YouTubes CEO says that logan pual doesnt deserve to be kicked from the platform

[flibberdipper]

1 minute ago, Computers_And_Tech_Is_Cool said:

I know it would be hard to implement across the platform, but it would be nice to evaluate the good potential vs bad potential: What good comes out of logan paul tazing a dead animal or showing a suicide as he did? Not much. What bad comes out of it? Quite possibly death for someone. Good << Bad. Cody shows how to make gunpowder from urine, what good comes out of it? Quite a bit of educational value. What bad comes out of doing that when there are much more straightforward and easier ways all over the place? Not much. Good >> Bad

The amount of Cody's Lab videos my class would watch in chemistry would really back up the education side of that argument.  

[jtmoseley]

8 hours ago, EG! said:

"They might complain about that, but we try our very best to be consistent across everybody"

I remember Pewdie's joke that had a bigger and way faster backlash than this, I don't like the Pauls or Pewdiepie, but this video was manually approved by someone at Youtube, there was no response from Youtube for days and it was Logan Paul who got the video offline not Youtube. I see what you all say here but disrespecting a dead man filming him and laughing with it for an audience of teens and children should be enough for a ban, because the line Youtube is drawing now is far beyond what Pewdiepie did with less of an effect on Logan Paul. Most of the money he makes is from sponsers anyway so demonitizing is not gonna harm him much so what kind of punishment is this?

They also added the punishment to be able to remove youtubers from the watch next, recommended, and other tabs. I.E. his videos will recieve less views. Logan gets most of his money off of his merch, so this is the biggest hit he can take.

[Blademaster91]

12 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

Man all I want is for YouTube to stop fucking innocent YouTubers over (such as Cody's Lab). Shit's getting fucking ridiculous.

I was going to mention Cody's Lab,he had to take down a bunch of videos because Youtube found it to be dangerous content or something,even though it was mostly things you can make at home. Sad that Youtube thinks Cody's educational science videos are worse than someone that showed a suicide and tazed animals.

[flibberdipper]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

I was going to mention Cody's Lab,he had to take down a bunch of videos because Youtube found it to be dangerous content or something,even though it was mostly things you can make at home. Sad that Youtube thinks Cody's educational science videos are worse than someone that showed a suicide and tazed animals.

Yep. Last week? on his secondary channel he explained why he hasn't uploaded in a while and the entire series of the urine to gunpowder videos got hit and he got another community strike.  

 

Throwback to old YouTube where I straight-up stole an IE9 advertisement, it got 100K+ views, and I didn't even get a slap on the wrist for it.

[Cole5]

Youtubes CEO is an idiot, News at 12

[Inkz]

14 hours ago, Sauron said:

They suspended his channel from monetization and recommendations, it's basically 90% of a ban. If it becomes permanent they might as well have banned him, because without the money and views there's no reason for him to stick around. He has been punished, don't you worry. For a permaban it makes sense that some criteria have to be met and he did not meet them. Making exceptions to the rules would be counterproductive in the long term. Maybe the rules need to be changed, but that takes time.

Major problem with this is that Logan doesn't make most of his money that way, he gets it from his merchandise. They temporarly suspend his ads all they want, he just keeps plugging his merch even harder claiming he needs it now more than ever. Like a guy who lives in a multi million dollar mansion desperately needs your help because mean old youtube is unfair to him. If they can find a way to get his views down great, but I keep seeing recommendations to watch his stuff too, they seem to keep flip flopping on completely renouncing him to making him the most promoted.

[You_are_a_cunt]

Honestly, which youtuber actually relies on ad revenue?

Most of them have something on the side, like merchandising, sponsorship deals and whatnot.

I think it was EEVBlog that showed he was making roughtly $47k AUD per year in ad revenue. That's not a lot of money to have a house, raise a kid, maintain a running electronics lab and actually have something leftover (he's constantly showing how his videos get demonetized for no reason on Twitter).

Ad revenue is, to put it in blunt terms, a joke.

 

As for Logan Paul not "deserving" to be kicked off the platform, I disagree, but we all know he's going to keep making retarded videos to appeal to 12 year-olds (pewdiepie, anyone?)

 

Cody's Lab is an unfortunate example of a YouTuber that actually brings something to the table and got hit by the SJW crowd with a huge stick.

[PocketNerd]

The problem is that people already get greater punishments for much less. So even though CEO likes to blab about consistency Youtube has none.

