Apple iphone SE 2 leaked

[suicidalfranco]

4 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

The SE. I feel like i'm missing something . . .

 

That video is a joke. 

everything is a joke...

Spoiler

when anything Apple makes doesn't take first place

 

[AlTech]

7 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

4" is the target size for the SE. It is what makes it special. 

 

Cheap

Now if only Apple made a cheap ish full sized iPhone .

 

I'd be happy paying $400 USD ish for a 5" ish ot 6" ish iPhone.

[Nicnac]

4 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

clearly becoming a bottleneck, and that's with 3GB

I don't get that "Test"

surely you can flood any device's ram by opening more and more apps/ programs but which (power) user would play multiple games at once, and export videos while doing that? lmao.

The much faster processor makes up for that by loading apps considerably faster. But yea, either way this is not showing that ram size is becoming an issue for now. In the far future it will probably but that's just how things go.

[Curufinwe_wins]

I think being a small phone, and having a low screen to body size ratio is kind of a double whammy of unfortunateness, and if anything, the smaller the overall device is the more important small bezels are.

 

But this should of course be a nice entry device.

[kokakolia]

7 hours ago, mrchow19910319 said:

i have been using my SE for almost a year... and I am starting to noticed that the battery life i am getting is lesser and lesser. 

 

and i am not even a heavy user in any way.... ahhhhhh apple please make your phone last longer. 

You should really consider Apple’s $30 battery replacement program. France fought for this to happen, you know. 

[79wjd]

9 hours ago, Shadestones said:

My battery is starting to wear down a little too much. Have to charge twice a day with my usage

I don't really need extreme processing power or anything, I have other devices for that. I mostly just browse the web on my phone.

Well, the SE probably won't alleviate any battery issues due to having such a small battery....so

7 hours ago, mrchow19910319 said:

i have been using my SE for almost a year... and I am starting to noticed that the battery life i am getting is lesser and lesser. 

 

and i am not even a heavy user in any way.... ahhhhhh apple please make your phone last longer. 

That's interesting, I didn't notice any meaningful battery degredation on my 5s, even after four years of use (although my mom's battery was competely shot during the same use period, however she did leave it plugged into the charger whenever she wasn't out of the house).

[Sauron]

11 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Really easy to predict what is going to change. 

 

A10 or better

2GB of RAM

12MP camera 

no headphone jack

Glass back for wireless charging (aesthetic af)

 

What I would like to see is 3D Touch and a Haptic Engine inside the SE 2. 

What's the excuse for losing the jack if the phone isn't thinner?

[79wjd]

24 minutes ago, Sauron said:

What's the excuse for losing the jack if the phone isn't thinner?

Thinner wasnt the excuse for the 7 -- it was thicker than the 6s if I'm not mistaken. It was about making room for the taptic engine.

[Sauron]

5 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Thinner wasnt the excuse for the 7 -- it was thicker than the 6s if I'm not mistaken. It was about making room for the taptic engine.

It's the same thing, they didn't have space for the taptic engine because the phone was too thin. It was only marginally thicker than the 6s.

[Curufinwe_wins]

21 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It's the same thing, they didn't have space for the taptic engine because the phone was too thin. It was only marginally thicker than the 6s.

This is a lie. There is still room. The "baryometric vent" takes up even more volume than the headphone jack and the jack can still fit in if they can at least match Samsung in space efficiency for the plug [the daughterboard depth of the samsung headphone jack is shorter than the depth taken up by the baryometric vent].

 

The only excuse was that they wanted to remove it and thus did. 

[Tieox]

Needs RGB.

[Sauron]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

This is a lie. There is still room. The "baryometric vent" takes up even more volume than the headphone jack and the jack can still fit in if they can at least match Samsung in space efficiency for the plug [the daughterboard depth of the samsung headphone jack is shorter than the depth taken up by the baryometric vent].

 

The only excuse was that they wanted to remove it and thus did. 

I'm talking about the excuse they gave, I know it's bull. In my previous post I was wondering what excuse they'd make up this time since thinness isn't a factor.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Just now, Sauron said:

I'm talking about the excuse they gave, I know it's bull. In my previous post I was wondering what excuse they'd make up this time since thinness isn't a factor.

