Upgrade to 8600K or buy a used 4790K

[Ardy]

I need advice guys, i have a Z97 mobo but with a locked i5 that i bought 2 years ago. Only thing i do with my pc is game. Now that coffee lake is out i was thinking to upgrade to a 8600k but is it worth it? Or should i just get a 4790K?

I mainly play battlefield 1 which is cpu hungry, right now my 1070 is being bottlenecked quite a lot by the i5-4590.

[ARikozuM]

4790K, though the price has always been higher than it should. 

[stealth80]

depends on budget really, there will be a noticeable improvement, but the cost of 8600k will also need a board and new ram. If only gaming id be tempted to get the 4790k and a good cooler. Maybe wait on the upgrade a little longer

[WereCat]

Honestly, just go with 4790k.

You would have to spend a lot more money for new MoBo, RAM, and CPU (not to mention that 8600k are unavailable almost everywhere).

Unless you don't need the new features...

[Ardy]

Just now, stealth80 said:

depends on budget really, there will be a noticeable improvement, but the cost of 8600k will also need a board and new ram. If only gaming id be tempted to get the 4790k and a good cooler. Maybe wait on the upgrade a little longer

The budget is not really a problem, ofc i'd like to spend less. I already have the 100i v2 AIO. I don't if the performance difference is big enough to upgrade to Z370 since ram prices right now are insane.

[Vroooom]

8600K is a bit faster when CPU bound. I guess it depends on the difference in cost between the used CPU and a new CPU + Mobo + ram. I'd go 4790K upgrade unless you already have a 1080 Ti

[Zodiark1593]

The cpu upgrade alone would be fine. If you needed RAM too, then going to a new platform would be the suggestion.

[Ardy]

Just now, Vroooom said:

8600K is a bit faster when CPU bound. I guess it depends on the difference in cost between the used CPU and a new CPU + Mobo + ram. I'd go 4790K upgrade unless you already have a 1080 Ti

No i'm good with the 1070 for now tbh. Switching to Z370 would cost me around 650 CHF (670USD)

1 minute ago, Alexsolo said:

I'd go with the 4790K, how much is it going to cost you?

I'm looking right now and i found a new one for 250. But it should cost me less then switching to Z370 for sure.

[Ardy]

2 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

The cpu upgrade alone would be fine. If you needed RAM too, then going to a new platform would be the suggestion.

I already have 16GB of 1866hz ram. Nothing compared to DDR4 but it gets the job done.

[Max_Settings]

9 minutes ago, Ardy said:

No i'm good with the 1070 for now tbh. Switching to Z370 would cost me around 650 CHF (670USD)

I'm looking right now and i found a new one for 250. But it should cost me less then switching to Z370 for sure.

4790K runs $300+ now for what I've seen.

[Ardy]

Just now, Alexsolo said:

Check your local classifieds! And remember, selling your current CPU will get you a bit of the money back.

 

What's the rest of your current build?

1070 FTW, 16GB RAM, H100iv2, 2 Samsung SSD's each of 250GB, MSI z97-G45, EVGA 550GS PSU.

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Ardy said:

1070 FTW, 16GB RAM, H100iv2, 2 Samsung SSD's each of 250GB, MSI z97-G45, EVGA 550GS PSU.

the i7-4790k would be enough to drive the GTX 1070 by all means, so taking into account this is probably the cheapest route for you, go with it.

[Ardy]

Just now, Alexsolo said:

You're good for a long time with that setup bud, seriously suggest the 4790K

 

You convinced me i'll go with the 4790K until the next genreation of intel cpu's. Thank you

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

the i7-4790k would be enough to drive the GTX 1070 by all means, so taking into account this is probably the cheapest route for you, go with it.

Looking right now for some deals. Thanks to all of you guys

[xc3ll]

I upgraded from an 4690 to the 4790K. Since my 4790K runs at 4.5Ghz, it is noticeable faster, but not as much as I hoped. Hyperthreading really doesn't help that much in most games, so expect an 10-15% improvement in CPU-limited games.

 

So for me it would come down on upgrade-cost. If you can sell your i5 and upgrade to the 4790K for around 100$, do it. If you can sell your whole platform and upgrade to the 8600K for 250$ or less, then I would go for coffee lake!

[Ardy]

Just now, xc3ll said:

I upgraded from an 4690 to the 4790K. Since my 4790K runs at 4.5Ghz, it is noticeable faster, but not as much as I hoped. Hyperthreading really doesn't help that much in most games, so expect an 10-15% improvement in CPU-limited games.

 

So for me it would come down on upgrade-cost. If you can sell your i5 and upgrade to the 4790K for around 100$, do it. If you can sell your whole platform and upgrade to the 8600K for 250$ or less, then I would go for coffee lake!

The problem is that my i5 is the 4590, not even unlocked. It's hugely impacting my performance in games, especially cpu intensive games like BF1 which is the game i play the most. I don't know how much of an improvement is the 8600K over the 4790K and if it's worth the 670 USD upgrade for me.

