrong here, cause I haven't checked it for quite some time.

so i think a starting point for this build is a 240GB sata ssd and maybe a 500GB hard drive?

[sluz]

6 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

so i think a starting point for this build is a 240GB sata ssd and maybe a 500GB hard drive?

yeah probably 240 gb sata, and i guess a cheap hdd, or i can even put my old hdd in. i really dont have my 320gb hdd filled up now... or i dont even need a hdd...

[GrockleTD]

1 hour ago, sluz said:

yeah probably 240 gb sata, and i guess a cheap hdd, or i can even put my old hdd in. i really dont have my 320gb hdd filled up now...

nah. i would go ahead and replace your current hdd now seeing as how it is probably going out.

[GoldenLag]

9 minutes ago, sluz said:

tbh it seems like its too pricey for what I could get in older generations of Intel

Generally speaking Ryzen offers more cores per dollar at each pricetier since the launch of Ryzen. 

 

Are you considering used parts in this new build or only new parts?

 

Also just pick up a 1-4 TB hardrive for this new build. 320 GB doesnt cut it anymore

[sluz]

1 hour ago, Grockle88 said:

nah. i would go ahead and replace your current hdd now seeing as how it is probably going out.

problem with my old pc is a bit more complicated, mobo loses OC and other settings, due to some CMOS weird things happening every now and then, so i leave it on default (OC works fine tho). GPU has some weird voltages problems when switching 2d / 3d rendering or something, cant actually go into detail about that since that problem is far far above my knowledge, but that series of gpu has been known to have voltage problems. so hdd and cpu are working pretty fine, but i want new fresh components after all these years

[GrockleTD]

1 hour ago, sluz said:

problem with my old pc is a bit more complicated, mobo loses OC and other settings, due to some CMOS weird things happening every now and then, so i leave it on default (OC works fine tho). GPU's has some weird voltages problems when switching 2d 3d rendering or something, cant actually go into detail about that since that problem is far far above my knowledge, but that series of gpu has problems. so hdd and cpu are working pretty fine, but i want new fresh components after all these years

ok i was just suggesting.

[junzhi2002]

31 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Generally speaking Nvidia is the way to go in terms of GPUs as AMD is inflated at every pricepoint with their current lineup. When it comes to CPUs; Intel rules in pure gaming, meanwhile AMD takes the cake in workloads like photoediting, streaming and other core heavy workloads. The gaming gap between them have been lowered with Ryzen 2, but it is still there.

 

Usually its Ryzen 5 2600/2600x vs core I5 8400/8600K and Ryzen 7 2700/2700x vs 8700K

May I ask what shows that Intel only win in pure gaming  (Budget?)

[Crunchy Dragon]

-Moved to New Builds and Planning-

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, junzhi2002 said:

May I ask what shows that Intel only win in pure gaming  (Budget?)

Generally speaking. There are certainly cases where intel kicks AMD in productivity. Per budget it is mostly down to workloads 

I will reffer you to here for my claims.

Hw reviewers often say the 8700k is still the king in gaming meanwhile Ryzen edges out im productivity(core heavy workloads)

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3287-amd-r7-2700-and-2700x-review-game-streaming-cpu-benchmarks-memory/page-2

[sluz]

16 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

Generally speaking Ryzen offers more cores per dollar at each pricetier since the launch of Ryzen. 

 

Are you considering used parts in this new build or only new parts?

 

Also just pick up a 1-4 TB hardrive for this new build. 320 GB doesnt cut it anymore

yes, im considering used parts, but to be quite honest i was always afraid of that option. i know if you get lucky enough you can get some crazy cheap things that will last for years... whats the general opinion on getting used parts? also which components, if i decide to take spare parts, should i avoid, and which ones are easily tested...

[GoldenLag]

21 minutes ago, sluz said:

yes, im considering used parts, but to be quite honest i was always afraid of that option. i know if you get lucky enough you can get some crazy cheap things that will last for years... whats the general opinion on getting used parts? also which components, if i decide to take spare parts, should i avoid, and which ones are easily tested...

Used parts are a great way of putting a build together. HDD i would say are low risk purshases providing it newly formated(low loss if failure).

 

There were some Samsung EVO drives that an issue that lead many to hink they died. There was an easy fix by power cycling it for about 20 min. If you find a "broken" EVO drive you could do a wager to see if you can get an SSD on the cheap (this was a while ago, therefore there are few left)

 

In terms of used GPUs you could look at the R9 290x or the GTX 780ti. They are quite similar to the GTx 1060 6GB in terms of performance. (Power consumption is quite a bit higher)

 

In terms of CPU you might find some 6700K/7700K for a decent price as people are upgrading to current gen Ryzen or Coffeelake. You might also find some AMD fanatics dropping their gen 1 Ryzen for Gen 2 Ryzen. If you are picking up Ryzen however i recommend grabbing a new X470 board unless what you find is a high end X370. 