That said, as much as I dislike his content (and as far as I've seen, all of the content of those who try to emulate him) the easiest solution here would be to just stop watching his content or buying his merch. The dude is already taken off recommended and isn't getting ad revenue.

[mr moose]

I think youtube should go into tiers.   Tier 1 is open to everyone for ad monetization regardless of size or quality  this can be for all the generic stuff, how to's and blogs etc.  simply put the kibosh on political, religious and adult content (including swearing) in this tier.  Tier 2 for swearing and political, religious commentary, and tier 3 for everything else.  Advertises can pick which tier they want to advertise in but get no say over who's videos they are attached to.   IF youtuber's want ad revenue then they'll have to start writing content that appeals to advertisers. You know, like the rest of the world does.    No more adpocalypses or stupid automatic demonetization, the algorithms and bots can just move videos to the next teir and after human revue they can be moved back.  I also get to decide which tiers to avoid.

[captain_to_fire]

58 minutes ago, revsilverspine said:

Honestly, which youtuber actually relies on ad revenue?

Linus relies on ad revenue. They even got a video demonetized because of the title "Razer Blade" and they have to appeal to YouTube just to enable monetization back on that video.

59 minutes ago, revsilverspine said:

Honestly, which youtuber actually relies on ad revenue?

Most of them have something on the side, like merchandising, sponsorship deals and whatnot.

Because YouTube doesn't pay out that much. I think at the moment YouTube takes 45% of the ad revenues and that varies how much did the advertiser paid.

1 hour ago, revsilverspine said:

As for Logan Paul not "deserving" to be kicked off the platform, I disagree, but we all know he's going to keep making retarded videos to appeal to 12 year-olds (pewdiepie, anyone?)

Yes he will. His adsense suspension is just temporary and it might give him a significant reduction in income, the dipshit still makes shit ton of money from Spotify and iTunes royalties from his shitty songs and unemployed hipster teenagers living off dad's credit card extension are still buying his merch.

[EG!]

5 hours ago, revsilverspine said:

As for Logan Paul not "deserving" to be kicked off the platform, I disagree, but we all know he's going to keep making retarded videos to appeal to 12 year-olds (pewdiepie, anyone?)

Where is the line between retarded video's and actually damaging the 12 year olds. 

If I'd have kids I wouldn't care that they watch Pewdiepie his content is harmless, and I think his audience are way older than Logan Paul's audience anyway.

Logan Paul on the other hand, taking a living koi out of the water and "give it cpr", use a taser on dead rats, show and disrespect a dead man, fake your death for 12yo's, have no respect as a tourist.

Does anyone want their kids to look up to that and start acting like an asshole to everyone, disrespecting other cultures?

 

Sidenote I like the comparison between Pewdiepie and Logan Paul, Pewdiepie makes a joke with a site that does ANYTHING for £5 and how fast Youtube was to condemn and punish him. Logan Paul shows a dead body, laughs with it, some Youtube employee put it in trending and after a lot of complains Logan (not Youtube) takes the video down, there is no statement for a week or so and the punishment follows after a month. But I do think that freedom of speech may be used to laugh with things like this, I didn't see any harm in Pewdiepie's joke, it's been made so many times before him and there will be many jokes about it in the future. 

[Sauron]

10 hours ago, Inkz said:

Major problem with this is that Logan doesn't make most of his money that way, he gets it from his merchandise. They temporarly suspend his ads all they want, he just keeps plugging his merch even harder claiming he needs it now more than ever. Like a guy who lives in a multi million dollar mansion desperately needs your help because mean old youtube is unfair to him. If they can find a way to get his views down great, but I keep seeing recommendations to watch his stuff too, they seem to keep flip flopping on completely renouncing him to making him the most promoted.

Removing him from recommendations already significantly cuts into his views. They can't delete him from the internet, even if they banned him from youtube he'd just move to facebook or something else - but this does hurt his income and visibility. You should not be getting recommendations of his videos at all right now, maybe there's a bug in the system or they aren't quite doing what they said they would.

[straight_stewie]

On 2/13/2018 at 4:28 AM, TheBeastPC said:

How damn long has this controversy been going for about logan pual being banned from the platform? Well, I'd have to think that some punishment should have already been implied to logan pual, not taking it to the extent where it takes a really long time to make a decision about a punishement for logan pual. To be truely honest, I think a suspension from the platform in a given time frame would have been bettter as a punishment for logan pual, I guess it falls into the category of, "oh....I did something wrong (I made a mistake), I'll accept the suspension and I promise I wont do it again", that wouldve been a better scenario to put it. I mean, not all, but some YouTubers are really honest with their viewers and when they have done something wrong, they generally make an apologie to their viewers explaining what they had done and say sorry, but this has been going to long now to extend where I guess it isnt worth it going to my original point of making a simple punishment.