[xc3ll]

12 minutes ago, Ardy said:

The problem is that my i5 is the 4590, not even unlocked. It's hugely impacting my performance in games, especially cpu intensive games like BF1 which is the game i play the most. I don't know how much of an improvement is the 8600K over the 4790K and if it's worth the 670 USD upgrade for me.

Okay, lets look at this from an economical perspective:

1. Search on ebay, what your current mainboard+cpu+ram is worth. In parts or as a combo, whichever brings more. Then you know the absolute cost of the coffee-lake-upgrade.

2. Look what your cpu is worth and how much you'd pay for the used 4790K.

 

Also consider, that you can overclock the 4790k, if (and only if!) you have a really beefy cooler. This thing runs alot hotter than your 4590 even with stock clocks. To give you an idea:

My i5-4690 @ 3.9Ghz on all cores: 60-65C in games

i7-4790K @ 4Ghz (stock) on all cores: 85-91C in games

 

So I later upgraded cooling and delidded it to get 4.5Ghz @1.28V

 

[Input_Name_Here]

3 hours ago, Ardy said:

I need advice guys, i have a Z97 mobo but with a locked i5 that i bought 2 years ago. Only thing i do with my pc is game. Now that coffee lake is out i was thinking to upgrade to a 8600k but is it worth it? Or should i just get a 4790K?

I mainly play battlefield 1 which is cpu hungry, right now my 1070 is being bottlenecked quite a lot by the i5-4590.

i7-8700k has 6 cores and awesome single core performance. Think of it as a long-term investment into a new platform and processor that will last you a long time. 

However, if you are just gaming then a low priced i7-4790k would do the job very well, even better when overclocked, for a year or two. This depends on how fast things move now that AMD is beginning to take pieces of pie away from Intel in the HEDT market.

[IAR117]

All I'm gonna say is that with my 4790 (non k) and 1070, I can easily achieve 130fps+ with high settings on most games. Would recommend, but they're quite thirsty on power compared to newer CPUs obviously

[Vegetable]

My 4790k is at 4.6Ghz right now and it flies. Completely held back by my R9 Fury, could have WAY higher fps with a better GPU. I'd say a 4790k wouldn't even bottleneck a 1080 ti in any way (provided it's overclocked.)

[Zodiark1593]

7 hours ago, xc3ll said:

Okay, lets look at this from an economical perspective:

1. Search on ebay, what your current mainboard+cpu+ram is worth. In parts or as a combo, whichever brings more. Then you know the absolute cost of the coffee-lake-upgrade.

2. Look what your cpu is worth and how much you'd pay for the used 4790K.

 

Also consider, that you can overclock the 4790k, if (and only if!) you have a really beefy cooler. This thing runs alot hotter than your 4590 even with stock clocks. To give you an idea:

My i5-4690 @ 3.9Ghz on all cores: 60-65C in games

i7-4790K @ 4Ghz (stock) on all cores: 85-91C in games

 

So I later upgraded cooling and delidded it to get 4.5Ghz @1.28V

 

Even without a board capable of overclocking, many locked board support some means of forcing maximum turbo clocks on all cores, in the case of the 4790K, that will be 4.4 GHz across all cores.

 

Of course, OP has a Z board, so this is moot I suppose.

[asand1]

12 hours ago, Ardy said:

I'm looking right now and i found a new one for 250. But it should cost me less then switching to Z370 for sure.

I would strongly suggest used from a good ebay seller. Look for 99+ feedback and 1000s of sales. There is NO reason to buy that old of a CPU at new prices. I have personally bought six different CPUs from ebay with nothing but good results.

[Simon771]

Depends how much i7 4790k costs.

Will you buy used one? There are still few vendors that acctually sell brand new 4790k CPUs for some reason lol

Try to get some nice deal for about 250$, and just go with 4790k.

If you want to go 8600k, you would need to buy new motherboard and RAM also.

8600k is about 20% better than 4790k overall. Now it just depends if you are willing to spend a lot more on new platform for those 20%.

 

Then again I had horrible experiences with my 4790k CPU  

[LinusTech]

The real trick with used stuff is to find the hardware that has already depreciated a lot of what it will depreciate in the next year or two.

 

So then you buy it use it for the next little while flip it for maybe 70 to 80% of what you paid and effectively you got to use it for next to nothing and you can put what you gain back towards something a little newer but that's depreciated from being brand new as well.

[xc3ll]

On 18.10.2017 at 9:34 AM, LinusTech said:

The real trick with used stuff is to find the hardware that has already depreciated a lot of what it will depreciate in the next year or two.

 

So then you buy it use it for the next little while flip it for maybe 70 to 80% of what you paid and effectively you got to use it for next to nothing and you can put what you gain back towards something a little newer but that's depreciated from being brand new as well.

That are words I was living by a long time. But the current market for used components is just crazy.

 

@LinusTech Don't know, if you read this, but the current Scrapyard-wars is great, since it incorporates SELLING of components. Over the last year I tried to build a secondary budget system and with clever selling/buying I ended up with an i5-2500 + GTX 780 + 1080P IPS for less than 175$. I would love to share how to do something like this, but don't know how to explain this to the masses