Ryzen 3 2200GE and Ryzen 5 2400GE Spotted - Ultra Low Power Desktop Ryzen VEGA APUs Coming Soon

[AlTech]

AMD is readying the Ryzen 3 2200GE and Ryzen 5 2400GE APUs for release soon. These new APUs allegedly have a lower 35w TDP versus the recently released 65w TDP APUs. This is allegedly primarily achieved through lower clockspeeds.

 

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AMD is preparing to release low-power versions of its Ryzen APUs with built-in Radeon Vega graphics. The new Ryzen 3 2200GE and Ryzen 5 2400GE chips will have a 35 W TDP and will operate at lower frequencies when compared to the Ryzen 3 2200G and the Ryzen 5 2400G that hit the market this week. ASUS has already added support for the new energy-efficient APUs to BIOS of one of its AM4 motherboards, so the actual launch is imminent

 

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Images from Anandtech.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the 2200GE and 2400GE turn out more expensive than the standard Ryzen G 2000 series equivalents.

 

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The 35W Ryzen APUs will enable AMD to compete for OEM SFF and ultra-slim Mini-ITX DIY builds (previous-gen Bristol Ridge chips were hardly attractive for enthusiasts), which will help the company to further increase its market share.

AMD did not comment on the news story because the Ryzen 3 2200GE and the Ryzen 5 2400GE have not been announced, so we cannot fill the gaps when it comes to specs and prices of the new APUs.

 

Cool. The naming scheme seems a tad bit more confusing than it probably should be but oh well. Mind you, I don't exactly know who was asking for a 35w Ryzen APU. Possibly for HTPC builds or SFF but otherwise it seems a tad silly.

 

Source:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12428/amd-readies-ryzen-3-2200ge-ryzen-5-2400ge-apus-with-reduced-tdp

[TVwazhere]

SKU's for Laptops? 

[AlTech]

Just now, TVwazhere said:

SKU's for Laptops? 

Nope. These are 100% desktop APUs.

[Guest]

These would be great in those socketed laptops, though I'm curious what the turbos will be like. If high than hey, they could work like stock G series provided cooling is adequate. Now if only I could get these on a nano-itx board, yep never happening.

 

Anyone know if AMD is still using the same policy of all SKUs being overclockable for the G lineup?

Edited February 14, 2018 by Guest
pico -> nano

[TVwazhere]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Nope. These are 100% desktop APUs.

Probably would make a nice splash int he Laptop market though, dont you think?

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, tjcater said:

These would be great in those socketed laptops, though I'm curious what the turbos will be like. If high than hey, they could work like stock G series provided cooling is adequate. Now if only I could get these on a pico-itx board, yep never happening.

 

Anyone know if AMD is still using the same policy of all SKUs being overclockable for the G lineup?

Yup. The TDP headroom barely allows overclocking but AMD permits it.

[AlTech]

Just now, TVwazhere said:

Probably would make a nice splash int he Laptop market though, dont you think?

Nah. I'd personally prefer to have dedictated 45w TDP APUs for laptops in addition to the current 15w APUs.

 

It should be noted that the current laptop APUs can run at a cTDP of 25w allowing for higher clockspeeds if OEMs want to.

[Okjoek]

Sounds great. I wonder if there enthusiasts out there who would be willing to create their own laptops. That sounds like a fun project, even if they ended up being up to a few inches thick.

[mynameisjuan]

I dont understand the point of these. As far as I can tell they are just underclocked variants with no other differences. So how does this prevent someone just saving some bucks and overclocking it to non-GE speeds? Maybe these chips are just bad binned ones that cant clock that high? 

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, mynameisjuan said:

I dont understand the point of these. As far as I can tell they are just underclocked variants with no other differences. So how does this prevent someone just saving some bucks and overclocking it to non-GE speeds? Maybe these chips are just bad binned ones that cant clock that high? 

The TDP is fixed and can't be adjusted. Also, chips like these wouldn't be cheaper than the normal ones afaik.

[Doobeedoo]

Hmm interesting addition to the APU lineup.

Also I wonder about potential Ryzen 7 APU that may be with like way more Vega CUs.

[AlTech]

9 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Hmm interesting addition to the APU lineup.

Also I wonder about potential Ryzen 7 APU that may be with like way more Vega CUs.

AMD have said that no Ryzen 7 APUs are planned at this time.

 

It's because they've effectively run out of die space. 11 VEGA CUs roughly takes up the space of a single CCX. Thus the 4 + 0 Core arrangement.

[Doobeedoo]

4 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

AMD have said that no Ryzen 7 APUs are planned at this time.

 

It's because they've effectively run out of die space. 11 VEGA CUs roughly takes up the space of a single CCX. Thus the 4 + 0 Core arrangement.