The problem is that this isn't just about Logan Paul.

The Logan Paul move sets a precedent for removing content based on popular opinion, which is the issue that Youtube needs to solve.

Youtube has also been making other types of content creators very mad. There are the plethora of firearms centric channels which are being demonetized left and right, even though they contain no violence. There is also atleast one channel (VetRanch) which is consistently being demonetized because it shows life saving surgeries on animals (which is the point of the channel). I can't think of a single advertiser that wouldn't want to be attached to VetRanch.

What the CEO is really saying is that they need to decide, right here and now, whether it's acceptable or not for youtube to be governed by what's trending on twitter.

[asus killer]

Youtube just cares about money

only reacted because of backlash

after the backlash they just want things to be as they were 

that's setting a good example

but on the other hand they are removing ad returns for small channels because that way they don't scare advertisement and can "avoid stuff like this"

stuff they don't want to remove or care to penalize 

 

get your story straight Youtube  Either you care or don't care, either there are rules or not

[SpriteNo5]

On 13/02/2018 at 3:20 PM, Eduard the weeb said:

he was a dick but this is getting SO boring can we talk about like anything else plz ?

Is, was and always shall be. Topic is boring now but I'd still get a little warm glow inside if YT did kick his channel, he's such an obnoxious git.

[Ryujin2003]

YouTube may be getting a petition from Change.org

I haven't seen it, but apparently his latest video includes animal abuse?

 

https://www.change.org/p/youtube-delete-logan-paul-s-youtube-channel

The signatures are going up super fast.v I'm sure this one will get sent. Not sure if it'll mean anything.

 

Quote

Logan Paul is at it again. His latest video features him torturing live fish and electrocuting dead rats for clicks and views. It’s way past time for Youtube to pull the plug on his sick antics.

Recently, I started a petition to get Youtube to delete Logan Paul’s channel because I didn’t think that his controversial video featuring the body of a suicide victim was cute or fun or edgy. I thought it was disgusting.

I wasn’t the only one. Public outcry forced Logan to apologize. Then, he decided to go on a temporary hiatus to “reflect” on his actions. But now he’s back on Youtube and has clearly learned nothing.

So far, over 550,000 others have signed my petition agreeing that Logan Paul is bad for Youtube. I hope you will join us by adding your name and demanding Logan Paul’s YouTube channel be removed.

We don’t believe that his fame should shield him from the consequences of bad behavior – which is what his ongoing presence on Youtube means for many.

Youtube responded to the animal torture video by temporarily cutting off Logan’s ad revenue from his channels. But this is not enough. And Youtube can no longer pretend that they don’t know how to address what he’s doing on their platform.

It’s time for Youtube to enforce their own community standards and send a message to those who would use their access to its platform in an irresponsible way.

It’s time to delete Logan Paul’s channel. If you agree with me, please sign and share this petition today.

Thank you,
Britni Hiatt

 

[Eaglerino]

1 hour ago, Ryujin2003 said:

YouTube may be getting a petition from Change.org

 

 

Because that's ever done anything in the history of the internet

[Ryujin2003]

6 hours ago, Eaglerino said:

Because that's ever done anything in the history of the internet

Don't think it normally does, but could be a way for Google to know people think they suck.

Do I expect change? No. Do I expect Logan to get hot by a bus?? Yes.

[Okjoek]

I agree. He should be demonetized for it, not be banned. 

[SpriteNo5]

21 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

I watch Cody's Lab and Sinvicta. Cody's channel almost got taken down. Vast majority of Sinvicta's videos get demonetized out the wazoo, to the extent that he has become satirical and expresses no hope/faith in Youtube.

 

We really need an alternative VoD platform soon, because Google/Youtube is clearly abusing their position and using youtubers' investment in the platform to swipe ad money.

The pressure is coming from the advertisers, Google wouldn't give a crap if advertisers weren't pulling funding. A new platform, may solve some issues people have with Google specifically, but it would still have the same pressure from advertisers. The horse has bolted, advertisers are now thoroughly paying attention to what their products are linked to.

 

The only option for content creators whose content is flagged is alternative funding, sponsorships, merch, patreon etc. This is already happening.