Apple fires iPhone X engineer after daughter’s hands-on video goes viral

[ARikozuM]

4 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Yeah, how dare a company be allowed to fire someone for breaking NDA.

 

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Yeah, why should Kodak be allowed to fire a guy for giving Polaroid trade secrets...

[Yoinkerman]

6 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Yeah, how dare a company be allowed to fire someone for breaking NDA.

 

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Did they cause tangible damages?

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, Yoinkerman said:

Did they cause tangible damages?

what does that have to do with this? legal issues of breach of contracts do not need tangible damages.  also apple can argue the video could effect sales.

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

Did they cause tangible damages?

Depends what your definition of "tangible" is. If you're talking about projects underway, yes.

[Yoinkerman]

1 minute ago, The Benjamins said:

what does that have to do with this? legal issues of breach of contracts do not need tangible damages.  also apple can argue the video could effect sales.

If all there is is breech of contract with no business impact, then firing someone over it is weak.

 

Send him to code of conduct training

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

If all there is is breech of contract with no business impact, then firing someone over it is weak.

 

Send him to code of conduct training

So leaking it 1 day before release is okay, but a six months before isn't. So at what point does it become okay to leak something? All major companies (US or not) have a strict NDA policy. 

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, Yoinkerman said:

If all there is is breech of contract with no business impact, then firing someone over it is weak.

 

Send him to code of conduct training

The NDA probably outline recourse if breached, being fired could of been the light punishment.

[Yoinkerman]

3 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

So leaking it 1 day before release is okay, but a six months before isn't. So at what point does it become okay to leak something? All major companies (US or not) have a strict NDA policy. 

Isn't worth firing someone over imo, its just a phone and the video sucks anyway

[79wjd]

9 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

Isn't worth firing someone over imo, its just a phone and the video sucks anyway

Maybe he shouldn't have allowed his daughter to leak confidential information all over the internet. It's not Apple's fault that he fucked up.

 

Personal responsibility is a wonderful thing. 

[The Benjamins]

16 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

Isn't worth firing someone over imo, its just a phone and the video sucks anyway

it might be a phone to you but its apple 10's of billions of dollar product, it is the single product that has pushed apple to its highest point in history. everything about that phone is a big deal to apple.

[Dylanc1500]

4 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

Isn't worth firing someone over imo, its just a phone and the video sucks anyway

Yes, it is just a phone. Though that phone has a possibility of generating over $1billion. It was more than just the phone being recorded though. He broke a line of trust by breaking an agreement by allowing his daughter to record sensitive information. If I talk about current projects that I have at work, I will lose my job and any chance at working at similar employers or any other companies that I may have broken contracts in the process as well . I am not even allowed to talk about what clientele we have. I can mention companies we partner with and work with, but any information we have from those companies are under heavy contracts (we are talking books worth). 

 

The biggest issue comes down to trust.

 

Just food for though from someone that is on that side of the pond.

[Yoinkerman]

17 minutes ago, Dylanc1500 said:

Yes, it is just a phone. Though that phone has a possibility of generating over $1billion. It was more than just the phone being recorded though. He broke a line of trust by breaking an agreement by allowing his daughter to record sensitive information. If I talk about current projects that I have at work, I will lose my job and any chance at working at similar employers or any other companies that I may have broken contracts in the process as well . I am not even allowed to talk about what clientele we have. I can mention companies we partner with and work with, but any information we have from those companies are under heavy contracts (we are talking books worth). 

 

The biggest issue comes down to trust.

 

Just food for though from someone that is on that side of the pond.

Yeah, I get it.  I deal with the public being hit by trains.  Appropriate disclosure isn't a new concept.

 

Think of it this way, youtuber breaks nda, gets stern warning, maybe.

 

This dude breaks nda in a similar way, everyone encourages Apple to make it so he never works again?  

 

"Well he broke the rules"  o no

 

[Dylanc1500]

18 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

Yeah, I get it.  I deal with the public being hit by trains.  Appropriate disclosure isn't a new concept.

 

Think of it this way, youtuber breaks nda, gets stern warning, maybe.

 

This dude breaks nda in a similar way, everyone encourages Apple to make it so he never works again?  

 

"Well he broke the rules"  o no

 

Most companies have a zero tolerance policy on information that is key to their business. Which in apples case it would be.

 

We we don't fully know what his aggrement to disclosure was and stipulations on that information. It's almost guarunteed that he signed a employment contract that went over all of that and not just a simple "don't break the rules".  Like I said, for me, if I did similar I would be gone. Every company I have come into contact with has similar policies and make them fully aware of those policies.

[spartaman64]

im not sure if i entirely blame her if her dad didnt tell her not to film and stuff. to us who are familiar with NDAs and this kind of stuff its a no brainer but to someone who has no clue it might not be intuitive 

[Zodiark1593]

On 10/31/2017 at 9:51 AM, The Benjamins said:

The NDA probably outline recourse if breached, being fired could of been the light punishment.

Being fired and dealing with a big lawsuit would not be fun even for (formerly) highly paid engineers, as said lawsuit would probably wipe out that rainy day nest egg.

[RexinOridle]

She Isn't a 8 year old daughter who mad a mistake. She is someone old enough and got pregnant. Poor judgement. Morons.

[Sauron]

On 31/10/2017 at 5:46 PM, Yoinkerman said:

If all there is is breech of contract with no business impact, then firing someone over it is weak.

 

Send him to code of conduct training

Uhm... that's not how contracts work. If you don't respect the contract you signed, you lose all rights it used to grant you. Depending on how bad the screw up is the company may be lenient, but breaking an NDA is one of the more serious offences.

[Egg-Roll]

On 11/3/2017 at 1:26 AM, spartaman64 said:

im not sure if i entirely blame her if her dad didnt tell her not to film and stuff.

She's old enough to know what a secret is, there is literally no excuse for what she did. While i didn't see the video based on everything read she's an idiot. If someone told me not to disclose or that this product is not out yet, or ffs that i know they worked in the sector where designing new stuff was a thing i wouldn't dare announce that onto youtube.

 

Besides who wants to work at apple for life, maybe he'll get a better job, AWAY from her. Tho imo the parents failed at being parents esp if a 20+ year old can make you lose your job.

 

This is her father's schadenfreude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RZSiAp2aew

 

Seriously tho, Apple permitted this person this camera in their place? (1:16) Esp knowing he would of had a X?