Ok cool. 

 

Well "courage".

[cflanders]

12 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Leaked video shows what appears to be the upcoming Apple iPhone SE 2. The phone seems to have used the design of their older models like the Iphone 4/5 instead of the newer ones like iPhone 7.

 

 

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/4/26/17284852/apple-iphone-se-2-rumors-2018

I find it extremely hard to believe that this is real given how easy it is to find a shell similar to this. I have found what seems to be the exact same shell before. 

[DrMacintosh]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

What's the excuse for losing the jack if the phone isn't thinner?

The reason they removed it was because of internal volume, not thinness. 

[Ryujin2003]

Well considering the previous article about price, the SE was definitely cheaper during iPhone 6. My got the 6SE for about 250 less than the regular iPhone 6. So if the X was expensive, make a cheaper SE variant today utilizes most of the same hardware (so it doesn't become surplus), and you might get more butters buyers.

[Zodiark1593]

2 hours ago, kokakolia said:

You should really consider Apple’s $30 battery replacement program. France fought for this to happen, you know. 

This is kind of the fatal flaw of the SE. The tiny battery really doesn't take much to degrade by a noticeable degree. Even if the average power consumption isn't high, the peaks probably wreak some havok over time.

 

2 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

Well, the SE probably won't alleviate any battery issues due to having such a small battery....so

That's interesting, I didn't notice any meaningful battery degredation on my 5s, even after four years of use (although my mom's battery was competely shot during the same use period, however she did leave it plugged into the charger whenever she wasn't out of the house).

The 5S was also clocked a lot less aggressively. Even on 28nm, the peaks in power consumption probably aren't nearly as high.

 

Of course, this is just a guess that should be taken with salt to suit taste.

 

[Whiskers]

10 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

This is kind of the fatal flaw of the SE. The tiny battery really doesn't take much to degrade by a noticeable degree. Even if the average power consumption isn't high, the peaks probably wreak some havok over time.

 

What degrades the battery (for the most part) is charge cycles, and the SE doesn’t go through cycles significantly faster than the other devices. In spite of the smaller battery it actually has typically better battery life than the standard 6 or 6S model, owing to smaller power demands (smaller and lower resolution screen, no 3D Touch etc).

 

Interestingly I’ve noticed significantly more users of the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6S and 6S plus suffering from battery degradation. I’m almost positive that Apple started using significantly lower quality Li-Ion batteries from the 6 onwards - my 7 Plus has already lost 12% of charge capacity with around 250 cycles which is a concerningly rapid deterioration in my opinion. Most reports of charge potential I’ve seen on the SE are still in the high 80 to high 90 percent range, which is decent. And also slightly angers me when phones that are a full year older than mine still hold more of their charge.

[Sfekke]

13 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

A10 or better

2GB of RAM

12MP camera 

no headphone jack

Glass back for wireless charging (aesthetic af)

All of that would be a good upgrade, expect that glass back.

For some reason it always makes it feel like a fragile toy in my hands.

I prefer a solid metal back, like the old iPhone's/iPod's had.

But indeed easy enough to predict

Not sure if that is something to call "Good" 

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Whiskers said:

 

What degrades the battery (for the most part) is charge cycles, and the SE doesn’t go through cycles significantly faster than the other devices. In spite of the smaller battery it actually has typically better battery life than the standard 6 or 6S model, owing to smaller power demands (smaller and lower resolution screen, no 3D Touch etc).

 

Interestingly I’ve noticed significantly more users of the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6S and 6S plus suffering from battery degradation. I’m almost positive that Apple started using significantly lower quality Li-Ion batteries from the 6 onwards - my 7 Plus has already lost 12% of charge capacity with around 250 cycles which is a concerningly rapid deterioration in my opinion. Most reports of charge potential I’ve seen on the SE are still in the high 80 to high 90 percent range, which is decent. And also slightly angers me when phones that are a full year older than mine still hold more of their charge.

That's interesting, my 6s plus, with probably around 600 cycles is still at like 95%+ capacity if I remember correctly.

