28cu Raven Ridge APU appears on SiSoft

[Princess Luna]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

If Intel CPU's didn't have iGPU's they could not support the HVEC playback and DRM that sevices like netflix uses.

Obviously a DRM is no justification here as if they did have this feature to offer the unlocked SKUs with a core in the place of the iGPU the coding for the DRM can be reassigned any where you want, could even be through the motherboard chipset for what is worth it.

 

This is not a true issue one bit.

 

The true reason why they never done it and will never do it is simply to keep the silicon batches completely standardize to reduce costs... every thing is equal and as we know what makes a chip a g4560 or an i7 8700k is simply the silicon purity that allows desirable core count and frequency to be achieved perfectly stable.

[AlTech]

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

If Intel CPU's didn't have iGPU's they could not support the HVEC playback and DRM that sevices like netflix uses.

^^^ This.

 

That's the only reason why X299 CPUs don't support HEVC

[Bit_Guardian]

56 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I suppose so... well help people to drop Intel HD Graphics is always a good thing... I wish the i7 8700 didn't have that useless iGPU and gave us 7c/14t instead for the lulz.

 

I still tend to go more to a g4560 + 1050 ti route or such... used hardware deals and all before ever considering an APU... maybe they are just not very popular here in Brazil...

 

It's far from useless. For non-gamers (all I play is Diablo 2 and Guild Wars 2 on occasion), it's a great productivity solution. And I can leverage that iGPU for OpenCL 2.1 and Vulkan programming. A dGPU is pointless for a large number of users. The 8700K is not.

[Bit_Guardian]

5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Obviously a DRM is no justification here as if they did have this feature to offer the unlocked SKUs with a core in the place of the iGPU the coding for the DRM can be reassigned any where you want, could even be through the motherboard chipset for what is worth it.

 

This is not a true issue one bit.

 

The true reason why they never done it and will never do it is simply to keep the silicon batches completely standardize to reduce costs... every thing is equal and as we know what makes a chip a g4560 or an i7 8700k is simply the silicon purity that allows desirable core count and frequency to be achieved perfectly stable.

Actually you can't according to the security requirements. Unlike your standard streaming, this data in encrypted. The moment it truly exists in RAM, you have an issue. As long as the data is only ever decrypted in the iGPU cache, it's practically impossible to steal.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Bit_Guardian said:

l.

You failed to understand my point, thing is this was done as this because every Intel mainstream CPU has the iGPU, should it be different reality as hypothetically stated say the unlocked ones didn't have iGPU the DRM reality would also be different to accommodate it, you can't say something A doesn't exist because of B if B exists because A doesn't exist.

 

Point is, should the idea ever actually come true that is not going to be an issue because adaptation would occur, it only works as it does today because of how things are.

[Trixanity]

9 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

You failed to understand my point, thing is this was done as this because every Intel mainstream CPU has the iGPU, should it be different reality as hypothetically stated say the unlocked ones didn't have iGPU the DRM reality would also be different to accommodate it, you can't say something A doesn't exist because of B if B exists because A doesn't exist.

 

Point is, should the idea ever actually come true that is not going to be an issue because adaptation would occur, it only works as it does today because of how things are.

Not really. You can't run it on a 2600K for instance. 

It needs to be built-in one way or another. It isn't even the GPU itself doing the work but a dedicated hardware block but you still need the display block too so that's moot. 

 

If Intel didn't have a GPU, they'd just be forced to make one or go with a third party such as Nvidia. DRM is serious business. The requirements are getting stricter and stricter. You can't just claim the requirements have increased because Intel has an integrated GPU making it somehow convenient to enforce. Intel has had to alter parts of the chain to be compliant.

This would have happened - GPU or no.

 

 

[Dabombinable]

47 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

It's like pairing an RX 580 with 10% more CUs with a Pentium or an i3 .

*Dual core Pentium or ULV i3.

[Silentprototipe]

Please tell me this is the desktop APU's. I want to continue the spirit of my build in Raven Ridge glory. I need an upgrade to my A6 3650 badly  

[Bit_Guardian]

22 minutes ago, silentprototipe said:

Please tell me this is the desktop APU's. I want to continue the spirit of my build in Raven Ridge glory. I need an upgrade to my A6 3650 badly  

I'm thinking it's the custom silicon for Intel to use in the iMacs and elsewhere.

[Nicnac]

3 hours ago, Space Reptile said:

core count and cu count match a RX470 , so if this goes into a 4c apu it would be a gtx1050ti/rx470D and a Ryzen 1200 in a single chip , something id very much welcome for a tiny tiny gaming build 

Holy shit that'd be awesome! Also would make for a super small LAN rig  Then I'd only have to carry my monitor around basically  

[RagnarokDel]

28 CU is borderline an rx 570 depending on clockspeed (if it's on 12nm for example)

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Space Reptile said:

core count and cu count match a RX470 , so if this goes into a 4c apu it would be a gtx1050ti/rx470D and a Ryzen 1200 in a single chip , something id very much welcome for a tiny tiny gaming build 

Now if they were to do this on a nano-itx sized board, I could fulfill my GameCube build desires! (That or an Intel core w/ AMD graphics on a nuc board if it had enough CUs...)

[Space Reptile]

16 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Could this be the gpu in the intel/amd emib joint venture? 

it might be , if thats true thats good news as its insanely powerful for a netbook solution 

[Doobeedoo]

21 hours ago, cj09beira said:

ya the xbox is more powerful than a full rx 580

Scorpio gpu is 2569 shaders, which is more than the RX 580’s equivalent 2304, but the RX 580 has a higher 1257MHz core clock, and tops the console’s 1172MHz speed.

 

So they just icreased CUs to compensate for lower clocks, due to power, heat,  whatever. 

[Trixanity]

1 hour ago, Doobeedoo said:

Scorpio gpu is 2569 shaders, which is more than the RX 580’s equivalent 2304, but the RX 580 has a higher 1257MHz core clock, and tops the console’s 1172MHz speed.

 

So they just icreased CUs to compensate for lower clocks, due to power, heat,  whatever. 

Not really comparable. Different form factor and the Scorpio GPU is custom. It isn't a 1:1 Polaris or a 1:1 Vega. It uses a mix of both with some tweaks.

[Doobeedoo]

13 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Not really comparable. Different form factor and the Scorpio GPU is custom. It isn't a 1:1 Polaris or a 1:1 Vega. It uses a mix of both with some tweaks.

I know. Just wanted to point out that it's not just like RX 580 with more shaders only, but also lower clock speeds as well.

[Curufinwe_wins]

23 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

^^^ This.

 

That's the only reason why X299 CPUs don't support HEVC

Technically that statement is incorrect.

 

X99 and x299 processors all fully support hevc. With software encoding/decoding. It's inefficient, it's inelegant, but it does work (my entire media collection is HVEC for space reasons). But no, it doesn't offer the proper hardware drm support for things like 4k Netflix etc.

[Guest]

On 12/12/2017 at 6:08 AM, Princess Cadence said:

I don't know why but APUs don't excite me one bit.

Any AMD product excites anyone. Especially the AMD Athlon.

[Doobeedoo]

On 12/11/2017 at 8:34 PM, themaniac said:

#!

[DanielMDA]

On 11/12/2017 at 1:10 PM, Space Reptile said:

500$ super sff itx current gen console killer / replacement / alternative 

 

It still doesnt match the One X...