 

There are some drawbacks of grabbing older GPUs as the feature support just isnt there anymore. In terms of CPU i would go too low as 6 Core is now becoming mainstream and 4 Cores will start to show their age in comming years(speculation based on current situation)

[sluz]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Used parts are a great way of putting a build together. HDD i would say are low risk purshases providing it newly formated(low loss if failure).

 

There were some Samsung EVO drives that an issue that lead many to hink they died. There was an easy fix by power cycling it for about 20 min. If you find a "broken" EVO drive you could do a wager to see if you can get an SSD on the cheap (this was a while ago, therefore there are few left)

 

In terms of used GPUs you could look at the R9 290x or the GTX 780ti. They are quite similar to the GTx 1060 6GB in terms of performance. (Power consumption is quite a bit higher)

 

In terms of CPU you might find some 6700K/7700K for a decent price as people are upgrading to current gen Ryzen or Coffeelake. You might also find some AMD fanatics dropping their gen 1 Ryzen for Gen 2 Ryzen. If you are picking up Ryzen however i recommend grabbing a new X470 board unless what you find is a high end X370. 

 

There are some drawbacks of grabbing older GPUs as the feature support just isnt there anymore. In terms of CPU i would go too low as 6 Core is now becoming mainstream and 4 Cores will start to show their age in comming years(speculation based on current situation)

i thought about used cpu, and since i never really had problems with cpus they seem durable enough and could be a safe purchase. also hdds. im quite reluctant about used gpus but then again, where i live and probably worldwide, couple of months ago there was a huge craze about mining, and i think lots of people that purchased really good gpus are now over with their "adventures" and they are selling spare parts. if lucky enough i think i could get a cheaper newer gpu, but then again how much cheaper is good enough to gamble with spare parts...

 

ill definitely check more about ryzen, as i never had amd cpu before i dont know almost anything about them.

also whats with the more cores? arent games today poorly optimized for using multiple cores? does the number of cores really matter that much?

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, sluz said:

also whats with the more cores? arent games today poorly optimized for using multiple cores? does the number of cores really matter that much?

AMD cores have lower clockspeed and also a bit lower IPC atm (improved with gen 2 Ryzen). Multiple core utilization in games isnt that high atm, but is expected to become the norm in comming years. Only High refreshrate gaming is restricted by CPU atm. Gaming experience in games at 1440p are nearly identical with Intel and AMD. Generally if you have the budget you want 6 or more cores to stay safe in the future. 

[sluz]

2 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

AMD cores have lower clockspeed and also a bit lower IPC atm (improved with gen 2 Ryzen). Multiple core utilization in games isnt that high atm, but is expected to become the norm in comming years. Only High refreshrate gaming is restricted by CPU atm. Gaming experience in games at 1440p are nearly identical with Intel and AMD. Generally if you have the budget you want 6 or more cores to stay safe in the future. 

well ill definitely have to also take this in consideration, i.e. how long do i plan to use this build.

since ddr5 is commercially coming in couple of years, and now i've read that gddr6 is on the way too (also probably a couple of years), maybe i should go for something moderate now, and then rebuild a new pc when the new technology comes. ok, i understand that gddr6 gpus will be probably compatible with todays stuff, but i mean, i wouldnt want to invest in a cpu that will be good for like 3 to 5 years down the road, but then have to switch it cause it isnt compatible with then current technology.

also since games now arent that optimized for more cores, like youve said, maybe the best thing would be to go for a few years old (new one) cpu that was high end at the time it was released, which i could maybe get at lower price, but still get great performance in todays games. do note that i dont play that demanding games, but ofc, when i build a solid pc i will probably try lots of stuff...

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, sluz said:

how long do i plan to use this build. since ddr5 is commercially coming in couple of years

i can guess you can avoid DDR5 around 3-4 years after its launch by going for something like (as an example) 2600 today and 16 GB of DDR4 3200 mhz. then at the end of DDR4 and the last AM4 CPU you can grab a new CPU without swapping RAM and still be good for a long while. This would be the same with 6700K, 7700K and coffelake. only difference between intel and AMD in this regard is that AMD it isnt a necesity to swap mobo (but you might end up doing it anyway due to featureset. X470 boards should still be goo in 2021). AM4 will be dead in 2021 therefore there are few reasons to grab a new board

[sluz]

hey guys, here's a quick update

 

while i still havent decided yet (as i have lots of research to do) if im going for intel or amd cpu wise, or even nvidia/ati (this one im almost sure ill go nvidia, but still want to read about radeon a bit), i have started to get a general picture of what i can expect from this build, and rule out things like 1080ti cause its simply too expensive. with that in mind what price ratios per component should i go for? i know it will vary but im interested in approx ranges.

so i was thinking (without checking the prices too much) of going like:

• gpu 500$
• cpu  250$
• ram 200$
• ssd 150$
• mobo 150$
• psu 150$
• rest whatever is left will go into coolers, hdd and then casing, in that order (for all i care i can build components in a shoebox or a drawer...)

this ofc isnt the final price/componet but i dont wanna create bottlenecks so i can allocate more or less money for whatever is needed. also it depends on what is currently available at my local stores, etc.