[Zodiark1593]

27 minutes ago, Whiskers said:

 

What degrades the battery (for the most part) is charge cycles, and the SE doesn’t go through cycles significantly faster than the other devices. In spite of the smaller battery it actually has typically better battery life than the standard 6 or 6S model, owing to smaller power demands (smaller and lower resolution screen, no 3D Touch etc).

 

Interestingly I’ve noticed significantly more users of the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6S and 6S plus suffering from battery degradation. I’m almost positive that Apple started using significantly lower quality Li-Ion batteries from the 6 onwards - my 7 Plus has already lost 12% of charge capacity with around 250 cycles which is a concerningly rapid deterioration in my opinion. Most reports of charge potential I’ve seen on the SE are still in the high 80 to high 90 percent range, which is decent. And also slightly angers me when phones that are a full year older than mine still hold more of their charge.

Im my experience with RC, high discharge rates also degrade a lithium battery quite rapidly. Though, I'm not sure if this translates to smartphones (or even the iPhone) as RC batteries tend to see 20C+ discharge rates, while the average discharge rate for a phone battery would be less than 1C.

 

I'm not quite sure of the peculiarities between RC vs smartphone batteries. It would be reasonable to assume that at ~2k mAh, a battery of a 1-2c discharge rate (2-4 amps) will be sufficient to power a smartphone with room to spare. Voltage sag is also a factor here too. When amp loads are pushing close to the limits (C rating x Ah capacity = maximum amp output), voltage will drop by a noticeable degree. In rc batteries, I've observed as much as a 1 volt drop under maximum load.

 

Again though, not sure if the iPhone is so hard on the batteries that this becomes a real factor, and most smartphone batteries rarely, if ever list a C-rating, so this is an unknown factor.

 

The battery in the 6S isn't appreciably bigger than in the SE. 1624 mAh in the SE vs the 1715 mAh battery in the 6S.

[kokakolia]

1 hour ago, Whiskers said:

 

What degrades the battery (for the most part) is charge cycles, and the SE doesn’t go through cycles significantly faster than the other devices. In spite of the smaller battery it actually has typically better battery life than the standard 6 or 6S model, owing to smaller power demands (smaller and lower resolution screen, no 3D Touch etc).

 

Interestingly I’ve noticed significantly more users of the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6S and 6S plus suffering from battery degradation. I’m almost positive that Apple started using significantly lower quality Li-Ion batteries from the 6 onwards - my 7 Plus has already lost 12% of charge capacity with around 250 cycles which is a concerningly rapid deterioration in my opinion. Most reports of charge potential I’ve seen on the SE are still in the high 80 to high 90 percent range, which is decent. And also slightly angers me when phones that are a full year older than mine still hold more of their charge.

Yikes! And my iPhone 7 that can't possibly be more than ~1 year old has an 86% max charge capacity. 

[Salv8 (sam)]

15 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

What I would like to see is 3D Touch and a Haptic Engine inside the SE 2. 

apple is getting rid of 3D touch apparently

https://www.cnet.com/news/a-new-apple-iphone-may-not-have-3d-touch/

(if you want more proof, google "apple 3d touch discontinued" and check the amount of pages google turns up)

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, Salv8 (sam) said:

apple is getting rid of 3D touch apparently

https://www.cnet.com/news/a-new-apple-iphone-may-not-have-3d-touch/

(if you want more proof, google "apple 3d touch discontinued" and check the amount of pages google turns up)

That is not proof. 

 3D Touch is not going anywhere.

 

[dizmo]

I think this would make an awesome travel phone, cheap, should have a good camera, small, and I wouldn't really care if it were damaged or lost. Hopefully they add water resistance, that'd really make it a great device; though I have a feeling they won't. Which would leave the XZ1 Compact as the better device.

Do they have Here Maps for iOs?

 

18 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

4" is the target size for the SE. It is what makes it special. 

 

Cheap, and small, very lucrative market surprisingly. 

You can still have a tall display in the same size form factor. You'd just have to relocate the fingerprint sensor, which is probably more design work then they're willing to put in.

3 hours ago, Zodiark1593 said:

The battery in the 6S isn't appreciably bigger than in the SE. 1624 mAh in the SE vs the 1715 mAh battery in the 6S.

I find that...pathetic.