Yeah I know all that, it would need to be quite bigger for more CUs to fit. What I meant is, they can definitely do it, just need to work on it, current ones being the initial wave of what you'd expect of these APUs though.

[Trixanity]

I think these will come to laptops too - eventually that is. AMD has a huge gaping hole in their laptop segment. There is no reason these chips can't be put into a laptop. It's all about packaging.

 

For desktop, these will be nice for the low power server segment as well as HTPC market. I can imagine a lot of small servers carrying these (eg home NAS OEMs like QNAP). These won't make any sense for those looking for maximum performance. So if you want a lower power system for whatever reason, you can pick up these. It isn't that dissimilar to Intel's T-suffix lineup. They serve the same purpose. I can also see these be put into thin clients.

 

I also think these could have variable TDP depending on the firmware. I can imagine them having configurable TDP of 35-45W, if not a bigger range, in the laptop segment. 

[michaelocarroll007]

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

 

Cool. The naming scheme seems a tad bit more confusing than it probably should be but oh well. Mind you, I don't exactly know who was asking for a 35w Ryzen APU. Possibly for HTPC builds or SFF but otherwise it seems a tad silly.

 

Source:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12428/amd-readies-ryzen-3-2200ge-ryzen-5-2400ge-apus-with-reduced-tdp

Intel Nuc Tiny PC Competitor with much more power GPU wise

[Brooksie359]

20 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yup. The TDP headroom barely allows overclocking but AMD permits it.

I mean tdp is based on stock. The r7 1700 is much higher tdp that 65 when oced

[AlTech]

15 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I mean tdp is based on stock. The r7 1700 is much higher tdp that 65 when oced

No. TDP stays the same but power consumption doesn't.

[Fetzie]

20 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

I dont understand the point of these. As far as I can tell they are just underclocked variants with no other differences. So how does this prevent someone just saving some bucks and overclocking it to non-GE speeds? Maybe these chips are just bad binned ones that cant clock that high? 

I can see them being used for htpcs that are completely passively cooled without needing a cubic foot of radiator sitting on the cpu.

[onlybuilt4cubanxlinx]

Never dealt with multiple monitors with integrated graphics before, but how many monitors can one of these bad boys handle?

 

Would love to use one of these bad boys for a build and my friend wants to use 3 monitors.

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, onlybuilt4cubanxlinx said:

Never dealt with multiple monitors with integrated graphics before, but how many monitors can one of these bad boys handle?

 

Would love to use one of these bad boys for a build and my friend wants to use 3 monitors.

It should easily handle 3 monitors. The real question is whether it'll support 6 or not .

[Mr.Meerkat]

22 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

It should easily handle 3 monitors. The real question is whether it'll support 6 or not .

Well since the terascale 2 arch, AMD GPUs have supported upto 6 displays (maximum of 2 for non-DP and 6 for DP displays). 

I think the bigger issue is the number and/or types of display connectors on the motherboard and how many monitors you can daisy-chain (with DP). 

 

Edit: Bristol Ridge supported upto 4 displays. Raven ridge will probably support at least 4 displays while 6 displays isn't out of the question? 

[Brooksie359]

5 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

No. TDP stays the same but power consumption doesn't.

Ah tdp is thermal output if I remember correctly and that increases when you overclock. Hence why you need i higher tdp cooler to overclock. Maybe I am mixing something up here but I do believe tdp given to a gpu has no bearing once overclocked. 

[AlTech]

56 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Ah tdp is thermal output if I remember correctly and that increases when you overclock. Hence why you need i higher tdp cooler to overclock. Maybe I am mixing something up here but I do believe tdp given to a gpu has no bearing once overclocked. 

TDP is Thermal Design Power and is set by the Processor Manufacturer (Whether it be for a CPU or a GPU) . This cannot be changed in many cases unless the OEM allows it to be configured in a system's BIOS or unless a hardware revision of some sort changes it.

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

TDP is Thermal Design Power and is set by the Processor Manufacturer (Whether it be for a CPU or a GPU) . This cannot be changed in many cases unless the OEM allows it to be configured in a system's BIOS or unless a hardware revision of some sort changes it.

Like I said I am pretty sure tdp is a design spec and is only relevant if running at factory settings. If you overclock you are no longer running at factory settings and thus would have a higher tdp if you overclock. I mean the r7 1700 has a 65 watt tdp but will have around the same tdp as a r7 1800x if at the same voltage and clock speed. The main point I am trying to make is that the lower tdp of these chips would only effect the thermal output of the cpus at stock clocks. As soon as you start to overclock it becomes irrelevant and shouldn't really limit the overclocking potential unless they are binned or have limitations put on them.

[kokakolia]

I could see this in all-in-one PCs...and nowhere else.